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Francesco Moser in Brooklyn

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Hey Folks,

Moser is coming back.  This time it's a charity auction of one of his bikes and a wine tasting.

http://conviviocycle.eventbrite.com/

ran into a guy who owned this bike...he had it specifically shipped to berlin at the time from italy. the finish chrome under the paint was a custom job.
Sweet!  Did you tell him about the event?
yes yes, I don't think it suscitated his interest much though.
So, since we pimp Moser, can anyone enlighten me on his blood doping/affiliation with Ferrari et al, as referenced by INRNG?
short answer...

In 1982, he was looking washed up.  Still a force in flat races, but definitely not a factor in hilly affairs.  In 1983 sometime, he hooked up with Conconi (whose disciples were Ferrari and Cecchini).  hatched the hour record plan.  Went to Mexico City in January 1984, broke the hour record, then broke his own record four days later.  Merckx, by comparison, was wrecked after his effort.

in 1984, he also won one of the flattest Giri in history, thanks to both the cancellation o a mountain stage and the updraft of a helicopter pushing him forward in the final tt.

THen, after he retired, he tried to set the record in 1988 on a giant rear wheel and in 1994 in an Obree tuck.

He definitely blood doped for the hour record.  It was legal at the time.   Moser now claims that Anquetil told him that he blood doped during his career.  A claim that is impossible to prove, as Maitre Jacques is dead.  But a bit hard to believe.  Not clear what assistance he had for the other things.
That helicopter story seems ridiculous. How low was that chopper flying? Sounds like sour grapes.....
Should we ask for the hat back? :)
The helicopter is not sour grapes. Watch how the guys react in today's races when a chopper gets close. They freak.
But saying the wash actually pushed him along? Deliberately? Nope.
David,
I'm just repeating what has been widely commented on by Fignon, his DS Guimard, and others.  The mountain stage cancellation has been widely reported on--allegedly because of snow, reporters went to the pass in question, and it was clear.  There is extensive helicopter footage of Moser's TT from that stage, and the chopper is always behind him and off to the side.  Fignon claimed that the chopper covering him was to the front, creating a headwind.  I haven't found any footage of Fignon's ride. though as they were riding on the road a few minutes apart, it's strange that there aren't cross-cuts showing both riders.  

I believe that it is within the realm of possible that a helicopter could be positioned to change wind dynamics over a small area. We've all felt the push and pull of a truck passing by closely.

Moser certainly had a faster bike, thanks to the dual disc wheels.  I don't think Fignon rode discs, but he did have a TT bike that looked like this http://www.gitaneusa.com/images/history/Cycles-Gitane---creators-of.jpg

here's TT footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGu970W6ogs
As JP points out, the blood doping was legal in 1984. The American Olympic team cleaned up in LA and later admitted to having used it. The results included two skinny people (Alexey Grewal and Connie Carpenter) outsprinting the beafier sprinter types (Steve Bauer and Rebecca Twigg).

The Europeans were nowhere to be seen . . .

(I actually watched those races live on TV - and that was incredibly novel)
Stokes,
Not exactly.  Grewal and Carpenter turned it down.  Twigg, who got second to Carpenter, did it.  

Both Grewal and Carpenter played the sprint better.  Grewal had been an occasional amphetamine user, but that would have failed on that day in 1984, as it was brutally hot.

Here's a story on it from 1985
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1119061/1/index.htm 
Interesting stuff to say the least. Canceling the mountain stage was definitely some sketchy shenanigans.
As I was riding to Piermont a couple of weeks back and someone in a green kit shouted at me something unintelligible... Moser is coming back... something. I assume to make us all look like boy racers at a park race. Anyone got the scoop? I'm going to get a photograph for him to sign this time.
Is this about selling wine or stoking ego?
Bitter much?
What, about not doping?  No.


Then it must be the delicious wine!
Moser ?!?!