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GS Mengoni GP

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Didn't see a thread started, only person I see pre'd is Vlad in the p123. Isn't this race a big deal, I may have to drag my ass from suburbia at 4am to make this.  https://www.bikereg.com/Net/15277
Ehhh...yeah sort of. It's a big deal to Mengoni. If I recall correctly, it's the race that they wanted to win so bad a few years ago, that they poached Neil Bedzek from Kissena.

It's nice that this race in the past has a bigger payout, 20-deep, and they actually list all finishers which is a nice thing. Of course, as I look at the registration, they are only paying 10 deep so it's even more like every other park race.

(do you realize that if you race in the parks, your entire career, and never place in the top-10, no one would ever have any record of you ever racing your bike?)

Also nice is the fact that some out of town pros and semi-pros come out for the fun. Last year some Swedish team or some other scandanavian country that was in town for Univest Grand Prix came and raced.

Ultimately though, it's still like a million other park races. Early in the morning, the show is run by Mengoni's, Foundations, We Stand Uniteds, and ultimately too short. I'll probably do it, because I usually do and I do like racing in CP when it's warm out, and it's a relatively good way to get some racing in without too much stress on the new family, but now that I see they are only placing 10 riders, I'm even less enthusiastic than I was.

Tour de Fairhaven, the next day in New Jersey, now there's a race that I enjoy and get a little amped up for...
Might try to sneak this one in, if social life allows
3 or 123?
Cat 3 is sold out. P123 is at 53 out of 100.

Consider registering fairly soon if you want in on this one.
Wow, no cat 4 kissena representation? 
I'm in for the I/2/3 with Vlad.  Anyone joining us?
I'm likely in the 4s - currently 62 entries out of 100. Anyone want to join me for 6 fun laps of CP?
would love to but can't. Out of town.
I'll probably join the 4s
I'm reg'd in the 4s...only 2.5hrs left to register ppl!
reg'd in the 4s - registration closes today (Weds) at noon.
OMG.

Farrar is racing in the 123 field!
Douche
That's Ian Farrar, not Tyler.  Tyler is at the Tour of Utah, so there's no way he'd be able to do both.
Doh! Missed the window and no day-of. Field full anyhow.
I'm out of town on weekends in August. Good luck all.
who's going from BK? anyone want to meet at the BB wicked early?
Vlad, Rene, JP and I are the only Kissena's signed up for meaty looking field at the Mengoni Grand Prix this Saturday. We'll look for moves as always. And if it comes down to it, Rene, I expect will want to unleash the sprint he never got to in last week's canceled PP race. I still sound like a leathery 57-year-old, suntanning booth visiting, 2-pack-a-day smoker, plus I jacked up my wrist pretty bad the other day, so I'll be spectacularly useful as always I expect.

JP informs me that his wife has a thing for his old mesh skin-suit and far be it for me to get in between a man, a woman and their fetish, so it looks like JP and I will be in Kissena "classic" colors. Because we're both 2s, we have to wear the same kit. Vlad and Rene, feel free to wear whichever kit you prefer.
New one.

I'll let the cream of the elite sport the 'classic' colors.

Craig - 4:55am meetup at the BB. Don't be late.

Also, if it's coming down in buckets when I put my foot out the door, then I'm staying home. Otherwise, I'll see you guys there.

This should be a fun one.
4:45 at the BB... can't lose my spot to a wait-lister
4:45 oy - see you there.
I am so happy to be reading this with narry a worry about a 4am wakup tomorrow.

Give 'em hell lads, I'll be drinking to your future success tonight :)
Vlad, Marc, Rene,
The key to a successful break tomorrow is getting the combination right.  Foundation, Champ-Sys, Mengoni have to be represented.  WS United in the presence of Jermaine or Paul.  And, of course, us.

I don't know if Mengoni has the sprinter to win from Ricky and the other fast guys.  I think they'll be trying to work the breaks.  Champ-Sys's sprinter is Colin Jaskewiecz, he's fast, but not sure if he can win from a slow sprint, so they have to be attacking--and if that fails, I'm expecting them to do a real hard leadout.

Stay close to the front so you don't get gapped our crashed out, watch for the combinations.  If it's wet, first priority is to stay out of trouble.

I'll be ready to do my thing in the final miles either solo or people with me.  Get ready to move up.  My feeling is it's better to be too early on the sprint than saving it for too late.  
I'll be ready to do my thing in the final miles either solo or people with me.  Get ready to move up.  My feeling is it's better to be too early on the sprint than saving it for too late.  
For chriss-sakes, I hate when JP does this, so will someone just ride his wheel the last few miles, so it's not a total waste? He'll be at the front in those closing Ks, we just need someone to finish it off!
Tough racing in the Brazilian Rain Forest that is currently central park. So incredibly humid. In the 1/2/3s we had JP, Vlad, Rene and myself. Stacked field. Including all the Foundation "A" riders who have been traveling around to race and been placing in the national crit series events.

Fast start, JP and Vlad I'm sure will download some impressive numbers to start. I was/am feeling like a big pile of dog poo lately, but I used my knowledge of the course and spinning leg speed to keep up with the action for a few laps before a strung out section on the west side rollers left me exposed, weak and coughing up a delightful assortment of crunchy phlegmy bits that have been living in my lungs the past 10 days.

Watching the final few laps from the sidelines with fellow OTB-er, Craig, Kissena looked pretty good. Aly was comfortably at the front of the cat 4 peloton, Malcolmson the same in his cat 3 field, and during a dangerous break-away attempt, Rene was in the first chase group and driving hard, with JP at the front of the main 1/2/3 pack ready to react after Rene's move resolved.

In the end though, we didn't place anyone. :-(
for the 1/2/3's
1. 13:46.15 26.4
2. 12:44.13 28.3
3. 13:07.99 27.5
4. 12:49.00 28.3
5. 13:08.75 27.7
6. 13:22.00 27.0
7. 12:31.00 29.0

1:31:29. average speed 27.7mph

Fast.  I saw quite a bit of Rene, who was positioning himself well a good portion of the time.  I was surprised that Vlad wasn't up there, too. (V, you've got the power, come on up and join us).

I didn't position myself as well as I would have liked, but I did get in a good dig on lap 4.  Breach drove hard into the bottom of 110berg with the field already strung out.  Behind, Ariel of Champ-Sys was dropping anchor, not sure if he was choosing to slow down or couldn't go any faster.  It created a gap and about 10 riders ahead by a few seconds (he had only one guy ahead, and there were two mengonis and I think two foundations).  I jumped past Ariel, closed to the back of the group before the top, got to the front by the bottom and kept going.  I was solo until around 93rd street, when I hear Gavi of Champ-Sys yelling out my name.  Not quite fast enough to get on him.  Bummer, as by 89th, on the downhill, Guzman of Foundation blows by without warning, wasn't getting on him.  Had some  help from a BH rider and we kept the field at by for a little while longer, I think until around 72nd.  Ouch.  

Rene got in what looked promising as we got two to go by the finish line.  I had initially started to go, but when I saw him dart out, I figured I'd see if I could give them a gap, so I eased at the front for a bit, and then got passed.  It was just the kind of move that could hang out there and slowly pull away.  Rene eventually fell off, the group was reabsorbed.

Possibly the most dangerous move of the race occurred the penultimate time up 110berg.  We were going kind of hard, and a few guys blew up just before the left-hand curve.  Cesar of Mengoni was in front of me and the guy blowing up was in front of him; we were all on the edge of the jogger's lane.  Cesar dove left into the lane as the curve started.  This caused me to swerve and brake and he went through the lane and got across the gap.  I had to accelerate and take the proper line.  20 guys up the road and if an attack were on, that could have been it.  I did everything I could to get to them, and then they sat up around 95th street--and I bet most people made it back on.  

Last lap,  I thought I was out of position for good around West 85th, but I followed two Jordan riders as they moved up on the right.  By 74th street, the guys at the front sat up and the field was closing in on a single BH rider.  Momentum took me to the front.  I probably should have attacked there for the absurd chance of taking a small group to the finish.  But I hesitated and rode tempo in the hopes someone would come around and I'd be able to slot in about 10 back.  Didn't happen.  I was out of position for the sprint.  

I was surprised by Foundation's tactics, as well as Champ-Sys.  Both teams are basically national-level programs with guys who work part-time and focus on racing  Both have guys who are at the top of the USA Crits series overall standings.  Champ-Sys: Gavi-5th, Colin-6th, Tony-14th. Foundation has Euris-3rd, Rafael-7th, Dan 15th, Alejandro 17th.  Neither team figured strongly in the finale.  I would have thought both teams would have drilled it in the final three miles to keep the local sprinters at bay.  Rafael was 9th, Colin 12th across the line, but given 11th, because 11th placed Euris was relegated for some reason.

Mengoni won with Cesar, took third with augusto and 5th with Scott Savory.  Second was Amaury Perez, fourth, the sole pro, Adam Myerson.  

Funny thing from post-race.  Colin was saying he's "too small" to compete with the bigger riders in the city.  By that, he meant not bulky enough--he's about 6' but could be mistaken for a climber.  But this is why I would have flgured Champ-Sys and Foundation would have made the finale even faster--if they had strung out the final  miles, park sprinters like those who did well wouldn't have had a chance to do much.
I was surprised that Vlad wasn't up there, too. (V, you've got the power, come on up and join us).


I want to be up there. I was in pretty good position on the last lap, but I know I could have done a better job on the previous ones. I'm just starting to learn how to maneuver in these fields and at these speeds. The progress I've made, albeit slow, is encouraging and I'm looking forward to consistently being able to throw down on the pointy end. I'm working on it and I'll be up there sooner than later.
As Marc mentioned, I was OTB and joined him watching the final laps. The race was generally uneventful, with the exception of the crash 2 bikes in front of me on lap 2 in the curves just before museum mile. Sure gets the adrenaline going. Aly was up front the whole time, mixing it up and taking pulls at the front. I stayed in the front half of the field the whole time until I popped. On lap 3 I was fine going up HH though the field never let up after it, and I got popped in the rollers somewhere near 96th st. 

The obvious thing is that course knowledge in CP is critical. I kept wondering if the road turned right or left up ahead so as to figure out the best position. Sometimes I got it right and others not. 

Afterwards, John, Aly, Vlad and I rolled over to John's favorite bakery Levain and had a delicious brioche with the guys. I stayed away from the chocolate brioche because I hadn't earned it.

As I told Marc I viewed this as a $35 training session. I keep thinking that I'm done with my road racing season and then think of other races to ride such as: the Kissena Club race and the Tour of Basking Ridge since I did it last year and it's fun for the family.

We'll see how I feel when I'm back from vacation.
Oh one last thing, getting up at 4am sucks.