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 @GregHoge , Quinn is clearly previewing your next look !

WINTERTHUR SWITZERLAND SEPTEMBER 29 Quinn Simmons of Team United States prior to the 97th UCI Cycling World Championships Zurich 2024 Mens Elite Road Race a 2739km one day race from Winterthur to Zurich on September 29 2024 in Winterthur Switzerland Photo by Dario BelingheriGetty Images

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Looks like I've got 4 weeks to grow a handlebar mustache and find a wig.  
Looks like he's continuing to copy me.
I agree that no radios and an unwitnessed death of a rider are a bad combo. UCI needs to get it's head out of it's ass, cut the sock length bullshit out and make some changes that actually improve rider safety.

https://velo.outsideonline.com/news/no-witnesses-or-video-of-muriel-furrers-fatal-zurich-worlds-crash/
I heard yesterday that she was left unattended for 1 1/2 hours , only the para Olympic race passing spotted her 
so tragic 
UCI is also getting heat for not DSQ MVdP for riding on the sidewalk for no apparent reason (especially from the Latvian Cycling Federation but they have a vested interest because their guy finished 4th). As all things in the world seem to be a complete and utter mess, at least the UCI being the absolute worst is consistent.
I heard yesterday that she was left unattended for 1 1/2 hours , only the para Olympic race passing spotted her 
so tragic 
That is unspeakably horrible.
UCI is also getting heat for not DSQ MVdP for riding on the sidewalk for no apparent reason (especially from the Latvian Cycling Federation but they have a vested interest because their guy finished 4th). As all things in the world seem to be a complete and utter mess, at least the UCI being the absolute worst is consistent.

Yes , he probably should of been DQ'd , during the actual race , But Really Latvia ?

On a brighter note the litter zone has been a success :)
Jules said:
I heard yesterday that she was left unattended for 1 1/2 hours , only the para Olympic race passing spotted her 
so tragic 
That is unspeakably horrible.
This article does a reconstruction of what happened, Deepl/Google translate might be able to help out. They went looking for her and were at the scene while the para race passed. https://www.blick.ch/fr/sport/autres-sports/ce-que-lon-sait-du-drame-muriel-furrer-a-t-elle-chute-sous-l-il-dautres-cyclistes-id20186263.html

I absolutely do not understand how it's possible that at this level, not every rider has a GPS tracker and crash detection sensors that every Garmin/Apple Watch has these days. Helmets with crash sensors and separate crash sensors have existed for ages too and are not expensive at all.
Jules said:
I heard yesterday that she was left unattended for 1 1/2 hours , only the para Olympic race passing spotted her 
so tragic 
That is unspeakably horrible.
This article does a reconstruction of what happened, Deepl/Google translate might be able to help out. They went looking for her and were at the scene while the para race passed. https://www.blick.ch/fr/sport/autres-sports/ce-que-lon-sait-du-drame-muriel-furrer-a-t-elle-chute-sous-l-il-dautres-cyclistes-id20186263.html

I absolutely do not understand how it's possible that at this level, not every rider has a GPS tracker and crash detection sensors that every Garmin/Apple Watch has these days. Helmets with crash sensors and separate crash sensors have existed for ages too and are not expensive at all.
Perhaps after this we'll get a pro cycling equivalent of Rowan's Law

As if the loss of a child isn't enough her parents will have to spend their lives wondering if only she'd been found earlier. Horrible.
I read somewhere that all World Tour bike have gps so they can be found in the event of a crash, but not U23 bikes
Granted I did not watch the whole thing 
but the women’s world gravel route seemed like they even know what gravel is 
heavier urban course on some canal footpaths , a multi story car park ,
they didn’t even use gravel bikes
Full Gravel Worlds Men's Race:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeN_-gShDE8

Women's Gravel World Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o60QlJIocA
Granted I did not watch the whole thing 
but the women’s world gravel route seemed like they even know what gravel is 
heavier urban course on some canal footpaths , a multi story car park ,
they didn’t even use gravel bikes
So I actually watched the whole race , my previous comments were not right , coarse was really fun 😂 
The full women's Gravel Worlds race:
https://youtu.be/ES7x4E_6fWE
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/stuyven-accuses-belgian-teammates-of-riding-in-support-of-mathieu-van-der-poel-at-gravel-worlds/

I didn't get why the Belgian mens team let van der Poel ride away with Vermeersch.  I thought that when Vermeersch was trading pulls with MvdP, he must be on a great day and will attack him on the final kilometers.  When MvdP went, Vermeersch didn't even accelerate one bit, so the idea he was on a great day was shot.  

The Belgian team had a huge advantage--four of them to cover one MvdP--but they didn't play that game at all.  They should have kept on sending one guy on the attack, draw out MvdP, then sit on him and the group chases back, and then another Belgian attacks.  And repeat the process until the Dutchman is worn out.  Four pretty good guys attacking in succession probably could have blunted his strength to the point that one of them could have finally broken him.  

Considering how popular cycling is in Belgium, how this was their home race, it was shocking that the team didn't win, didn't even come close.  I'd have thought the fear of not winning on home soil would have been incentive enough.  

Maybe MvdP is seen as basically Belgian.  Maybe they understood it was always about the money.  

Stuyven might be complaining because, of that group of four, he was probably the strongest.  He was working harder than the others to get something going after the attack went.  


Good points. Still, don't forget, this is MVdP

-- Belgium did end up with 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th place, so depending on how you look at it, a totally terrible awful day, obvs.
I watched the race and it seemed clear that Hermans was sitting on , but really ,Belgium couldn't chase down Florian Vermeesch ( Who finished 2nd last year also) ,
And yes , its easy to type " make it hard for MVDP , than do it in the real world.
I get all that. but the team direction should have been easy. "don't work with mvdp! sit on!" 

there are plenty of times when a weaker rider should collaborate with a stronger rider. but when you have three riders close behind in a small group is one of those times. that of of the three could likely beat mvdp in a two-up sprint is another good reason.