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Harlem Skyscraper Classic

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I did the Masters 40+ and David Vibert did the men's fixed-gear.  I'll let David comment on his race.

In the Masters, I figured that without a team and with little desire to wait for a field sprint, I needed to be aggressive.  I expected that Edwin Morel would be on fire and Jerry Kapko would be strong, and I wanted to be up the road for them to bridge to me rather than waiting for them. 61 starters.

Fate threw in a surprise as Rahsaan Bahati, ex pro, former national champion, and someone who is still in the business of being fast, lined up.  He's fresh meat, a 41 year-old still doing well in pro-ams.  He suddenly became the guy to watch, and the expectation that people would wait to react to him.

I put in an early attack, which gained me a gap and then the field brought me back.  I settled in, and then there was a crash coming out of turn two a few laps in.  Glad I missed it, but it scattered the field with me having to chase down a sudden 10-second gap.  I got little help, other than from the officials who signaled for the front to slow down, which they sort of did.

I was trying to pick moments when a small break was absorbed, or just starting to stabilize, and choosing to go shortly before corners so I could get in front, take my preferred line at a high speed and exit quickly in the hope it would help me gain a gap.

On three subsequent attacks, I picked up riders who then couldn't help, and was reabsorbed.  

In the final laps, with a four-man break seemingly just beyond the range of catching, I was waiting to make a late move, late enough that the field might be discouraged to chase until getting the bell.  

Made the move a bit before three to go, had two guys with me, but my legs, and theirs, weren't strong enough to carry on at the speed we needed.  

We were re-absorbed less than a lap later.  

I didn't seem to have much trouble getting gaps, but my power was ebbing faster than I expected.  I need more race-pace efforts in training.  

I tucked in, trying to stay behind trouble but to test if I had enough in my legs to contest such field sprints in the future.  I don't think we went into the field sprint particularly fast.

I was 39th.  the first four were 27 seconds ahead of the field.  Jerry Kapko 3rd, Edwin Morel 5th, Rahsaan Bahati 6th.  

https://www.strava.com/activities/9297659330
Good to know that Edwin could beat Bahati, makes me feel a bit more ok about Saturdays PP gap
@DavidVibert FYI since you're signed up for the race this year!
Anyone else doing this this year? It's the day after the next Verge series race, which I'm also planning on doing. This sounds fun, but from what I have seen on YT previously, it also seems like a crash fest. 
Go for it Blake! I've done it exactly once as a cat5 and got my ass handed to me. The skills and fitness involved are very very different from a park race.
Do it!
Bump!

It's coming up Father's Day, June 16, 2024

https://www.bikereg.com/harlemskyscrapercyclingclassic
Bump!

I strongly recommend either racing or spectating.  

https://www.bikereg.com/harlemskyscrapercyclingclassic
@BlakeFoster I am signed up for it, also planning to do verge the day prior 
I unfortunately can't make it even as a spectator. Highly encourage going even just to spectate if you can!
I’m racing the Harlem 4/5 road race on Sunday at 10am. There’s 70 people signed up on bike reg for my field, and 50+ for the earlier AM 4/5 race. I’m not sure how it’s gonna go with fields that large.

I see Max signed up in my field as well.

I’ve raced Harlem fixed gear the last two years and this will be my first time racing a road field there. It’ll also be my first road race of the season. I like flat fast courses and Floyd Bennett is my favourite race.

The first time I did Harlem it was on the USA Crits schedule and teams like Legion were there. The vibe is consistently really fun and I highly reccomend.
Stay towards the front (but not on the front) to stay out of trouble.  If you do happen to crash or get caught up, don't forget that you get a free lap.  Get over to the pit, fixed up, and ready to get back out there.

Good luck fellas!
Max's Harlem report

Harlem Skyscraper Crit

"This was my first ever crit race, legs were feeling a bit heavy today, but goal was to just stick to the front and see what happens.  Pretty much executed that, maybe staying too far up in some spots and eating wind.  Coming into last few laps, had to help chase down a break which we closed, but then with two to go a guy countered and got a solid gap, picked it up to close but at that point I knew I didn't have it in me.  Pushed as hard as I could to stay with the chase but was on the tail end of it across the line. Sat at an average of 180 BPM for 25 mins  s

 Overall a very good experience. Outside of some positioning stuff, I cornered well, didn't ever need to brake and didn't get caught in the two crashes that happened.  12th or 13th place.  I think about 50ish riders started, and 29 finished"


I caught the first 15 minutes of the race.  Max was positioning himself really well, often 4-6 riders back, never more than 12 back.  yes, he was eating more wind then if he had been a bit further back, but he was definitely in a safe zone, which is a plus.  Yes, a slightly smarter strategy might have been to be 12-15 rider back early to have a little more strength for the last move and the last few laps, but it also carries some risks.
  
Didn't seem like alot of attacking, which was weird, as several squads had at least a few riders apiece.  

Next up, the State Championship Crit at Grant's Tomb.  We're looking good, at least based on the last few races.  Let's get on a roll here.  
My Harlem report:
I lined up with Max and it was fun to race with another Kissena! I had a little trouble clipping in at the beginning and so was starting at the back of the bunch. I tried working my way forward but couldn’t quite work my through, got stuck at the back of the bunch and gradually got more tired and started drifting further and further back, and soon got separated, ate a lot of wind, and after five laps or ten minutes or so got pulled. This is one of my favorite courses and races, so it was a bummer, NGL

This month, I’m in the best riding shape and weight I’ve been in for years and I’m putting down record power numbers (for me) and section PRs at Weis laps, but it feels like I’m just not very good at racing. 
@DavidVibert you and I both but the best way to get better at racing is more racing! 
@DavidVibert @BlakeFoster

I don't know how much group riding either of you do, but sometimes the difference is being comfortable being uncomfortable.  Which is to write, riding super-close to others and going at what isn't quite a normal pace, either slower or faster, and being able to focus on keeping with the group rather than other factors.  

So, if you can manage to come out for what is often known as a 'spirited group ride' in a park, and do everything to hang, and when that fails, stop and wait for the group to come around again.  
Registration for this is up: https://www.bikereg.com/harlemskyscrapercyclingclassic

What’s the deal with the fundraiser part, do we do this as a team?
Registration for this is up: https://www.bikereg.com/harlemskyscrapercyclingclassic

What’s the deal with the fundraiser part, do we do this as a team?
What fundraiser part?

These look like straight up races from here, altho I would consider emailing the promoter before registering, not sure why but the races appear to be scheduled for Friday June 13, rather than the traditional father's day Sunday (June 15)
eloy said:
Registration for this is up: https://www.bikereg.com/harlemskyscrapercyclingclassic

What’s the deal with the fundraiser part, do we do this as a team?
What fundraiser part?

These look like straight up races from here, altho I would consider emailing the promoter before registering, not sure why but the races appear to be scheduled for Friday June 13, rather than the traditional father's day Sunday (June 15)
It won’t let you register unless you select one of these options. I’ve emailed them also, including to questions the date.


Highly recommend racing or spectating Harlem Skyscraper. It is one of the funnest races atmospheres!
I'm registering this year, looking forward to it. I created a KCC fundraising team, will figure out what that means later. :) 
Race date was updated and confirmed for Sunday, June 15th (as expected).
Just signed up for the 4/5 @10am (there are 2 options for the 4/5, 8:45am & 10am).
I am also in for the later 4/5
@BlakeFoster Fancy switching to the 10am with Max & I?
@KevinWomack thinking about it 
This was a fun and interesting one.  Lined up with Kevin for the 2nd field of the 4/5, I think we had 65ish starters?  The rain had stopped by the time we were racing, but the road was still pretty wet.  About 7 minutes into the race, the guy in front of me fishtailed into a turn, I grabbed brake too hard and slid myself out.  Quick assessment and no major injuries so grabbed my head unit that had ripped off the mount and popped over to neutral service to get my steerer sorted and hoods knocked back into place before re-joining.

This past week I've felt a bit off in training, and was already feeling gassed by 15 minutes.  Found myself at the front a few times when I didn't need to be, and was forced to close down a few small break attempts which really hurt.  Things eased up with about 3 laps to go as everyone was trying to conserve some energy for the finish. At this point I had solid position that I held well, but coming out of turn 4 I didn't have the best line, had to scrub some speed, and you know the rest.  It didn't help that my legs were also lead bricks by this point.  Ended up holding on for 9th, I think only about 30-35 people finished the race.

My derailleur hanger must have gotten slightly bent in the crash, or the indexing got messed up, but wasn't until after the race when I shifted into my easier gears that I heard a loud jumble of noise and looked down to see my derailleur torn off.  Train back to brooklyn and dropped the bike off at the shop-hoping they can just replace the cage and hanger.
congrats on the top 10! hope the bike is all good and you get it back soon 
Cat 4/5 Race Report
  • Lined up with Max at the front of the start line and we had our own photographer for a bit, will try to source these
  • I'd made sure I mentioned to Max & Blake before about my lack of sleep and generally having no time to train, just incase I had another below par performance
  • Max & I's plan was "to stay at the front" & pretty sure we were in the top 10 for the first few laps and most of the race
  • Staying in the front was the right plan, heard a lot of crunching from behind and later on someone go into the railings
  • A few break attempts but nothing got further than half a block/straight, so never out of sight
  • Took most of the lines inside, pedaling through but noticed a lot of other riders were not pedaling through and cruising round the corners, maybe they were being more cautious because of the conditions
  • Chased a break attempt and found myself at the front for 1/2 a lap and man that was hard, it was into the wind, pulled off and settled in again. Burnt a match here I didn't need to
  • Didn't have great positioning going into the last lap, maybe around 15th, it felt pretty spread out
  • Picked up a few places on the last straight to make 11th

Looks like 63 started, only 29 finished.. Some other teams had some good representation numbers wise e.g. Pedal Power & Major Taylor but I didn't really notice them too much. Odd so many didn't finish as I don't think we lapped anyone....

Great representation with Blake being up there in his race also. Grant's Tomb is in a couple of weeks!
Video from Jason Atkins

https://youtu.be/9rk-BQrp9lc?si=oHyzNs3P7plIuiHq

(How do you post a vid and include the player/image?)