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Tour of the Dragons (Dragon Slaying)

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This past weekend while the majority of the team was doing battle in Prospect Park or training on the hills of Rockland/Rockleigh counties, I was in Southern Vermont for a first-year 2-day stage race called The Tour of the Dragons. I was the only Kissena flying blue and orange, although we had clubmate Alan Atwood manning timing command central on Sunday. I signed up for the 35+ race.

The action was nearly over, before it started. For breakfast, I was eating a McGriddle only to bite into something so acrid, so foul tasting that my mind immediately turned to: "what the hell is the poison control number?" My ED nurse instincts kick in and I start running through possibilities. Should I induce vomiting? Should I get an ECG, my heart is pounding, my stomach feels sick. What does counter-top cleaner taste like? What does it do to my blood's Ph? Alkalosis? Do I need oxygen? The next few hours I just "monitored" myself, continuing with the routine. My stomach did feel upset, my heart was pounding, but was it psychosomatic, or something real. I know I swallowed something real bad, but maybe my body would process it without drama? Trying to put the incident out of my head, I registered for the race, picked up great freebies (inner tubes, tire irons, free Clif bar gels) and set up the bike under cover of a lift back tailgait.

The race started early Saturday morning with an 11-mile hilly (but not so hilly that full TT rigs didn't have an advantage) time trial. A beautifully hard course, made all the more painful by 43 degree temperatures and rain. Weather.com forecasters predicted 10% chance of rain, and I predict there's a 95% chance those guys don't know what they're talking about. Okay, so I was grumpy, and wet and cold. Most TT's as part of stage races on the East Coast have been in the 18 minute range, but this one saw winners go for around 26 minutes and losers like myself clocking in 30+ minutes. True to form, the only guy I beat in the TT went off course up a hill and had to double back.

After the wife and I enjoyed a little brunch and Bennington shops browsing (where we discovered an AMAZING bakery, with cupcakes to die for), the sky started to clear as the action heated up during the afternoon's criteriums. Despite my relative lack of fitness and power/weight issues, my steady diet of midwest criterium racing gave me confidence that I could be up there with the big guns. The course was a classic 1k, 4-corner crit, with an out of the saddle big-ring bump after turn one, a screamingly fast right handed descending turn 3 and a nice wide boulevard home-stretch. I was right at home. During introductions race announcer Richard Fries did his best to put some fear into us mere mortals. "5-time US Pro Champion, Frank McCormack!" "Former Team Saturn pro Chris Fisher!" "Current national champion blah blah bluh, blah, blah."

No matter. I was ready. Early laps, I take a turn at the front to check out the tricky turns at race speed (to those who are new-ish to crits, do as I say, not as I do, don't leave this vital step to crit racing until the actual race begins). Feeling comfortable I settle backwards into the top 5. Two riders launch off the front (not Fisher or McCormack) and are never to be seen again. Various riders go to the front in efforts to bridge/chase, but nothing doing. I see McCormack roll to the front, and I think, "Oh, shit, this is going to hurt." And it did, like a muhtha-fucka. I thought I was going to die. For those of you who don't know, Frank McCormack was quite literally one of the best racers in the world--across multiple disciplines. Cyclocross, crits, road races. A big guy who never met a big ring that was big enough.

This short master's race was quickly coming to end. There was some field-mixing madness where I rolled up to Fischer and asked, "what are we doing, letting them go, or racing with them?" The officials wanted us to race separately, but I wasn't going to get caught out because I'm a rule follower only, so I asked one of the most experienced guys in our group and followed his lead. Unfortunately there were crashes and other guys who were doing their own thing (neither following the rules, nor following the "patron" of the peloton) and soon I found myself buried in the back of a combined 35/45+ peloton and out of position for a good sprint finish. I managed 11th in my category, but with a whopping 17 guys in the 35+ field, 11th is nothing to brag about.

The end of day one came and the morning's cold TT effort, plus a hot crit in the afternoon added up to some tired legs that needed to be rested and refueled. I moved up a few slots in GC and was now in the money at 12th overall. You could bet I was going to race my ass off to at least protect my potential $15 GC payout tomorrow. That's right beeyotches. I was racing for $15 and if I moved up few more slots, a crisp Andrew Jackson was mine. Day two's report to follow in the next post.
Marc: I hear Frankie's still rocking a 56 up front.
Nice read, Marc. Good luck. Looking forward to reading part deux.
Lesson learned - avoid McDonalds?

how did the stomach work out?
Dragon Slaying Part II:

It was 36 degrees at the start of day two, and I was officially getting a lot of use out of my new long sleeve Kissena jersey this weekend. Although I should have been smarter, looked to my left, seen McCormack in shorts and a short-sleeve jersey and followed suit. By the time I crossed the finish line it was brilliantly sunny and in the 60s.

The race was 60 or so miles for all categories except the Pro 1/2 field (they did 97), included 4 KOMs the first two of which came in rapid succession. For all you "Batten-killers," the first KOM climb was the longest at just over 3 miles all done on hard-packed (thanks rain!) dirt roads. A long fast descent that was 1/2 dirt, 1/2 paved, with a mile or so in between. Then the second shorter, steeper climb, then lots of rolling and flat, some crazy descents, 2 more major climbs, more rolling, flats punctuated by grinding open road highway-esque big ring climbing and a 500 meter uphill sprint into the campus of a private school that was not totally unlike the finish of Housatonic Hills.

On the flats the attacks were early and often, but after about 20 minutes the pace settled down, the combined 35/45+ peloton content to let the race shake out on the first climb of the day. Coming after a fast paved descent, the guys at the front drilled it after a left turn onto a bridge crossing leading into the dirt. Really? Really? This is the way you want to hit the 3 mile climb? Gaps start to open before it begins, and I hammer to reattach. I'm on board and the fun begins. So far so good. I'm wheezing big time about 3/4 of the way up, but still in contact. I see big Mark McCormick rolling along pretty comfortably, but not at the front. I think, if I get dropped stay with McCormick, because if anyone can get us back in a chase on the flats, it's that guy. The climb, or so I think, starts to crest and I think of advice I've given to other Kissena's on group rides. "It's not the climb proper, it's the rolling/false flat after the peak where you have to hang especially tough" I dig extra deep I'm still in contact, although just barely, I push forward to surround myself with riders. I'm in a draft, I'm elated for about 5 seconds until I see 500 meters to go sign and a steep pitch up. I push, but..I'm dropped.

The rest of the race, I'm cranking out the pace with two different groups of dropped riders. With 4k to go, on one of these climbing open highway roads, I'm dropped for good and roll in solo about 13 minutes behind the bunch and winner, wait for it...Mark McCormack. I held onto a money spot coming in 14th in the GC. "Two bills," exclaims my wife as we admire my $15 payday!

I was blown away, I expected the slenderer former Saturn Pro and TT winner, Chris Fisher to take the win. But McCormack's power must be off the charts, because let me tell you, as a current "big guy" myself, I can confidently say, that guy has to be pushing 190lbs at least. At least. 200lbs+ wouldn't surprise me.

Anyway, in summary, I wrote this long report not to bore you with too many details of my performances but to paint a picture of the weekend to let you know what a nice, nice race weekend it was. In addition to the awesome bakery discovered (Crazy Russian Girls Bakery), Mrs. Murphy's Donuts (and I wonder why I'm overweight), plus, the wife and I enjoyed visiting Bennington Pottery (which included a self-guided tour of their studios), a really impressive Bennington Battle Monument (a 300 foot tall obelisk). And if you are into outlet shopping, Manchester, VT is the place to be. Sarah also reports good directions and plenty of good parking in the feedzone (race organizers of the world take note!), I appreciated the useful freebies, and the race courses were all excellent.
Random notes:

After 2 days, confident that I was not "poisoned" or had gotten through it all, I threw out the remains of my day 1 breakfast fairly sure that it wouldn't have to be sent to a lab for analysis.

What does a former pro race/ride when he's just a regular guy like the rest of us? McCormick, full of surprises (big guys like big stiff bikes, right?) was riding a Hot Tubes bike with Columbus tubing, with what appeared to be a rear carbon seat stays. The wheels were 32 spoke, Mavic reflex tubular rims. Dura Ace rear derailure.

And if I'm not mistaken, he or his brother are Fuji employees these days. Frank certainly had a kit with Fuji emblazoned all over it. (edit/remix; thanks JP for the correction)
nice work, marc - way to hang tough

can we get a pic of the McGriddle?
Marc,

Great ride and report. Congrats on the big payout!
You've got me wondering about this year now...
Bumping this, since Tour of the Dragons plans are underway. Marc's got a great, useful report above. Right now me, Craig, and Joe are confirmed. Anyone else in?

Glad to hear that folks are gearing up for this race. I do have to say, that I am a bit bummed to see that the crit stage has been replaced with a hilly circuit race. Not only for the fact that I like me a crit, but that awesome bakery was on the course.

Hoepfully this race will retain some of it's small town, manageable small-time SR characteristics and not devolve into another epic, hill climbing baseball bat to the face race.
I'm thinking about it, i'll try and make a decision this week.
Hi all, Ryan and I reserved a house walking distance to the registration and start already. Extra bedrooms are available. Message either me or Ryan J for more info. Price will be low- below $100 a night if we add more people.
Bump. 
C'mon Kissena, seriously no one else wants to do this but me, Craig, and Joe?
How's it going up there in Vermont, fellas?  
This race is awesome. 1st stage circuit complete. Tons of gravel - ill write more later but for now I'd say 20-25 made it to the end. We had all 3 of us, me, joe, Craig. I led out joe and we think he snuck into top 10. Me maybe top 15. Craig a few spots back. TT in 2 hours. Barely time to digest lunch before we have to warm up again!
Weird, usually the TT is first.  Sounds fun tho.  RAWK ON!!
Results here for those who are interested. Joe sitting 8th about a minute back. I'm 17th 2:20 back. Should be big shakeup tomorrow on the queen stage so hoping those gaps can be erased or at least significantly reduced. Will work for Joe with a goal to move him up the GC and sneak myself into the top 10. http://tourofthedragons.com/storage/DragonsUpdate 0504.pdf
Holy ouch. That was a seriously tough/awesome race. I ended up taking 9th in GC! I've never seen Ryan race so strong, he sprinted and took 8th in stage 3! 
Nice work Joe and Ryan!
http://fastalracing.com/results/2013/DragonsUpdate.pdf Sprint from a group of 15 and I didn't get last. Improvements! Super hard day but at least I was helping make it hard rather than sitting back praying it would get easier. Will maybe write race report later but in general just really annoyed by this whole "racing for upgrade points" mentality. So many times that climbers could've really shattered the race and just no one wanted to take the chance at it not working out and messing up their precious top 10. So lame. And then what happens? A bunch of those guys who we shoulda slaughtered 20km ago get top 10 in a bunch sprint.
Awesome work guys, very impressive.
"You have to be willing to lose if you want to win" I guess they didn't want to win.
I totally agree with Ryan- I think upgrade points for the most part ruin amateur racing.  Like totally fucking ruin it.

I would write a massive rant, but to save you all the time listening to me moan, and me the effort of writing it I will just paraphrase and put it is parentheses.  I think upgrade points are stupid because [enter large rant here about totally negative racing-inspiring rewards system for bike riding].

To summarise, upgrade points totally remove the 'going for broke'/'all in' racing mentality.

I think we as a club should devise our own system, and try it for a year, just here on the forum.  Of course, we can't supersede the USAC rules but we could just keep a tally here and see what it looks like at the end of the season, compared to the USAC version.  Might be fun, plus cold get some 'real life data' to suggest improvements to USAC.  Just a thought...
@Ryan&Joe, great job &team work at a very tough out-of-town Stage Race...people mark this race in National calanders, a serious test of cycling skills! keep it UP&B encouraged by good results. -h;-)

ps did any other Kissenas race?
@Adam I'm all for it, but how?  Get Charlie to only pay 3 deep, and put all the money for 4 through 10 back into the top 3?

I'm not sure it's the points so much as the pride.  "I finished top 10" is more acceptable to most than "I went for broke and finished nowhere"

Big Kudos to Diamond Joe & Ryan though - very, very few people line up at races both able and preparing to win.  Most of the pack are there to participate, and the strongest are frequently happy to aim for top 10.
I would disagree almost entirely with the "not about points, more about pride" concept.  I myself, when looking to get 4 to 3 upgrade points would race very conservatively some times, knowing I would easily get top 5 and not want to risk losing the points to go for 1st.  Also, there is loads of pride to be gained from attacking and getting caught, especially in the incestrous racing that is in the park.  When people know you are a fighter and will attack they start to a) respect you and b) try to follow/go with your moves.  Unless you are of course a 50m hero, then they laugh.  BUt in that case, you are hardly a lock-in for 5th place anyway.

I think a points shake up would be a must.  How about this?:

1st- 12 pts
2nd- 7 pts
3rd- 4 pts
4th- 2 pts
5th- 1 pt 

This would actually mean it is worth going for victory.  Or, sit in, sneak 5th and get almost nothing for it.  Payout can be as deep as you like, up to 20th for all I care.  It's about giving the incentive to race for the win.  Let's be honest, top-10 in a field of less than 100, although of course good, is hardly justification of how great you are that you should be in the next category up.

I'm of the mind that there's nothing that can be done about it. The problem isn't the system, the problem is egos that make people race like a bunch of sallies. Good luck fixing that. 

My instinct is that I think Adam's points system swings it too far in the other direction - making it too hard to upgrade and leaving you with 3/2/1 fields that are way too tiny. Although a possible counter argument would be that under the new rules where points don't expire, it makes more sense.

I'm not interested in changing it. There are just too many variables. I mean sure, top 10 in a field of 50 might not be as definitive a result as the same in a field of 100. Then again, what if no one who can't climb shows up and all the strongest dudes from throughout New England are there? That's how Dragons was and that field was fucking brutal. 

Anyway, I'll keep racing my bike and everyone else can just do whatever they want. I don't know why anyone wants to be a 2 anyway, especially if you're a climber type. The TT winner at Dragons in the Pro12 field went 5 MINUTES FASTER than I did. As he should, he's on Kelly Benefits Strategies. As our lead group moved up the road we saw all the Cat 2s with real jobs kicked off the back of their field, dying. Gee, looks fun!

That's why I don't do climbing races... Crits on the other hand...

I've always found it interesting how people race around here - very conservatively. I'd much rather lay it on the line and race for the win. If all the money goes up the road and we're not in it, I'd rather fall to pieces chasing than just cruise it in. What is the point of racing anyway?

I'm still not in favor the the local training races having jerseys and overall competitions - leads to conservative and negative racing.

My take - race for the win. If you can't get that (or a place by laying it all out) then DFL. It's much easier to find yourself in the results then.
Based on my scads of back-half finishes, I clearly have been racing exclusively for the win.
Jeff-

There is no upgrade-system-points tally that can quantify your awesomeness.  You race like you mean it.  That's way better than some shitty licence saying you are cat 4, 3, 2, 1, -7......

@Eric - I think you are spot on. Never thought about the jerseys in that light.  Food for thought...  

@Ryan - I don't care so much about being a 4, 3 or 2 (although it's nice to move up from 4s as they crash all the time for stupid fucking reasons).  I would appreciate more racing where guts, determination and risk taking is rewarded.  As you said yourself, that is not often the case in our amateur racing circles.  However that may be achieved I am all for.