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Patrick,
    I've been to Der Ronde.  Did the Wielertouristen the day before as well.  

    It's nice to have at least the Friday before to shake out the legs and pick up your number.  I did the final 50k of the route the day before, and lots of people were out doing the same.  

    I did Sunday to Monday--flew out after a Spring Series race in Brooklyn, got to Brussels Monday morning, stayed outside of Brugge at a B&B until Thursday catching a stage of De Panne and racing a kermesse, went to Ghent Friday, did the Wielertouristen Saturday, the Ronde Sunday and flew home Monday morning.  

    One of the good news/bad news things is that Flanders is so amendable to bicycles that they typically charge to bring an unboxed bike on the train--every train station and most bus stops are littered with bikes.  

    Another good news/bad news thing is that it seemed everyone between the age of 18 and 50 spoke English.  I tried Flemish, but I so mangled the words more than one person assumed I was German.

    When I did the Wielertouristen, it was both more low-key and more serious than I expected.  We did the now old route, from Brugge to Ninove, one giant loop.  There wasn't a hard start at 7am, which I was expecting.  It was just you roll up and go.  Clubs that brought a certain minimum of people could get a team car on the course.  The rest areas were mandatory, so it felt like it was ruining the rhythm--it also probably contributed the standstill I experienced on the Koppenberg, which was something like 5k after a rest stop.  I did the long route, which meant we passed all the shorter route starts--and shortly after I passed each of those there'd be a ton of people on the route.  

   As the Manneken Pis might suggest, public urination is a thing in Belgium, something the organizers were trying to stop.  Don't know if it made a difference.  

    I'm sure there's plenty more.  
This year the UCI is holding track and road worlds at the same time in the same area, Glasgow, Aug 3-9th ish. I’ve never been to Scotland and I’m thinking about going with my partner.
@PatrickGrehan, I'm going to see if I can sneak away and join you. This might be my only chance to see racing in Belgium, and it would be great to spend that time with some old Kissena buddies. I do have a Belgian friend now living in Holland (Utrecht), who I can reach out to for advice. I might even be able to coax him to spend the race day with us as a guide/helper. Let me see what I can do, and let's keep in touch.
@Nathaniel Miller that would be awesome. Hope you can join us
@PatrickGrehan I'm likely in for Flanders.  Which route are you planning on doing?

Also, I'm considering staying through Roubaix if that would tickle anyone's fancy.
@PatrickGrehan
I am considering the trip too, altho it hits against some important work dates, hoping we are not considering the 249km route  :#
eloy said:
@PatrickGrehan
I am considering the trip too, altho it hits against some important work dates, hoping we are not considering the 249km route  :#
If you're going all the way to Flanders, you've got to go the whole distance, no matter what.  

On the plus side, Flanders is largely flat, and you can always find a group to ride in.
@GregHoge @eloy Most likely going to do the 144K route. Will message you in slack. Been busy and will share details tonight or tomorrow 



To the Flanders and Roubaix 2023 people,

One of my acquaintances rode the Paris-Roubaix cyclosportif in 2019.  He's a writer and junkie for bike history, so he did it on a Team Brooklyn Gios from the 1970s, and combo original and replica team kit.  He also went to Flanders and onto the Netherlands for what seems like our kind of vacation.

He gave a blow-by-blow here:  https://fortyfour16.wordpress.com/my-saturday-in-hell/

One of the things I picked up from his account is that surprises can be rough.  He wore a period-correct wrist watch that ended up bloodying his wrist.

 
In a stroke of coincidence, I received an email today from the Paris-Roubaix Challenge


From: Liège-Bastogne-Liège Challenge <noreplies@mailing.golazo.com>
Subject: Paris-Roubaix Challenge and LBL Challenge, 2 epic classics!
Date: February 21, 2023 at 5:45:28 AM EST
To: mugwump partland.net <mugwump@partland.net>
Resent-From: <mugwump@partland.net>

Dear fan of cycling,

 

The days are getting longer, the racing bike gets taken out of the shed occasionally and spring 2023 is ready to spring. Are you still looking for a real challenge? Let us present two absolute classics. Bucket list: check ✅ double check ✅✅
 
Saturday 22 April: Liège-Bastogne-Liège Challenge

 

LBL. La Doyenne. Nestor. Mother of monuments. Just a few nicknames for Liège-Bastogne-Liège; the toughest, but also most beautiful cycling tour of the year according to many cyclists. On Saturday 22 April, you too can conquer the infamous, famous and feared hills of Liège-Bastogne-Liège.
Starting and finishing in Banneux (Sprimont), you will conquer famous hills such as Côte de Saint-Roch, Côte de Wanne and Côte de Stockeu along the way. The cherry on the cake is undoubtedly the Côte de la Redoute. There is something for everyone with 81 km, 155 km and the ultimate 255 km.
DISCOVER THE COURSE 
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Sports nutrition partner 6d Sport Nutrition will be offering plenty of ‘power food’.
Saturday 8 April: Paris-Roubaix Challenge

 

Have you always wanted to finish a bike ride in the fabulous velodrome of Roubaix?
Then come ride the queen of the classics on Saturday 8 April and take control of the race. Nothing beats the feeling of darting over the cobblestones in the Hell of the North.
There are 3 different distances to choose from:
  • 70 km - 8 cobbled sections: Start from the Parc des Sports in Roubaix between 9am and 11am.
  • 145 km - 19 cobbled sections: Start from the Parc des Sports in Roubaix between 7am and 8:30am.
  •  170 km - 30 cobbled sections: Start in Busigny between 7am and 7:30am (do not forget to take the optional shuttle service to Busigny from Roubaix on Saturday morning).
A word of advice: be quick as registrations are limited. Moreover, you will enjoy adiscounted rate until 16 March!
MORE INFO
REGISTRATION
Whatever classic you ride, we guarantee you a great day on your bike!

 

Sporting regards,

 

Organisation PRC & LBLC
So, took my bike on the family vaction out to Santa Cruz (Soquel, actually was my base).  My brother lives on a mountain road in a redwood forest.  Though he's not a bike rider, he seems to have a thing for homes in hills.  His driveway pitches up to over 10% and his driveway is on a switchback of a steep hill that goes to about 10% then 15% one way--it's at least a half-mile climb to go that way.  

Here's what the hill looks like from one way.



 

Give that woman credit.  She's climbing in hiking shoes and flat pedals.  Obviously, I like her because she's climbing on the drops.



The first day was 54 miles and 4452' of climbing.  It was a route my friend Basil showed me last time I was in SC.  The highlight was an eight-mile climb.  And htis year, it was dry.  What I didn't expect was that my front brake bolt was stripped and thus not secure against the frame. More concerning was the sign stating the road was closed three miles up.  A person at the deli at the foot said she thought it was open.  That was enough for me.    I ended up detaching the brake cable completely for the ride up the climb.  And for the slower descent thereafter.
https://www.strava.com/activities/10454610657

Not really rough, but they are also putting up the signs before genuinely rough roads.

The ocean is beyhond that next ridge.

The thing with roads in teh redwood forests around here is that they are not only narrow, with the trees pretty much coming to the road edge, but often falling off because of rains and shifting ground.  


The second ride was my return to the Bonny Doon Climb.  47 miles, 4649' of climbing.  Another long, slow drag through a redwood forest.  It's so dark there are signs telling cars to turn on their headlights during the day.  When I last hit it, i rode through a downpour.  It was overcast but dry.  I had hoped to hit the summit, descend to the coast, then turn left, reclimb much of the elevation I lost before hitting another road to take me to town.  Strangely, or not, Strava's map didn't mention that the road I was intending to climb was private and fenced off.  the next left turn was seven miles away, at the Santa Cruz line.  
https://www.strava.com/activities/10454610589

This is highway 1 looking south from Davenport towards Santa Cruz.  Yes, a highway, but pretty quiet overall.


The next ride was one I took from the Santa Cruz County Cycling Club. They have a library of rides you can download.  This was recommended to me.  But I was intending to finish in Santa Cruz and meet up with my family for a movie.  40 miles, 3645' of climbing.  It had rained in teh morning, but the sun was peeking when I left to ride.  It was dry until I hit the big climb of the day, Mt. Charlie, where it was misting and spitting a bit.  Warm enough to be in short sleeves.  Over the top, it started drizzling.  Which wasn't auspicious as the descent was in another forest, with slimy roads and leaves still falling.  Put my vest on, did some quality brake pad grinding and all was good--there was a small village in the middle of the descent which felt like something otu of Apocalypse now; christmas lights lighting up a damp, dark outpost.  My family accidentally left my clothes behind, so I skipped the movie--SC is cold enough that sitting in a movie theatre in soggy cycling clothes seemed like a bad idea.

https://www.strava.com/activities/10454610637

The view from nearly the top.



My last ride, which I had hoped was my second-to-last, was 100% in a drizzle.  I just went down to town and wandered around, looking for the destruction the rough surf had wrought.  I ended up hearing "JP Partland, what the fuck are you doing here?" and turned around to find fellow New Yorker Brian Coburn right behind me.  Turns out, he was staying in Watsonville and and was finising up the ride I did on Sunday--and woefully underdressed to do the long descent he just came off. 

There are a number of steep dead-end climbs off my brother's street as well as a steep, switchbacked 2mi climb to the highway.  I wanted to explore.  I hit one, but put off doing more, thinking I'd do it Sunday.  But Sunday started wet, and it's so damp there, I was afraid my gear wouldn't dry by 5pm hwen I had to pack my bag to go, so I skipped the ride.

https://www.strava.com/activities/10481259946


There's a valley in there somewhere.


Mugging in downtown Capitola.  He immediately sent the image to one of our mutual friends.




I was also traveling to California over the holidays with my bike , my rides weren't quiet as epic ,
But i was using the Orucase and was flying jet blue , on the way out the lady told me at bag drop that i had to go the " pay here " desk , i asked why, she said , Its a bike ? , i said No ,its a massage table ," OK,then , no charge .
This also worked on the return trip , Those masseuse get all the perks :)

I was also traveling to California over the holidays with my bike , my rides weren't quiet as epic ,
But i was using the Orucase and was flying jet blue , on the way out the lady told me at bag drop that i had to go the " pay here " desk , i asked why, she said , Its a bike ? , i said No ,its a massage table ," OK,then , no charge .
This also worked on the return trip , Those masseuse get all the perks :)

I did that, too, both ways. Just got charged the regular bag rate.  My daughter was surprised I lied.  I explained that some airlines charge $200 for a bike while massage tables fly free and that it was unfair as they took up the same space and bikes probably weighed less.  I told her I doubted they'd charge me that much, but I wasn't going to take the chance.  

FWIW, I use a Gavilan BFF, which is similar to the Orucase.  The people behind both were teammates on the regional pro Champ-Sys squad, and super-thrifty.
@Mark Taylor she didn't check you knew which muscles attach to the corocoid process?

(ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FreqvkpLkZc)
@Mark Taylor she didn't check you knew which muscles attach to the corocoid process?


No , she just looked down at the birkenstocks
JP love the travelog - hope you got your front brake sorted!

Do airlines charge that much for bikes because of insurance/liability? But even then, $200 seems unreasonable.
JP love the travelog - hope you got your front brake sorted!

Do airlines charge that much for bikes because of insurance/liability? But even then, $200 seems unreasonable.
First, the front brake, yes.  I went to what appeared to be a long-standing bike shop in downtown Santa Cruz, the Spokesman, and they let me sort through brake bits as their mechanics were out.  I think they charged me $1 for what appeared to be a chromed steel bolt at about the length I wanted.  It is working fine--the next rides really needed the front brake.  

As for the airlines, $200 is now rare, though it was sort of expected with Delta and a few other carriers a decade ago (when it was even more expensive).  I forget when Delta dropped the fee, but it was a big deal.  Lucky for me Delta had the most flights to Memphis, which is were my in-laws are, so I generally pulled the 'masage table' excuse, save for the times Competitive Cyclist gave me a bike bag to fly out with, and then another one to fly home with.  Then, I told them it was a bike and, yes, paid the $200.

Here's a web page with what purports to be the fees for lots of airlines, not only in the US

https://www.seektravelride.com/airline-luggage-requirements/