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Harlem Skyscraper Classic

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I checked last years race.  The women were paid 10 places deep for 18 finishers.  The men 10 places for 55.  The women's winner beat 1/3 of the number of people the men's winner did.  55% of the women were paid prize money.  18% of the men were.

Where is there equal work for equal pay in that scenario?

If you look at the masters, they had 41 finishers for 5 places and $500.  The 3/4 had 62 finishers for 5 places and 500.  

eloy said:
I find it hard to believe that if the right person was in charge , this could be a race with the profile of ..........dare I say it ....no , the Rapha Nocturne in London
Fully agree, I am blown away by the absolute lack of promotion/branding/advertising of a location that could rival the RHC or, yes, the Rapha Nocturne. What a shame. 
The Brompton Worlds are going on with the race as well.

And no publicity whatsoever.

http://bicycletimesmag.com/brompton-world-championship-will-come-to-harlem-skyscraper-cycling-classic/
Vandivort chimes in...

IT'S TIME TO SAVE THE HARLEM SKYSCRAPER CRITERIUM

by matthew vandivort

https://www.tobedetermined.cc/journal/2017/6/its-time-to-save-the-harlem-skyscraper-criterium

Wow, didn't realize the promoter cut 1k out of the women's purse the day of the race. What bullshit.
eloy said:
Vandivort chimes in...

IT'S TIME TO SAVE THE HARLEM SKYSCRAPER CRITERIUM

by matthew vandivort

https://www.tobedetermined.cc/journal/2017/6/its-time-to-save-the-harlem-skyscraper-criterium


I find it a little...odd...that Vandivort failed to point out that his own club has been running club races on the same day as Harlem for several years.  

I don't know how many starters or which fields they had this year, but last year, they had a Men's A, B, C, and Women's.  

That might have something to do with it.



eloy said:
Vandivort chimes in...

IT'S TIME TO SAVE THE HARLEM SKYSCRAPER CRITERIUM

by matthew vandivort

https://www.tobedetermined.cc/journal/2017/6/its-time-to-save-the-harlem-skyscraper-criterium

@eloy,
    Considering your ample criticism of Harlem, and your boosterism of RHC in the early days, perhaps you should consider pitching in to help.  RHC is set, for a few years anyways.
mugwump said:
eloy said:
Vandivort chimes in...

IT'S TIME TO SAVE THE HARLEM SKYSCRAPER CRITERIUM

by matthew vandivort

https://www.tobedetermined.cc/journal/2017/6/its-time-to-save-the-harlem-skyscraper-criterium


I find it a little...odd...that Vandivort failed to point out that his own club has been running club races on the same day as Harlem for several years.  

I don't know how many starters or which fields they had this year, but last year, they had a Men's A, B, C, and Women's.  

That might have something to do with it.
I find all the behavior of CRCA "odd" to say the least. They ran HRC for ages then let it wither, only to rant about said withering.

They also run "closed" women's races to try and keep a monopoly on women racing.



They also run "closed" women's races to try and keep a monopoly on women racing.

Jules, women's development series races are open to all. CRCA women race for free.
I don't what you are all dithering about...The Harlem Crit's stock is rising...the folding bike category is going to change EVERYTHING

https://www.facebook.com/NYSBRA/posts/1575508809135130

NYSBRA Statement on Prize List Parity

NYSBRA is aware of the circumstances surrounding this past weekend’s Harlem Skyscraper Criterium, where the race director reduced the Women’s P123 prize list at or immediately before the start of their race. Reduction of prize lists in this manner is in violation of USAC policy, and NYSBRA is currently working with USAC and the race promoter to investigate this issue.

NYSBRA believes prize list parity is a vital component to providing quality bicycle racing in New York State. So in addition, NYSBRA is currently reviewing its existing race permitting guidelines, as well as creating Race Director Best Practices, to enable race directors in NY to have the resources needed to commit to providing high quality and equitable race experiences for our members in a sustainable manner.

-NYSBRA Board



They also run "closed" women's races to try and keep a monopoly on women racing.

Jules, women's development series races are open to all. CRCA women race for free.
That is relatively new, and has not been super consistent. It was only a coupe of seasons ago they were using it as leverage to try and get Kissena to join CRCA as a sub team.



^ I wrote back something like, "yeah it's a shame - why aren't they open races?"
https://www.facebook.com/NYSBRA/posts/1575595605793117

Press Release: Update on Harlem Skyscraper Criterium Women’s Prize List

This past weekend, the Harlem Skyscraper Criterium’s Women’s P123 prize list was reduced at or immediately before the start of their race. Reduction of prize lists in this manner contravenes USAC policy.

Members of the NYSBRA Board collaborated with representatives of USA Cycling, in recommending to organizers of the Harlem Skyscraper Cycling Classic, that this decision be reversed. Richard Cox, Race Director has agreed to do so, and the originally advertised prize list will be paid out in full to the appropriate racers in attendance.

NYSBRA is pleased with the outcome of these discussions, and looks forward to working with USAC and the Harlem Skyscraper Cycling Classic to ensure continued prize list parity and the success and longevity of this beloved New York City event.

-NYSBRA Board


Yeah that
and this is how that went down...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO8zb5DG_gM
Jules said:
Wow, didn't realize the promoter cut 1k out of the women's purse the day of the race. What bullshit.
Yeah, USAC told him he'd be liable for the 1k and plenty more, so he backed down.

I truly don't understand why anybody would torch their professional reputation for 1k bucks. He's never going to live that down, and now anyone who he ever wants to work with knows exactly what kind of ethics he has.

So bizzarre.
If you hold a race....racers will come...remember the Spring Series?
Its really about making extraordinarily dumb decisions. "Pay 3/4 men
1500$"...
https://www.bikereg.com/harlem-skyscraper-cycling-classic0
Anyone!?!?!? Thinking about signing up for the 4s.  If I can get over this head cold sometime soon...
Hey @ErikPfiffner I’ll be there, but I’m a Cat 5. This will actually be my first road race.
I"ll be there in the pro/am.  Should be pretty fast; it's part of the USA Crits series for both pro men and women.  

Good spectating for those not racing.
Great spectating. 
Jules said:
Great spectating. 
Sorry for not selling better.

Here's the USA Crits series website so you can see what pro teams should be there
harlem skyscraper criterium pro race (men's and women's)
http://usacrits.com/

Here's the mens pro finish from 2008, one of the last times it was a big money event. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Nwsd6a_2s
^ if I remember right that's Kissena alum Alyosha making the "O" face there at the finish :)


That was a crazy finish. Also seeing Mr Vanishing Twin doing leadout duty in a crit. 

Bananas!
Results?
JP still racing with the pros
JP still racing with the pros
Finished.
got gapped off by a crash between three and two to go.
will report more later.

This was a fun race! I got my first road race in the books so you guys may see me around a little more.