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Floyd Bennett Field

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Tomorrow June 14 if you are able to, come race or spectate!
Reg opens around 5-5:30.
$30, reusing numbers if you've raced FBF this year.
First race at 6:30.


Is it cash on site only?  Don't see an entry in BikeReg.

Think I'll be there.

Let's go race bikes.  
Yes, $30 cash for registration on site only. You'll have to fill out 2 waivers as well.
Yes, $30 cash for registration on site only. You'll have to fill out 2 waivers as well.
From L&C:

Registration is onsite only and opens around 5-5:30
Registration is $30 and $10 for Juniors

Cat 5 and Women Open start promptly at 6:30
Cat 5 race 5 laps
Women Open race 10 laps with 2 sprints

1/2/3 and 3/4 start at the completion of the Cat 5 race. 3/4 will start first and do almost a complete lap before the 1/2/3 will start. This usually prevents race overlap.
3/4 race for 10 laps with 2 sprints
1/2/3 race for 12 laps with 2 sprints

Every rider needs to have a USAC and Aviator waiver on file. You only need to sign them once per season. If you have already signed the waivers all you need to do is check in, pay your entry and be on your way. PLEASE save your numbers, and bring the right ones. These numbers have an FBF printed on them so you don't confuse them with your Prospect numbers. Lost numbers is a $10 replacement fee.

Waivers in case you want to print, sign and bring with to save some time:

USAC Waiver

Aviator Waiver
Hoping to make it out today. 
Here are a few pics from yesterday. James, Greg, Jonathan, Andrew, Eloy, Remy, JP, Alexander, and Pat raced. Mark, Michael, and David rode out to support.



pic of Pat, Eloy, Alexander, and JP by @DavidVibert


David 


Andrew


Any suggestions on how to remove dried sealant from socks/clothing? 
I know, @eloy, the solution for removing dried sealant is to move up :D  
@James Reeder

Go faster.  Obvs. ;)

I think this might have been the least windy Floyd I've ever done.

And the speed showed.  I averaged 29.1mph (stopped my ride 500 meters or more after the line)

My old 'standard' Floyd tactic was to be aggressive early and see how things shook out.  It often meant I was kind of empty by the end.  This time, I determined to wait.  Before half-distance, everything said "field sprint."  Both the Jordan and Foundation squads were totally riding to keep things together.  Constantin of Veselka rode up to me and said 'it's gonna be a bunch sprint tonight'.  Only a few people were trying to upset the script, and they didn't have team support to make it work.  

I considered a flyer with two to go, but we were going so fast, I didn't see holding a gap for long unless others came with.  One to go, I figured I could make one push, moving to about 20 back before turn three, then up another 10 before turn four.  But I got blocked going into turn two and couldn't make up the distance before turn three.  So I just rolled in.

Afterwards, I was reminded of a interview I did with Craig Lewis, a euro pro, from many years ago.  He was part of a not particularly strong AMerican squad going to a pretty hilly worlds.  Whomever was directing the team suggested they 'chill' for the first five hours of the race, so they could have something for the final hour-and-a-half.  He said of the team's collective effort, 'we chilled ourselves out of the race.'  Sometimes, even a dumb attack has value, if only to open the legs.  

In terms of power, it was actually a pretty easy race.  Which is a bit sad, considering.  

And for some reason, my Bolt reported my max speed at 68mph.  

Also, kind of bizarrely, I now hold the 5th fastest time for the segment "FBF Tuesdays," averaging 30.9mph.  But, to take the KoM, I would have needed to go 15 seconds faster.

https://www.strava.com/activities/7313061790/segments/2972158394786083906

I mean there might be some distance between a world championship 6 hour race vs FBF :p

But yeah, being somewhat active and aggressive, even if it is around positioning and staying towards the front, will set you up to better respond to key moves and will yield better results -- sitting at the back kinda gets you used to the back.

My quick report:
  • I think the last time I race a Tuesday night Floyd was 2009!
  • Jon Adler, James Reeder, Patrick, Greg, and myself racing the 3/4
  • Before that, worth mega mention: Amber Joseph (Legion of LA, Barbados National Champion) showed up for the women's race. She killed and won that race, but the level of awesome was high level of mega awesome!!
  • Our race included two primes, the first one came on the 3rd lap, that was like OMG WTF HOLD ON HOLD ON!!! OUCH 
  • the second prime was a bit more chill
  • There were a couple of hard fast moments, but generally found myself feeling more comfy that I expected. I think we all benefited from a quiet wind Tuesday -- still seriously missing top end tho, and it was obvious
  • Patrick was looking sharp but would flat :(  Greg was looking hot too, but would also flat a few laps later
  • Jon looked great, specially the last few laps! James was holding and getting dirty at the rear
  • The last lap sprint was even more OMG WTF HOLD ON HOLD ON AAAAAAAH! 
  • At 43.3km/h I believe it is the fastest race I've ever recorded on Strava
  • Jon and I finished mid pack, with James coming in an instant later
Let's go race bikes!

Is FBF on tomorrow?
it's on! onsite reg only - details are a few posts up ^^
Won't be there tonight.  Recovering from something that stubbornly isn't Covid.
FBF is cancelled tonight- rain from 6 - 6:30 on with possibility of flooding.
sadness.
FBF Series 2 starts this evening. onsite reg, $30, reuse current numbers.
(won't be able to make it tonight)
Check the new FBF tuesday series instagram account for race and weather updates:
https://www.instagram.com/fbf_tuesday_night_race_series/
FBF races are confirmed for every tuesday evening through 23rd of august, barring any weather related cancelations which would be posted day of.
Another hot Tuesday evening racing at FBF. After way less than stellar performances at my previous 3 outings, I decided to play it a little safer and see where that got me. I lined up with James, (Andrew arrived at the last minute and jumped on as the race was about to begin), and imediately settled into my plan to keep an eye on the front, but sit far enough back to be cocooned by riders on all sides - the better to block the wind from all directions. The 3/4 fields have been prettty large this season. In my earlier races this year my comfort with the course and my general enthusiasm for racing at FBF led me hang out at the front, chase breaks, and generally exhaust myself. In the 2 races that I didn't flat, I ended up burnt by lap 8 and limping to the finish. I had to fight my instinct to use every bit of open space in font of me to keep moving foreward. After 4 + years of racing it does feel good to be at ease in the middle of a pack hurtling across broken pavement. Going into the bell lap I was very pleased to have made it that far without bonking, but was still riding cautiously so as not to needlessly chase something and flame out. I moved methodically towards the front of the pack and going into the final turn spotted and opening on the inside and rode hard through it. Shortly after taking the the turn I looked over my left shoulder to assess the situation and was surprised to see that I was alone, some distance ahead of a small cluster of riders that seemed to have taken the turn wide and were taking their time considering what to do next. Having raced at FBF many times, I have a pretty good sense that the distance from the final turn to the finish line is a long way for an all out, solo sprint.  But, what popped into my mind was: "holy shit! I'm pulling away from the pack and that's the finish line up there and I might not just do OK in this race, but I'm going to win it!" (I have never been in this situation before in a bike race, so allow me my 30 seconds of glory.) So, I put my head down and worked my way up into my highest gear and gave it everything I had. Shortly before the finish line I was passed by about 8 sprinters and I was soon to learn that a break of 6 riders had already crossed the line 20 seconds earlier. I was 15th - which is my best ever finish as a Cat 4 - so I felt pretty good. Even if my brief dream of glory was to be several levels removed from reality, I raced my race and did better than expected. Racing at FBF is always a challenge, never a dull moment and always fun. Who knows what next time will bring? Not me. But I know I'll be back. 
Checking with my boss to see if I can head out early for tomorrow’s race, assuming it’s still on-site registration. I think I’ll regret it if I don’t end up giving FBF a go. 
Everybody come on out to Floyd Bennet Field and race tomorrow! Veselka is sponsoring, which means there will most likely be post-race pierogis. It's always a lot of fun and great racing at FBF! 
Everybody come on out to Floyd Bennet Field and race tomorrow! Veselka is sponsoring, which means there will most likely be post-race pierogis. It's always a lot of fun and great racing at FBF! 
Details: https://www.instagram.com/p/CgptSX_uAWc/
I think their tactic is to get everyone loaded up on pierogis so they can't sprint.

Anyone going if you get pics you can send to me at 646 620 7179 (i'm out of town until the 21st)
It was another great day of racing at FBF on 8/9/22. I arrived in time to have a few quick words on strategy with Alexander and David before they lined up for the Cat 5 race. David was looking to complete his first race with the pack after several attempts. As those of us who've raced at FBF know, experience and knowing what situations to capitalize on and which to avoid, how to best approach the various different sections of the course, are critical to finishing. They both finished strong in the group sprint finish.

I lined up near the front in another large group of 3/4's. I was the only Kissena 3/4 racing this week. There were lots of familiar faces, and a lot of new ones - including a large group of fresh faced youngsters with the CRCA  Development team. The race got off to its usual fast start and then settled into a series of rounds of occasional breaks up the outside, and others fighting to hold and advance their postitions. This was my 7th race this year at FBF, and I've had some pretty terrible and some pretty good finishes. Lately I've been feeling pretty confident, so I thought I'd take some chances and try some new moves out. I rode briefly with a couple of small breaks that dissolved pretty quickly in the middle laps, and then positioned myself on the final laps to be near the front coming around the final turn. I was a little further back than I wanted to be, but picked what looked like a strong rider headed for the line and sat in behind him until he started to decelerate right about where I wanted to start my sprint. I was able to accelerate past a bunch of riders on my way to the line and finished 21st. It's taken me until this time in my racing history to feel confident and experienced enough be mixing it up this way in a race. It's a pretty good feeling. I won't be able to make next week's race, but hope to be there for the last race of the season on August 23rd. 
Friendly reminder that FBF is starting 15 minutes earlier today.  

Women and Cat 5 @ 6:15pm
Everyone else at @ 6:45pm
I raced FBF Cat 5 last week and it was a lot of fun. I felt very comfortable and worked on trying some different strategies. I tried to get near the front for the last lap but kept drifting back, and there wasn't enough time or space to make up that many wheels coming into the last straightaway. I ended up finishing with the bunch near the back (no need to sprint all out for places 20+, IMO).
@DavidVibert good call on not sprinting for 20th. Unless you're in the mix to win the race, there is exactly zero upside to throwing a big sprint in a pack
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@Tom Mains

Do you have anything to add to the links mentioned above?
Reg is open:

https://www.bikereg.com/fbf2023?fbclid=IwAR2PqDsP2SSBJrPXwWuCdMbcvIBdJFz-hEtSMDzit6mM96P4O1RcBHXJVtI
In! 
Very short race report:

Started in the 3/4's with Joe and Greg, got used to the (really big!!) field and the course, felt good, made a move towards the front of the pack, got a flat while doing so, just into the second lap. Joe and Greg looked strong!







That's Floyd at its finest.  It'll whip you into physical shape while also forcing you to deal with mental anguish.  You will end the season with a smoother cadence and a sharper ability to second-guess yourself.