Aug 08, 2014 at 08:49 PM
^this is not the thread you are looking for.
Tactics, not training
#hugs
Training to Race: Faster, Stronger, Awesomer
Aug 08, 2014 at 08:53 PM
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Aug 21, 2014 at 02:27 AM
Well here she is. That is a pretty fast solo century...only stopped twice...once for yogourt & once for Dr. Pepper
Aug 21, 2014 at 02:16 PM
Yacks - did you ride with anyone?
Aug 21, 2014 at 03:56 PM
Kudos (as Strava said).
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Aug 21, 2014 at 05:43 PM
twoyacks said:Well here she is. That is a pretty fast solo century...only stopped twice...once for yogourt & once for Dr. PepperYou stopped off to see a doctor ?
Aug 21, 2014 at 07:42 PM
just got an email message from the Peaks Coaching Group with a link to two CX workouts. they look interesting enough to possibly make up for not having a Wednesday Worlds training race.
Aug 21, 2014 at 08:22 PM
Yacks - did you ride with anyone?Nope...just got in the drops for 5 hours...my neck and my mind were the only things that started to fail me. I must have compromised my immune system with the effort as I am now sick as a dog.
Aug 22, 2014 at 12:09 PM
One of my worst/favorite workouts this morning, thought I would share:
3 minutes maximum
3 minutes maximum
3 minutes rest
2 minutes maximum
2 minutes rest
1 minute maximum
1 minute rest
3 minutes maximum
3 minutes rest
2 minutes maximum
2 minutes rest
1 minute maximum
ride home all wobbly and lie on the floor trying to remember what country you are in.
#goodtimes
Aug 22, 2014 at 12:19 PM
A little part of my head exploded when I learned that a) there was possibly a training issue that was keeping JP from contesting a full cross season and b) he might have found a workout that might get him over that hurdle.mugwump said:just got an email message from the Peaks Coaching Group with a link to two CX workouts. they look interesting enough to possibly make up for not having a Wednesday Worlds training race.
Jules, looking at your workout makes me wince. But it is missing the crucial element that JP loves. Capital L. Namely that the previously posted one, includes a focus on multiple energy systems in a single workout.
Patrick asked with wise owls at Cycle-Smart about this sort of thing and we ultimately didn't get a straight answer. I think they got side-tracked in the middle of answering the question. I think I'm going to shoot Al Donahue an email re-asking this question.
Aug 22, 2014 at 01:05 PM
Somehow Jules, my guys and I would rather your workout that the ones we've done:
3x 2min, 1 min rest
3x1min, 1 min rest
3x30s, 1 min rest
between each set, recover until ready to go.
I've also done up to 6 2 min efforts and usually go two sets of 3 for the 1 min efforts. The 30s efforts easily build to two sets of 3 or even just a straight up set of 6.
I will say that I've seen blue tinges on the white stripes in the park and sometimes just have to wait quite a long time until I'm ready for the next set. All depends on the buildup to these workouts.
Universally, legs are squiggly and a certain amount of ugh sets in. But, it only lasts for three weeks with twice a week workouts!
The three minute ones are really tough though. You have a total of 12m of anaerobic in there - really tough.
Cheers
Jules said:One of my worst/favorite workouts this morning, thought I would share:
3 minutes maximum3 minutes rest2 minutes maximum2 minutes rest1 minute maximum1 minute rest3 minutes maximum3 minutes rest2 minutes maximum2 minutes rest1 minute maximumride home all wobbly and lie on the floor trying to remember what country you are in.#goodtimes
Aug 22, 2014 at 07:24 PM
^I picked one out of many because I happened to have done it today. There are many paths to the top of the mountain, and many more ways to suffer. Obviously I wasn't suggesting this as a core or staple or a "secret sauce" just that it hurts a lot and after I check the numbers I can tell where I am fitness wise.
@Marc this session was only part of my ride today. I also did a chunk at threshold and plenty of EM with it. All of it was effectively warm-up to the main show though.
Aug 22, 2014 at 07:32 PM
Oh, and yeah. Whenever I see numbers like "11" for my recovery lap, I'm pretty certain there wasn't much more juice in that rock...eragot said:The three minute ones are really tough though. You have a total of 12m of anaerobic in there - really tough.
Aug 22, 2014 at 09:22 PM
D'oh, I've been doing it all wrong. I've been doing threshold and these types of intervals on separate days, not same day.
BTW getting back in the saddle after a few weeks worth of sporadic riding and fatting out (aka Maine seafood) is really, really tough.
BTW getting back in the saddle after a few weeks worth of sporadic riding and fatting out (aka Maine seafood) is really, really tough.
Aug 23, 2014 at 12:30 AM
I was not suggesting that there was only one way to skin a cat. I was just sharing a color altering work out that was similar. I hope you enjoyed it
Aug 23, 2014 at 12:37 AM
When I do the workout Ragot speaks of, I don't go "maximum" on the first ones. I measure them so that I can have just enough left for good anaerobic power at the end of the workout too. Of course 400 watts feels way different on the first interval than it does on the last.
I wonder, Jules - do you keep it under control at the beginning or were you effectively doing a series of short TTs? Either looks hard but if it's the latter than that really would be a nasty workout.
Aug 23, 2014 at 07:39 AM
I'm aiming for maximum average power for each interval. The point isn't to make the averages from different efforts similar to one another; it's to go as deep as possible and try to recover.
Obviously the second 3 minute interval is a crime scene, but I get progressively stronger on the second half.
(I don't think there is a way to make it "nastier" than how I'm doing it - but by all means feel free to try both and share 
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Aug 28, 2014 at 04:57 PM
After a pretty intense block of training I have come within a dozen watts of my lifetime best 5 minute power.
Because #greedy I emailed my coach and immediately asked what I need to do for those final 15-20 watts.
His reply?
SLEEP MOAR.
Just thought I'd share this tidbit of #wisdom with you all before I collapse into a heap of laughter at the prospect of wringing more hours of sleep from a life with three little kids.
Sep 22, 2014 at 02:59 PM
Sep 22, 2014 at 05:51 PM
"That was also the year Jittery Joe’s didn’t pay their sponsorship, the team nearly folded, and I took over completely as the manager to save the team."Jules said:
It's taken him four years to acknowledge this publicly. I still don't understand why the team, screwed by a sponsor, was afraid to take that sponsor to task. I heard, "we don't want to alienate potential sponsors..." As if having a sponsor bail on you again is a sign you're running your business well. And JJ's was taking advantage of tehir bike connection for business.
Sep 22, 2014 at 06:00 PM
Wait, Jittery Joe's has been a team up until last year? I could have sworn that team was gone about 5 years ago and Adam was running Smart-Stop Mountain Khakis?
Sep 22, 2014 at 07:09 PM
That doesn't seem too odd to me; like trashing a company you no longer work for, or a bad former boss - it's often seen as a liability to future potential partners.mugwump said:"That was also the year Jittery Joe’s didn’t pay their sponsorship, the team nearly folded, and I took over completely as the manager to save the team."Jules said:It's taken him four years to acknowledge this publicly. I still don't understand why the team, screwed by a sponsor, was afraid to take that sponsor to task. I heard, "we don't want to alienate potential sponsors..." As if having a sponsor bail on you again is a sign you're running your business well. And JJ's was taking advantage of tehir bike connection for business.
Sep 22, 2014 at 08:11 PM
because firing your support staff and cutting the pay of your riders while your former client reaps the benefits of your work with his logo on your clothing free of charge makes so much sense.Jules said:That doesn't seem too odd to me; like trashing a company you no longer work for, or a bad former boss - it's often seen as a liability to future potential partners.mugwump said:"That was also the year Jittery Joe’s didn’t pay their sponsorship, the team nearly folded, and I took over completely as the manager to save the team."Jules said:It's taken him four years to acknowledge this publicly. I still don't understand why the team, screwed by a sponsor, was afraid to take that sponsor to task. I heard, "we don't want to alienate potential sponsors..." As if having a sponsor bail on you again is a sign you're running your business well. And JJ's was taking advantage of tehir bike connection for business.
I'm not suggesting they go out and trash their client. Working for free after a client broke his contract is a bad business model. If they had simply sued JJ's for breach of contract, word would have gotten out.
It could have been tremendously beneficial. Another sponsor could have stepped up. They could have tried a crowdfunding angle and asked people to take the $ the people would ahve paid to Jittery Joes to send to the team. They could have tried to use it for their advantage.
Sep 24, 2014 at 06:13 PM
Proof that mileage and addiction do not necessarily go together.
Sep 24, 2014 at 06:54 PM
Hmm, according to sports psychologists and their 6 point list, I am addicted to cycling.
Are there meetings for this, that may involve beer and racing tactics?
Sep 24, 2014 at 07:41 PM
Hello, my name is Yang, and I'm addicted to Kissena's message forums.
Sep 24, 2014 at 08:05 PM
Did you admit that you are powerless over Kissena's message forums and your life has become unmanageable??
Sep 24, 2014 at 08:31 PM
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Sep 24, 2014 at 08:31 PM
Screw it - comment:
Sep 24, 2014 at 10:50 PM
FUCK...I'm off the podium again...