I don't think they're seeing anything close to 3% from Keytones (fwiw). I think the MPCC is upset because keytones are insanely expensive and add another layer to the unfairness of un-capped team budgets.JohnMalcolmson said:https://www.rouleur.cc/blogs/rouleur-performance/ketones-the-wonder-drug-version-2-0Certainly the MPCC must be pissed for a reason. If you could *possibly* get +3% in a TT, and recover like a demon in GTs (and feel better)? All for a 20K outlay for a team? Chuck in some new illegal PED and there's your head and shoulders champion.
I think there are rivers of juice right now; just don’t think it is the keytones. unless keytones are a very effective masking agentJohnMalcolmson said:^ Don't think the complaint from MPCC riders is around budget... Pinot: "the peloton now operates at two speeds”.
maybe a social masking agent. People are talking about ketones rather than the vector-changing goods.Jules said:I think there are rivers of juice right now; just don’t think it is the keytones. unless keytones are a very effective masking agentJohnMalcolmson said:^ Don't think the complaint from MPCC riders is around budget... Pinot: "the peloton now operates at two speeds”.
Big yikes right there“I think for the majority of pro riders in the peloton, the last thing they’re worried about is if someone is doping or not,” the rider told VeloNews. “It’s very rare that we ever question a performance by someone. It [doping] just doesn’t seem necessary anymore to have success in the sport. We trust each other, and we trust the process.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKV1rH3fBT0
After so many years of "hard" drugs like EPO, HGH, Steriods, Clenbuterol, etc it seems almost quaint to bust someone for Tramadol. I have no authority to rank-order the "severity" of any of these drugs but given the speeds the peloton are riding these days, Tramadol seems like a nibble on the toe of the beast.eloy said:I can't even.
Where there is smoke, there is fire. I presume they just weren't as careful about masking the Tramadol as the other drugs.mugwump said:During Quintana's early days in Europe, he had some freakish performances--I think it was a Tirreno-Adriatico stage when he attacked on the final climb in the big ring and made everyone else look like they were out for a spin, another time he did something like a 200km solo for the opening stage of I think Route du Sud--and extraterrestrial seemed fair to apply.
But these past several years, his performances were uneven. Now, he was in the mix for the first time in ages, and he gets busted for Tramadol, which seems designed to only take the edge off of pain, not a vector-altering drug.
It goes hand in hand with "finishing bottles" containing massive amounts of caffeine and other supplements. There are concerns about it causing more crashes but TBH, it does seem like the tip of the iceberg. Weird one to get busted for, for sure.Matt Budofsky said:I was reading up on tramadol's effectiveness, abuse, etc. and it's a kinda weird drug. The most interesting thing I read was that it hasn't been made a banned substance for WADA mainly because there isn't enough abuse of it in sports (obviously cycling was/is very much the outlier in this regard), which just seems so so backwards
