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Green Mountain Stage Race (GMSR)

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Stage 3 - Mad River Road Race

The queen stage. 70 miles. Flats and rollers are the baseline. One hefty KOM at mile 40, and then fireworks at the very end -- first comes Baby Gap at about mile 60, which is a Bradley-like climb except about twice as long, if that makes any sense. Fairly gradual, but seems to drag on quite a bit. A few minutes of mostly descending follow, then begins Appalachian Gap at around mile 67. This is a climb that has no comparison around here. It's hard from the very start, then it gets truly punitive for the last 1 km.

My plan for the day was to hide like a coward and watch out for Konrad, who was all up in the KOM competition (2nd) and within spitting distance of a top 10 GC spot (19th, but under 30 seconds out). As soon as I got to Baby Gap, I intended to shut it all down and ride it in at my own pace. The idea being to conserve my legs for Monday's crit and try not to duplicate my cramping issues from the day before.

Mission accomplished.

There was an admirably vexing early solo break that kept us really fast until the first KOM at mile 40. Some scrawny teenager from University of Vermont went berserker. On a really patched-up stretch of road about 30 miles in, I heard another familiar "BOTTLE!" chorus, and saw what looked like a heavy Sriracha bottle zooming along the pavement through the pack. It was Konrad's, I knew instantly. He was kind of proud of that bottle, and we'd talked about it a fair bit. Quite the conversation piece.

"Oh, no, our GC guy is down a full bottle of drink -- do I give him my full seat-tube bottle and attempt to grab multiple bottles of water at the supposedly neutral feed zones and extract a couple gels off the particularly small juniors in the field so I don't cramp/bonk (cronk?) 10 miles before the finishing climbs? Do I pretend I didn't see Konrad's bottle veer unpredictably not six inches from my front wheel, and stay away from him, hoarding all my pineapple Skratch drink for my own insatiable thirst? Do I give him my full bottle and down all eight of my Enduralytes and hope they're magic? Do I commit myself to riding directly alongside him for the entire rest of the race, rationing our hydration resources back and forth according to hardball negotiations?"

No. I gave him the extra bottle I stuffed in my middle jersey pocket in case of, well, this. So yeah, mission accomplished. I sidled up to Konrad a couple times along the way for a swig off his bottles out of sheer paranoia, but really we had enough.

Once I get serious cramps in a stage race, I am basically doomed. They will return at their earliest convenience. I was determined to race cramp-free on this day so I'd be able the race the crit hard. I kept my nose super clean and conserved every single pedal stroke. I made it a game to try not to touch my brakes. I expended great effort to go over the top with the front group of KOM 1 at mile 40 and then reverted immediately to pure energy conservation mode.

Again, mission accomplished. When we hit Baby Gap, I politely recused myself from the proceedings and rode it in a very gentlemanly fashion. I utilized the final feed zone, in the middle of the climb, as if I were a platinum member at the American Airlines Admiral's Club Lounge. I politely accepted the proffered soft drink and leisurely made my way up to the next volunteer for a complimentary water bottle as well, because, why not?

Crested Baby Gap, did the descent, regrouped with a few friends, started up App Gap.

A bunch of stuff happened after this. Chalk on the roadway. Frooming. Insane summit finish. Konrad moved up. Met up with Harry. Broken spoke. Beerecovery. Recovurritos.

Mission accomplished: finished the 70 mile queen stage without burning any matches and somehow avoiding cramps.

The crit is looking GOOD!

"Oh, no, our GC guy is down a full bottle of drink -- do I give him my full seat-tube bottle and attempt to grab multiple bottles of water at the supposedly neutral feed zones and extract a couple gels off the particularly small juniors in the field so I don't cramp/bonk (cronk?) 10 miles before the finishing climbs? Do I pretend I didn't see Konrad's bottle veer unpredictably not six inches from my front wheel, and stay away from him, hoarding all my pineapple Skratch drink for my own insatiable thirst? Do I give him my full bottle and down all eight of my Enduralytes and hope they're magic? Do I commit myself to riding directly alongside him for the entire rest of the race, rationing our hydration resources back and forth according to hardball negotiations?"

No. I gave him the extra bottle I stuffed in my middle jersey pocket in case of, well, this. So yeah, mission accomplished. I sidled up to Konrad a couple times along the way for a swig off his bottles out of sheer paranoia, but really we had enough.

This is exactly what makes Kissena such an awesome team.  That, and the Beerecovery...
Stage 4 - Burlington Criterium

I didn't make the cut. There's no excuse for how badly I raced this. I am still furious with myself two days later. Don't ask me about it, I don't want to talk about it.
Conclusion

The Green Mountain Stage Race is the premier stage race in the Northeast for a reason. Everything about it is so ... professional. To call it "pro" would be doing it a disservice, frankly. It's done professionally. Everything from the tech manual to the sponsorships are tip top. The race, the racers, cycling, the whole deal, have support from the entire region. Some of the race-supporting businesses (ahem, Mad Taco) probably had their equivalent of Black Friday this weekend and they struggled mightily, but they were nice about it, and we all responded in kind.

I've never met so many of my competitors. Literally, in all my time of cycling, I've never met so many of my competitors as I did during this single, four-day race. And one of the days was an ITT! I met like six dudes that day! We know each others' names now! We're going to say hi at races now.

The course itself makes for a very multi-faceted four-day stage race. It's refined. It's the antithesis of how Dieter Drake designs his stage races. This isn't some carnival freakshow of pain. This is a beautiful race course. This is a hard race course. The sprint, KOM, and leader's jerseys are hotly contested, and legitimately contested. There truly are three races happening at once here. John Malcolmson, Ryan Johnston, and Joaquin C de Baca would have equal fun at this race. Convince Keith to cook and we'd be all set. Konrad and I agreed that we really would have liked to have Jeff Owens along for two reasons: 1. he could have RIPPED THROATS leading out sprints and KOMs alike; and 2. the race banter. We literally had this conversation.

I got to know a teammate I didn't really have a lot of contact with before this weekend: Konrad. Pretty much top notch. Strong as an ox and sharp as a tack. We're lucky to have him. He went from 19th in the ITT to 13th after App Gap, to 9th overall after the crit, due to his talent and tenacity. Plus, he kept his cool while I changed radio stations faster than a rabid marmot changes his mind about which corner of the cage.

I've never regretted missing this race in the past, but I think I'll regret ever missing it in the future. If you've never done it, I can't blame you for not regretting having missed racing GMSR this year. But if you find yourself pondering Tour of the Catskills, or Tour of the Dragons, or Killington Stage Race, or whatever ridiculous early-season self-hatred orgy comes up on the forum, take her easy.
gmsr c2013, 30aug-2spt

race reports:

42starters, finished @33rdGC +:30min back.

stage1 iTT - (warren villageVT) 5.9mi 1/3rd med-sharp upHill; dry, start time 3:50p - finish time 4:08p nuff said...ouch! died (3)times, past by 3riders/2keltic riders the last which i managed as inspiration to keep in sight to the uphill ouch again!, finish....GREAT! course climb climb crest roulleurs hammerFest to final dip&ouch! climb finish @5.9mi/10km. 36th/42starter masters 50+, winner @15:38.

stage2 CR - (harwood unionHS, duxburryVT) 52mi 2.75laps; wet/rain, start time 1:25p - finish 3:40p, off back after 2nd feed zone climb to KOM & 1st of 2&3/4th laps, chased down one other straggler &tt'ed a lap together, he fell off after final climb, i soldiered on 'till pro 1/2 field a)passed me& b)group of (4) pros came up behind and pulled me in for 10km, then raced up ahead to assure time cut at 2km togo. tough wet day...mistakes made: too much fun night before& pre-ride of App Gap prior to CR Race&legs &mind had a bioMechanical on second lap climb after serious racing for the days start...course is NOT most challenging, but w/Sprint&KOM primes racing is on for bell! so better be warmed up &ready 2GO! result: me @33rd 15min back, 21.7avg; winner doug leMarch(Trek fiera) 2: 24.6avg, 2nd doug oneil(denos wonderWheel), 3rd cliff summers(ccc keltic); 42 starters; 38 finishers.

stage3 RR - (mtEllen, Sugarbush Resort, FaystonVT) 70/66mi +2.5k feet climbing in the last 10mi; dry/overcast, start time 8:40a - finish 11:57a, me off the of back of final group of(25) @mile 59 after 3rd bump of babyGap climb; the masters 50+ race was moderate to fast pace w/a break of (3)in the 1st 5k of racing(5k neutral start), the yellow, green&dots jerseys were all in the peloton... i rode in the top 3-8 for the first 56miles, then was the off back like a fluffy pancake w/blue berries, walnuts maple syrup in the 1st 3rd of the babyGap climb; i rode steady-strong to the mtTop finish passing many cat4/5's after their initial group raced to the last their last KOM& was passed by one other50+....i saw Josh, Igor, jeffW&konrad in the cat4/5 open field on the final climb as they passed me at a good pace(great to have teammates &nyc locals to shout-outs@race start/finish &'en course'...seems the nyc racing community is very close at these out of town/state races!). the finish @Appilachian Gap(yes, the trail crosses the apex) is AWEsome! both beautiful and d r a m a t i q u e s with its steepness, switchbacks, verdant green arboreal forests and craggily rock out-croppings. ALL Kissenas should do this race at some point! &stay at the WeatherTop Inn B&B! w/consummate hosts/innkeepers/cuisaniers:-)

stage4, Criterium - (burlingtonVT) wet/rain, start time 11:00a 1km (6)corner technical course, 50+ 25laps 13 for aGC time. 85dF overcast/intermittent rain dry@start! - start time 11:40 actual, 12noon - finish time +8/9laps. pre-race warmed-up w/@25 min (2) slow loops up hill to UVT +(4)20sec openers, coffee, restRoom& confirm neutral wheels@Sram support, air pressure @117-120psi, bicycle élin/kit/ready pre-walk course &observe lines of racers on course...memories of sharp edges, varied pavement/pavers/curbs/grates - 1st 1/2 lap is neutral(should be 1st full lap); so, prep is basically in place, line-up w/call ups for leaders: roll-call for top(4)masters racers in usa incl johnFunk (VergeSport/TestPilot) & dirkHimley (hammer), miguelSanches (sportsBazar), michaelMeteyer (trekMidwest), carlReglar (vergeSport); hunterZiesing (hammer), williamThompson (cccCeltic), etc...

1st lap was HOT, 2nd lap HOT, 3rd lap 'not sure i will survive' am at back chasing up 6th turn hill out of saddle trying to hold on to the far-back any-wheel, 4th lap HOT, 5th lap a tad slower, 6th lap pack still chasing hard long string of riders 20-25long still HOT! 7th&8th lap am finally the off back...&was pulled on 8th or 9th lap.

lovely to watch remainder of race between Funk&Himley who have broken off front of pack w/a30sec gap&gobble up all bonus points&sprint primes....entire group of 20 finish in bunch w/Funk&Himley 50m short of lapping the field :55sec behind the two duel the final up hill sprint finish w/Himley winning by 1m/wheel length! Great FastRace. 16mi &26.7avg.

...disappointed that i did not: a) finish the crit, b) make a GC time(req. 1/2laps of race ie.13); pleased that i made it to start, pleased not as intimidating a course as recalled in my 1st(&now 3rd ever) crit (3)years ago, pleased did not crash-out, super happy to see nyc &past battenkill riders most ALL who were super friendly&supportive.

HIGHLY reccomend ALL target this (4)race series as a life event!
-h

Congrats to all you GMSR racers! Thanks for the reports, which allowed me to "experience" just a taste of what has been my favorite race weekend of the year.

Stage 4 - Burlington Criterium

I didn't make the cut. There's no excuse for how badly I raced this. I am still furious with myself two days later. Don't ask me about it, I don't want to talk about it.
Jeff, I hear you. And I'm sure you are already doing this, but take this as a real learning opportunity. Think about what made you so furious and how you can turn that fury into a better result next year. Also, this weekend, you've got another great opportunity to unload some of that rage at Nittany, no?!

Harry, now that you are no longer intimidated by the crit course (that's the first step) what can you do better to reach your "1/2 way" goal? Better yet, next year, make your goal to finish the entire distance! YOU CAN DO IT!

All, the Burlington Crit is hard. Really hard. There's just no two ways about it. Racing the Pro 1/2 category got smoked my first couple of years doing this race too. Everyone tackling the GMSR next year, might consider adding more crits to their racing schedule in order to better prepare for the challenge. Just like you would never consider racing Battenkill without at least a couple of 60-mile training rides in your legs...

I know that the "dollar per lap calculators" come flying out faster than when the substitute math teacher leaves the room during a test, but crit racing is good training for your legs and your mind. And the skills practiced, the energy systems developed during crit racing, will help you cyclocross nutters.
Man.  I'm really going to wish I'd done this as a 4 next year... actually I already wish I had.
Oh, and also - WHITEY WHAT THE WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN HOLDING OUT ON RACE REPORTS!

Not cool dude.  Moar than one per two years please.
Nice work boys.  This is definitely on my calendar for 2014.  Already making family plans around it. I came close to signing up the week before this year but I felt my fitness was lacking. Perhaps next year I'm going to take a mid season break (ala Jules) to maximize late season fitness. 
Nice work boys.  This is definitely on my calendar for 2014.  Already making family plans around it. I came close to signing up the week before this year but I felt my fitness was lacking. Perhaps next year I'm going to take a mid season break (ala Jules) to maximize late season fitness. 
I think with some planning we could bring a very impressive posse...
Yeah, I really need to do this next year.
I am going to do this again this year.  My biggest "A" race with a capital A.  I came 6th on GC in 2012 but think I can do a little better.

Soooooo, I need a team to help.  Get involved peeps.  I am posting this super early as this race is a pretty big commitment (4 days racing so 5 days, including travel the day before, assuming you leave immediately after the final day's crit).

What will I offer my teammates in return?  Well, despite this race being called the Green MOUNTAIN stage race, it has two bona fide sprint stages, as likely to be a sprint as you are ever going to get (stages 2 and 4).  I am more than happy to be total lead-out/pilot for those two stages in exchange for positioning help on the climbing stages.

Also, this is by far the best race in the North East of the US.  No joke.  Best run, best courses, best atmosphere and best scenery.  If you are yet to compete at this event, I strongly suggest considering it.

Marc, feel free to extend the list of why this is a must do race. 
I hear on very good authority that GMSR is going to be expensive this year. $300-$400 entry fee expensive

One of the reasons is that the organiser is now required to have State Trooper lead and follow cars for every field.



Bummer to hear about the increased entry fees. I still can't believe spring/summer park races that promoters constantly are reminding us are "just friendly training races" are tickling $40.

GMSR is a fantastic weekend. This thread is old and long. I've written much on it. As have others. Those on the fence should definitely scroll up and read more.

I think what it boils down to is that it is one of the more expensive long weekends/short weeks and most folks already have budget their time and dollars for other events earlier in the season. Leaving them empty for Labor Day Weekend.

While all the road races are not yet on the calendar proper, hopefully everyone is thinking about planning out their season of races. If anyone wants one-on-one help with their race calendar, I'd be happy to offer my thoughts, as I'm sure any of the other mentors, or any other rider who spends a significant portion of their race season outside of the city would be willing to help as well.
For those who are curious, it looks like a late summer/early fall race, Aug 29-Sep 1 was last year's dates.

I'm interested but noncommittal at this stage.
@Adam if you're planning on riding as strong as you were last year about all the help I can be is standing on the sidelines cheering with a beer in my hand.  That said, if I'm in town I'm your huckleberry.  I'll do whatever I can for you.
@Adam I might throw my hat in the ring to help out on this one as well. I've never done GMSR and it sounds like a good time. 
I was thinking GMSR might be a good race for me to target this year.
Jules said:
@Adam if you're planning on riding as strong as you were last year about all the help I can be is standing on the sidelines cheering with a beer in my hand.  That said, if I'm in town I'm your huckleberry.  I'll do whatever I can for you.
This is not true, Jules. The best climbers won't always go as fast up the climbs as they could, and that doesn't often help their cause. If a good climber has a teammate who is willing to obliterate themselves, it can help thin the herd. A guy like yourself can turn the screws for 10 or 15 minutes and make all but the very best climbers uncomfortable before exploding. But the ability to do that also means you're capable of going top 20 or better at GMSR. Few are willing to sacrifice that result to help a teammate go better.

Ask Joe about how I raced for him at Tour of the Dragons last year. He didn't ultimately have his best day, so we didn't execute - he told me to race for myself before the finale. But the fact that I wasn't worried about my own result allowed me to go the front and make people climb way faster than they wanted to.

I don't think guys like you and Owens always realize how hard you are able to make climbs for the first few minutes when you set your minds to it.


Way back, in the way back, one of my first ever mentor activities was a talk about the GMSR crit and the race in general. If there's sufficient interest, I'd be happy to lead a discussion of GMSR tactics late in the road season.

For now though...those of you dreaming of being good teammates to killer GC contenders, two words:

BABY. GAP.

Also, you have to finish at least 1/2 of the crit to get a final GC placing. It's hands down, the 2nd hardest crit course I've ever done. I would highly recommend doing as many crits as possible before GMSR as you can. Grant's Tomb, Memorial Day Weekend in New Jersey, White Plains...off the top of my head.

Damn...I said to guys on this weekend's ride that I needed to take a break from the forum and the next time I had an urge to post, I was going to practice some magic tricks instead. Also totally didn't need that Ritter Sport chocolate bar tonight.
Great to get such positive responses.  In addition to Joe, Ryan and Jules, Jeff C also expressed interest to me personally.  With that group I have no doubt at all that we could do damage.

Of course, anything can happen between now and then.  Hurricane Sandy might return, maybe more team mates will have more babies.  Nothing is set in stone now of course but it looks like we could get a good group.

One other thing, if we have a group with some solid climbers, who will sit in until the final climb, that also provides opportunities for strong-men flatlanders to do well, to perhaps take andvantage of that and get in moves.  Calling Dave V and Johnny M; this could be your time to shine.  A squad of 6, with some climber types and rouleur types would be an incredible unit.  

Regarding Ryan's point, I totally agree.  One doesn't have to be a skinny Qunitana-esque mountain goat to decimate a Cat3 field on a climb.  5 minutes at 350w at the end of a 70 mile race will do more than enough damage, lots of contributions from lots of people can be put to good use.  Furthermore, positioning for the KOM points and ascents up Baby and App Gap are important; another important role that could be fulfilled. 

I will try to organise 2/3 training days throughout the year, if there is interest.  It would be amazing if we could get the group of 5 or 6 to all head out to say, Pawling, one weekend.  We could then practise some 20+ minute climbs as a unit and see who can contribute what where and who is looking good on the climbs this year.  Should be cheap and cheerful and days like that can be achieved without staying up overnight so they are very convenient.  I'll keep those who have expressed an interest posted on such events, when the weather turns in 6 weeks or so, after Battenkill.

Wrong thread, but perhaps seeing as we have a core of Cat3s who are looking at stage races out-of-town this year, we might put some though into Killington and Catskills too?  Anyone putting their name in for those?  Of course, they are significantly sooner so might need more immediate attention than GMSR.  One race's team captain my be another race's domestique, one race's domestique is another race's team captain...
I'm interested but not in the right category.  If perchance I upgrade in time I'd be happy to serve as a domestique.  Consider it calendered.
If Ted King calls GMSR "...either the best race you’ve never heard of… or the best race you’ve ever heard of. Period." then I'm interested!
Malcolmson could be a bona fide favorite for the sprint jersey.

Also, I am targeting this race in the 4s this year. 
I'm definitely in. Last year was so fun! Hoping to have my upgrade and assist the 3s, but if not I'll be looking for some placings in the 4s. Last year was great, and going in knowing the climbs a bit better, I think I can do a little more this time around. I attacked on Baby Gap but it wasn't enough to get away and I cracked on AppGap. A team 1-2 punch could definitely do some good!
I'd go lead John out for that sprint jersey and be as helpful as possible wherever possible
Andrew, we can see how it goes, but I think it's your year to shine mate.
I think I'm in for this. Would aim for either a GC placing or to help set folks up.
Wow this is gonna be a wild cat3 squad.
this looks awesome. I'm definitely in for this one.