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Orchard Beach Criterium

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This year - May 5th -
Categories for everyone. A really nice park and beach too.

https://www.bikereg.com/Net/18524

I will be doing the 1-2-3 and possibly the 40+. Of course I will be torn about the track clinic happening that morning at Kissena.

Here is a thread from last year, full of pictures: http://kissenacycling.vanillaforums.com/discussion/715/orchard-beach-crit-may-12-2012#latest

Directions:
You can take the 6 to the end of the line, its a short ride (2.5 miles) to the course: BIKE ROUTE MAP

If you are driving, its 40 min to an hour from GAP in Brookyln - make your way to the Whitestone Bridge (or Throgs Neck for the LI crowd), and it is exit 5 for Orchard Beach on the Hutch parkway
Driving Directions


Race Report:
Off the line, end up first into corner one, and two and end up off the front with a nice gap: http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/Orchard-Beach-Criterium-51212/OrchardBeachCriterium5121234/i-Fx6hks4/0/M/8O2T0808-M.jpg

So, I figure, just put my head down and go for a 40 min TT.
I keep going:
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/Orchard-Beach-Criterium-51212/OrchardBeachCriterium5121234/i-pwLKD7d/0/M/8O2T0828-copy-M.jpg

Big guy from Scottos bridges up:
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/Orchard-Beach-Criterium-51212/OrchardBeachCriterium5121234/i-vCHQZsd/0/M/8O2T0846-copy-M.jpg

Still not caught yet:
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/Orchard-Beach-Criterium-51212/OrchardBeachCriterium5121234/i-Sx6jG69/0/M/8O2T0868-copy-M.jpg

Hubbard Blocking:
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/Orchard-Beach-Criterium-51212/OrchardBeachCriterium5121234/i-C9LbJ2w/0/M/8O2T0875-copy-M.jpg

I slide back after being caught and Dan moves up:
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/Orchard-Beach-Criterium-51212/OrchardBeachCriterium5121234/i-GB2v2B8/0/M/8O2T0899-copy-M.jpg

I recover for a while and a solo guy and a small group have gotten away. I float behind Reiners and White for a bit, but just wait a couple of laps until I made it to the front. With some excellent timing, Mike launched a vicious counter attack after that solo and the group had been caught. Unfortunately to no avail.

Another group goes and Whitey is in front of me and jumps on it: http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/Orchard-Beach-Criterium-51212/OrchardBeachCriterium5121234/i-2bcqmCT/0/M/8O2T0993-copy-M.jpg

I block
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/Orchard-Beach-Criterium-51212/OrchardBeachCriterium5121234/i-sFzVkf3/0/M/8O2T1000-copy-M.jpg

From then on, nothing really got away. I stayed at the front, jumped whenever people went, bridged to what looked to be the move after the prime sprint, but nothing. So, it was basically accelerate hard to stay at the head of affairs.

For the last 8 laps I stayed about 5th wheel and we were still all together on the bell lap back stretch and the four guys in front of me slowed down. I had the inside line, but hesitated to be the first to jump (trying to be more patient) and my hesitation cost me as the first to jump would be able to stay away through the sweeping 180 degree turn and down the tailwind finish.

http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/Cycling/Orchard-Beach-Criterium-51212/OrchardBeachCriterium5121234/i-WLLVS5L/0/M/8O2T1123-copy-M.jpg

A great day for the team.
Love the photo essay.

I felt dead all day, but upon analyzing my data the "vicious attack" was pretty good - 7 second power record. But I think I mistimed it. If I had been a little more patient and sat 7-8th wheel through turn 1 and attacked into the headwind before the sweeper I would have had a better chance to use my power a little better.

I felt bad I didn't play a more active role in the finale. I kinda went brain-dead and was totally surprised when we came up to 1 to go, I figured it was more like 4.

Eric proved he can freelance crit sprints, and we should keep that in mind for the upcoming Jersey crit weekend and set him up for some wins.
The photos are like prospect - stay at the front enough and get lots of pics. In the post John made of the Prospect race, I could make out my helmet all over the place, but you couldn't see me!

We can do well in NJ on all three days.

We need to get a head count and start riding together a couple of times. I think it can really help.
Reg'd for the 4/5 race and the 4 race.

I really like this one. Two-corner crit with an arc at the other end. Half the races were won in breaks, half in sprints. Surprisingly good money, if I remember.

Here's the course. Only the very bottom portion of the oval roundabout is used.

http://goo.gl/maps/3qwlv
This is an excellent venue to watch a race unfold. You can see every single part of the course from anywhere on it. It was really fun to see how the P123 race evolved last year (after I got dropped at the whistle).
Why did you disrespect the race like that, Vlad??!
i would like to do this race.  is there anyone driving from brooklyn?  i might skip the 5 and do the 4/5 in order to buy myself another hour and ten minutes of sleep.
I might just ride the subway like I did last year.
bah, looks like subway will take ~2 hours.  but i'll do it if no one is driving and has room!

we can ride the subway together.  safety in numbers.

Hey kids...looking at the registration page, in all caps, red type:

ABSOLUTELY NO DAY OF REGISTRATION UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE

Unless of course you are on Mengoni, then you can, as you did at Grant's Tomb, register whenever the fuck you want.

-end rant. sorry.
Oh, the price goes up soon. Just register now!
i'm reg'd for the 4/5
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this race is coming up.  i am scurrrrred.  first race in a month.  do we attempt to make a plan?  i am racing the 4/5 to get more sleep.  but that means the 4's will be in the race. eeeeeeeek.

anyone got insight on the course? line recommendations a la bertucco's recommendations @ grant's tomb?

looks like: https://www.bikereg.com/NET/Confirmed/18524

Rick Perner
Brendan Rigby (me)
Jeffrey White
The race is on a cigar shaped course. Well the more I look at it, its rather phallic:
http://goo.gl/maps/ZGbcH

It's Park Drive.

Advice - stay near the front, follow moves. Have someone attack and if they are able to stay away for a bit, ride at the front, take the urns a little slower by coasting earlier than you need to and pedalling out of them a it easier than you ordinarily would.

As the race heads towards the last 10 laps, get yourself up towards the top 10 or 15 and stay there.

Last - if its coming down to a sprint - whomever gets into the last turn first has a real advantage as the finish comes up very quickly. If there is a headwind on the homestretch though, you'd be better off second or third wheel around the 180 turn.
wow, that course loop is quite phallic.  i guess i won't be dicking around so much as i'll be rounding a dick?  i digress.

thanks for the advice, mr. ragot.  my race goal is to not shame my team and to have a good time!

messrs white and perner, you guys want to do some pacelining/leadouts in the park this week i could be convinced.  open schedule; exam on friday at 1pm but other than that nothing but studying and can likely meet you whenever works.

Brendan Rigby
(774) 219-4511
rigby.b@gmail.com

this race is coming up.  i am scurrrrred.  first race in a month.  do we attempt to make a plan?  i am racing the 4/5 to get more sleep.  but that means the 4's will be in the race. eeeeeeeek.
FEAR DOES NOT EXIST IN THIS DOJO.

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@Jeffrey White and @Brendan Rigby 

I've got a minivan.  Do you guys want a lift to Orchard Beach?  I'm registered for the 4/5 as well.  Unless of course, you guys really do prefer the subway..  :-)
I LOVE YOU PHILLIP.  yes i want a ride.  

does your van also have candy?  i only get in vans that have candy.

Where should I meet you?  What time? my address: 205 State St. Brooklyn NY 11201. 

Do you have room for me and one non-biker?  Or just 1 me and 1 bike?

Brendan Rigby
(774) 219-4511
rigby.b@gmail.com
@Phillip: Done. Thanks!
I got candy...  hahaha   Since I suck at helping the team so far in races, I figure I'd help this way instead..

I can pick you both up that morning.   I assume @Jeffrey lives in Brooklyn somewhere as well?
I'd like to be at Orchard by 8 the latest (the race starts at 8:40).  Figure 45 mins to get there.  So how about we aim for pick up at your respective abodes between 7 -7:15?

As for space, I see Rick Perner is signed up as well.  If he is still going, and goes with us, then we'll be full.  If he doesn't then feel free to bring someone.  The minivan seats 4, and will fit 4 bikes in the back (or it should anyway).
awesome.  what is your cell phone/e-mail, to better coordinate on the morning of the event?
pmaronilla@gmail.com

917 232 8731

Or smoke signals.
This one goes out to all the cool KCC crit racers out there. Because you don't have to be a square to race the four corners ........

Orchard Beach. Which is -- err -- two corners and a tight-ish curve. How would you win in the following three end games:

1. One Kissena in the winning break of 3-8 guys.
2. Two fast Kissenas near the front with no break away.
3. One fast Kissena near the front with no break away.

Peach trees by the surf, apples in the sun. Orchard Beach.

Thank you.
very jealous of y'all going to orchard beach sunday.

i'll be at the 5 boro bike tour.  by way of strategy, i'm marking this guy.  if he breaks, i'm going with him.
I for one embrace my inner fred.

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My two race reports:

First race (Cats 4/5): Made a two-man break with a Siggy for three laps from 7 to go to 4 to go. Thought I'd be toast after we got caught, but was able to sit in near the front and came into Turn 1 on the bell lap fifth or sixth wheel -- great position to go for it or get Brendan (somewhere in the top 20) to the front by the curve if he showed some good timing. But a visionary criterium theorist executed his radical new strategy of bombing the inside line of Turn 1 at a speed that did not take into account the Newtonian laws of angular acceleration, the shape of the course, or the in-the-box thinkers who took the "actual" line. He found himself riding directly at a bunch of guys on his outside, grabbing a whole mess of brakes, and sending the guy in front of me into the grass -- and me with him. Brendan lucked into being the first wheel able to ride to the inside of the carnage without too much brakes. He got through Turn 2 and muscled up through the gap made by this guy's cute little stunt to the four guys left out front. He got into third, but he rode through such a big stretch of wind that he got jumped in the last 100 and had to settle for fourth. Still, super gutsy and savvy racing. He'll be a hitter in the 4s.

Second race (Cat 4): The first three laps were HOT HOT HOT. RBNY and some collegiate-looking cats applied the heat and didn't let up. I heard dudes were getting shelled off the back, big time. Then on lap three in a strung out field, I hear what sounds like a gunshot a ways back from me. I thought it had to be a tire blow out, but it sounded really "hefty." No, some unattached dude went down in Turn 2. Next time around going slowly, I see him lying on his belly, not moving, with his eyes open. Really fucking scary. I started to think bad things about what that loud pop was. Word got around that his carbon wheel taco'd, but I don't know whether that was the cause of the crash or an effect. Eventually we saw him moving his arms as they put him on the board, and there was a collective sigh of relief in the pack. Multiple laps of neutralization made the field big again and took the impetus out of the tough guys driving it at the start. I lost a lot of position during this lengthy period of neutralization and spent the rest of the race slowly moving up. (Lesson learned.) It was hard to move up and doing so was slow going. I picked my spots to eat some wind and got myself to around 15th wheel going into Turn 1 after the bell. I chose the inside track because we were hauling and I knew that we'd get hit hard by the cross-headwind exiting Turn 2 and I'd be in a good position to crank it all out for the bend on the good side of the wind. Alas, the best laid plans o' mice and men gang aft agley, and an esteemed Siggy's colleague stacked it going into the turn right in front of me. I was somehow able to ride through the maelstrom, but that was it.

Raced OK, I guess, but came up with nothing. My only real regret was not taking longer pulls while I was away in the first race. The dude I had with me, while tough and willing to work, just wasn't putting out enough power. (Isn't that always the story? I bet his write-up on the Siggy's listserv says the same about me.)

Awesome course. Will do Orchard Beach again next year.

Jeff, we used to call that jamoke from your first race "inside/inside/outside/outside dude"

Good heads-up racing!
6th in pro 123 from the break. The win was for the taking. Breech just beat me.