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Green Mountain Stage Race (GMSR)

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Was 20 at ToC, soon 21 according to what he said there (racing age 21). He finished 2nd last year at GMSR. What does he want to accomplish there after these results since then?

08/15/2015 - Tokeneke Classic Road Race | Road Race | | |
10 Nicholas Waller 321620 2:00:41 196 Team Placid Planet

07/24/2015 - Tour of the Hilltowns | Road Race | | |
3 Nicholas Waller 321620 2:32:07 489 Team Placid Planet

08/07/2011 - Tour of the Catskills | Road Race | | Group B |
2 Nicholas Waller 321620 2:57:43 581 Team Placid Planet

08/07/2011 - Tour of the Catskills | Stage Race | | Group B |
2 Nicholas Waller 321620 6:32:38 581 Team Placid Planet

08/06/2011 - Tour of the Catskills | Road Race | | Group B |
1 Nicholas Waller 321620 3:06:06 581 Team Placid Planet

08/05/2011 - Tour of the Catskills | Time Trial | | Group B |
21 Nicholas Waller 321620 28:49.4 581 Team Placid Planet

07/10/2011 - Pawling Mountain Road Race | Road Race | | |
8 Nicholas Waller 321620 1:48:36 335 TEAM PLACID PLANET

06/19/2011 - Housatonic Hills Road Race | Road Race | | |
27 Nicholas Waller 321620 2:30:43 495 Team Placid Planet

06/11/2011 - Wilmington-Whiteface Road Race | Road Race | | |
4 Nicholas Waller 321620 2:36:04 166 Team Placid Planet

05/30/2011 - Killington Stage Race | Road Race | | |
4 Nicholas Waller 321620 2:50:00.00 264 Team Placid Planet

05/30/2011 - Killington Stage Race | Stage Race | | |
5 Nicholas Waller 321620 05:32:14 264 Team Placid Planet

05/29/2011 - Killington Stage Race | Time Trial | | |
23 Nicholas Waller 321620 26:37.56 264 Team Placid Planet

05/28/2011 - Killington Stage Race | Road Race | | |
47 Nicholas Waller 321620 2:15:37.00 264 Team Placid Planet

05/15/2011 - 2011 Bear Mountain Spring Classic | Road Race | | |
4 Nicholas Waller 321620 1:45:58.00 896 Team Placid Planet

05/01/2011 - Bennington Race Weekend | Road Race | | |
2 Nicholas Waller 321620 2:54:18.00 450 Team Placid Planet

05/01/2011 - Bennington Race Weekend | Stage Race | | |
3 Nicholas Waller 321620 04:01:24 450 Team Placid Planet

04/30/2011 - Bennington Race Weekend | Criterium | | |
9 Nicholas Waller 321620 36:38.00 450 Team Placid Planet

04/30/2011 - Bennington Race Weekend | Time Trial | | |
22 Nicholas Waller 321620 30:28.70 450 Team Placid Planet

04/10/2011 - Tour of the Battenkill Pro/Am | Road Race | | |
7 Nicholas Waller 321620 3:02:15.87 4902 team placid planet

09/06/2010 - Green Mountain Stage Race | Stage Race | | |
Waller is only strong on climbs. And while he's a decent enough kid, he can also be a cocky little douche. But yeah, he's 20 and weighs 125 lbs, so he should upgrade, get his ass kicked, and see how far he can really go.
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USAC site redesign must really be amazing. They already have results up from 2015.
He was upgraded a couple of days ago
Ryan, your fatherly talk at Tokeneke was quite efficient!
He's an okay kid, I was a total douche when I was 20.

But it's true that he's annoying in races.

On the final climb at Tokeneke he had boxed himself in on the right, on the shoulder. I had put myself on the left side of the bunch to start that climb, for the purpose of having room to attack, or more importantly, follow an attack if someone else launched. Also the shoulder was full of debris from all the trees and rain washing gunk around. He was stuck over there and he kept shouting at everyone "move left! there's too much shit in the road over here!"

I was like, "uh...exactly, kiddo".

Not gonna miss him or any of the other sandbaggers. At least 4 of the guys who beat Norm and I at Catskills were WAY over their upgrade points and are now gone. Hopefully that clears the way a bit!

R.
Posted By: Ryan J
Not gonna miss him or any of the other sandbaggers. At least 4 of the guys who beat Norm and I at Catskills were WAY over their upgrade points and are now gone. Hopefully that clears the way a bit!
You should know that going into every race, especially the "epic-er" ones, you will have always have your share of sandbaggers who just want to get in that one last great win before they upgrade. And when you start racing Masters, you'll have the Aspholms and Kimbles of the world who like to ride off the front winning solo rather than race the pro 1-2 race, get worked over pretty good have to settle for 12-20th place.

I guess my point is, is that you are always going to be stuck racing against one kind of asshole or another, and as much as possible, you should not let it bother you--because there's nothing you can do about it.
Still not going to miss them.
so, is the final count for GMSR stephane, marcB &me(3)? hope things are not cancelled due to impact of Irene in VT and the Green River Valley...should know by this evening. -h
GMSR is on, with some course changes for day 2 and 3 (write this because Gary refers to what used to be stage 1, after the prologue, as stage 2). Gary wrote: "Stage 2 will be on the Hinesburg circuit race course that we raced on three years ago". That's 2008. See page 18 of the technical guide:
http://www.gmsr.info/pdfs/8-26-08_final_techmanual_web.pdf
Gary, the organizer, was not exaggerating at all yesterday when he mentioned the possibility the race would be cancelled: this is the link I received after asking the Innkeepers if I could take a road through Moretown north of Waitsfield (I have decided to put 25 mm tires)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2121090384370&set=o.251771964856824&type=1&theater
Yikes. I recognize that part of 100b from the circuit race. damn. that circuit was hard, but really in many ways it was the perfect circuit race course. Hard, but even us fatty-fats, with a strong will and some good positioning could survive to race another day.

As far as gearing for the new circuit, I don't think you'll be sorry to keep your climbing cluster on all weekend long. I haven't done the revised circuit race course actually, but in my experience, I find I can even race my 12-27 in the crit without feeling like I'm missing out on crucial gears.

Anyway, this is a great weekend of racing, some of the best around, and I'm looking forward to the fun and relaxation.
Update: Yesterday, after driving from NYC we just rode up Appalachian Gap on Rte 17, then down on the other side, went right at the bottom to check the road we will use on Sunday to get to the Appalachian Gap and the finish, the old route being too damaged to be used. Then we climbed up the Gap to the finish, trying not to push too hard, which is not easy above when the grade is 10 to 20%...
They still don't know exactly what the course will be for stage 3. The damage is extensive, it's very sad to see all these belongings outside the damaged houses that were flooded.
Big discussions here among locals: some did not think it was appropriate for the race to take place, but those still in business, like our hosts at the Inn, thought it was important to keep it on so that not everyone would suffer from the situation. There is a lot of solidarity here. People are upset because the State is criticized for not being prepared, but Irene's forecast path was to the East toward Boston. Also outsiders don't understand why they keep old stone bridges here, which are not as strong as modern ones... But these, and those brooks and rivers, make Vermont a very special place.
The blueberry pancakes with maple syrup, the omelette with cheddar and mushrooms we had for for breakfast were great as usual. That should fuel us enough to ride the TT course later today. It's hard not to go out and ride longer here, but we have to keep the legs fresh for the coming days. Weather is good, I just hope it stays like that through the week end.
Missing you all, it would be great to have you here!
Thanks for the update. My guess is that the folks who don't think it's appropriate for the race to go on, are the ones who never want the race to happen. We're coming in bringing valuable dollars and tax revenue, that can only help a community rebuild. If I win any prize money (stop laughing), I'll donate it to the Mad River Valley. The TT course is fairly straight forward, I would spend time pre-riding the circuit race to see where the major obstacles lie. Sarah and I are coming in tonight.
Good luck to all. I'll be checking back for race reports.
Good luck guys! Shiny sides up, give 'em hell.
Race well gentlemen! Race for glory, race for fun, or --like me-- race so you can eat a sticky bun!

Cheers,
Norm
Future Founder & President of the Rageuneau Society
Results aren't posted yet but let's get day 1 started with a visit over to the clairvoyants at road-results.com. They haven't ranked the individual stages but they put me in 78th place out of 98 Cat 2 starters. Stephane in 23rd out of 39. Harry 42nd out of 66 starters.

Job 1? Beat the predictions. Of the three, I think they are most wrong about Harry. He just hasn't done enough races reported to get an accurate prediction. I think they're pretty much dead-on about me, I'll be lower than 78th initially after today's TT, but by the time we factor in DNFs after 2 hard days, plus a rainy crit, I'll move up in GC for sure. Interestingly enough Stephane "Master Analyzer" Geist has used his connections at the UN to secure blood, hair and muscle fiber samples and already determined there are 18 or so competitors whose wheels he cannot hold.

Job 2? Remind Stephane that he is a uber stud and that he will be scratching at the door of a top 15 if he wants it bad enough.

Job 3? Not suck tomorrow...also don't race with a 1.5lb saddle bag.
Man...do I gotta do everything here? Well since our two super studs are sleeping like babies and I got a bad case of "my circadian rhythm still hasn't adjusted to not being at work," I guess I'll let you know how things went for Kissena today.

Stéphane in the 50+ category continues his streak of good form, and knowing his competition, by finishing in 19th place with a time of 17:13.

Harry in the 4/5 category participated in like maybe his 2nd TT ever and ripped off a solid mid-pack, 32nd place finish with a time of 17:31. The winner of his race was a rider for the Riverside Boat Club. No word on whether the dude slipped into his penny loafers after the race. Seriously though, can we get a boat club to sponsor us? Circle Line booze cruises once a week!

Marc (that's me) in the 2 category, despite shaving his legs for the first time in like 6 weeks, continues his impressive streak of finishing not quite last in 91st place, beating two guys with his time of 17:43. More interesting than my pathetic time, was that one of the guys I beat was GS Mengoni's Ben Woodbury. And since I saw him warming up on a trainer, I can only assume he was trying for a good time at least and had a mechanical on the course or something. The other dude I beat probably missed his start time.

True to form all of us Kissena jamokes were overheard making excuses and explaining how we lost like 20 seconds because of this or that. Sarah asked, "why 20 seconds?" "Well, dear," I explained, "because 20 seconds sounds reasonable in our own deluded minds, plus in shorter TTs like this, a 20-second gain puts us in the next "group" of finishers and that makes us feel better. Duh!" I expect tomorrow's chatter to center around the phrase, "I should have been in that break."

Highlights from the daily communique:

Dude fined for riding with "an audio playback device," someone wearing a jersey of a team he is not eligible to represent (hmmm, I wonder which pro team replica jersey he was sporting?), and 3 juniors failing roll-out. Really? Failing roll-out? Jeesh kiddos, keep your 11s at home for a few years okay? You've got plenty of time to work on making all the tendons and ligaments of your knees explode.
@ Marc. I do think I lost between 20 and 40 seconds for going into the red on the last k of the climbing part, because I had to slow down to be able to stop feeling like a goldfish in an emptied tank, the guy who started 1:30 behind me, Haluk Sarci, who finished second, passed me on that part, but gained only 20 seconds on me till the end....
Good efforts guys... eagerly awaiting the next report!
Finished first of the chasing pack in a sprint today in the circuit race. Harry crashed, is OK, given a special finish time because it happened close to the 3 k limit before the finish.
Nice work Green Mountainers! Thanks for the great race reports, v-jealous. Vive la Stéphane. Nice TT Harry.
Despite forecasts of scattered thundershowers, it was nothing but hazy, oppressive sun with a side order of "so humid, your body didn't even attempt to convince the air to evaporate your sweat away."

I suffered mightily. Pressure was always on the pedals--it was like riding with a field of 90 Keith/JP/Norm clones. Miserable. I thought I had good position coming into the rollers and climbs until I saw GS Mengoni's Woodbury pass me. He seems like a nice enough guy, and I hear he has ridiculous power, but he spends way too much time racing from the back of the peloton. I wanted to smack the wise asses who questioned why we were going "group ride pace." I looked and didn't see any chains keeping them from riding at the front. I came off the back a couple of times, for good about 6k from the second KOM point (which of course means, there was another 1k of climbing after the line) when the road started going up. Strong guys I'm sure were going tempo, but I was in VO2 max territory and just couldn't hang on the second time around. 15 miles to go and I'm all alone. Again.

I do some mental math, cycle through the screens on my computer and guess that if I can average 21-22 mph, I'll make the time cut to live to fight another day. I continue to climb, catching and passing a few riders. I pause as I pass, "we can still make the time cut, c'mon" and get nothing but blank stares. And so I soldier on until I catch a man in red on the descent of Baby Gap. He grabs my wheel and share my calculations with him. "Huh?" Sort of a blank look from him too. But unlike the others he rides my wheel. We hit the head-windy flats and I settle into a manageable pace, keeping an eye on the speed. After a few minutes, I flick an elbow and red rider pulls through. I keep an eye on the clock. 1 minute pulls are just enough to give the guy in back a little rest and recovery. Coming into the final 5k, the other guy starts to fade. I don't trust my math, I want to wait for him, but I also don't want to miss the time cut. And so I continue to ride according to plan.

In the end, I finished with plenty of time to spare, about 11 minutes behind the field. I'm exhausted though and am not looking forward to the stair stepping KOM of tomorrow's course. Those of you who have done this race, will know it as the old circuit race course KOM. It's going to be hard.

Highlights from today's communique:

3 riders DQ-ed for yellow line violations including cross star Nicolas Keough in the Pro 1 field.
1 rider DQ-ed for tossing bottles and musette bags outside of the feed zone.

No one failed roll-out.
Yesterday, Harry finished twenty fifth and is thirtieth, not more than two minutes away from the guy who is fifteenth, so if he has legs today and does not crash he could be between fifteenth and twentieth after the stage.
Very exciting reports guys... making me wish I was up there racing with you guys!

Sorry about the crash Harry, heal-up fast.
@ Norm Harry did not crash today. So he finished well, that is 24th out of sixty three. Got dropped on the last climb, baby Gap and the Gap.
Good day for most of the Kissena's. Rerouting the course proved to be my downfall today. With a significant KOM climb just 12 miles into the race, I would have to make it over the top with the bunch, or suffer on the rolling flats for 45 miles before the next major climb.

Unfortunately, I did not have the power to keep up on the KOM and so I got into chase mode and did my best. My legs are absolutely trashed. While Stéphane was doing his best impression of Frank McCormack meets Jens Voigt all day (he's quickly gaining the reputation as the attacking rider who makes everyone else's life miserable), I was barely able to turn over my 39x27.

I haven't heard from Harry, but I hear he was ripping it up too. Got a couple of nice cheers because of the Kissena jersey. The stocky, shorter African American official who often works our park races is working up here and gave me a handshake at the start and some nice encouragement as I was dying a thousand deaths on App Gap.

Sarah was in the feed zone and reports that it was a true comedy of errors as the Grand Fondo riders came through trying to get their bottles. "It's a true testament to your skills as riders," she noted. She also asked me if all citizens category group rides are now called "Grand Fondos?"

Also, I'm not sure what category he races, but some Foundation dude was wearing the yellow jersey going into today's stage...and I'm thinking, with the incredibly strong 3s and 4s we have on our team, we could have been wearing yellow. Next year folks, next year. Put this race on your calendar.
Mission accomplished: I beat the three guys ahead of me on the GC today, I dropped them on baby Gap and the Gap, I have now between one and four minutes on them.I am fourteenth on the GC.