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2012 Spring Series Park Racing

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Post race report.

OUCH OUCH OUCH. Two days of hard racing I can feel it in my legs. I spent much of the race patroling the front, and put in a couple of big digs trying to either bridge or drag the stacked breakaway back, but when you've got Scotto and Montecci both in the break, and blocking hard, it was very hard to get a chase organized. Once we got neutralized by the passing 123 field it was over except for the sprint fireworks for places 5-8.

I discussed with Scotto guys that they should do their best to string it out for the last lap, and keep it safe in the sprint. We were not going to catch the break so their guy was safe. They sounded like they were going to do that, and proceeded to do none of it. Both Jim and I were well positioned in the sprint near the temple, but ended up getting boxed in or pushed to the front by the parking lot. Once the sprint started in earnest and there were 20 guys going for four spots, I decided to sit up and stay upright. Ouch it hurt to race that hard two days in a row.
Eric Vlad and I lined up for the pro123 series finale this morning. With a win and a 3rd place, I was in in 12th place overall in the 123 series. A result today would have put me into the top 10. I figured I'd take a crack at it.

The race was hard. It was a smallish field (maybe 50+ guys) and it was hard all day. Not steady hard, but sharp hard moves, chases, attacks, and then big slow downs. About midway through the race, a good looking breakaway was moving up the hill and I was out of position. Eric got straight to the front and pulled the field a little closer and then told me to go. I bridged across hard, starting at GAP, and finally catching the group at the start of the downhill. This was just soon enough to find out that a team sommerville bike shop guy was fucking up the rotation and slowing things down, while Sommerville guys were chasing behind. We were caught by the bottom of the downhill.

I kept near the front and race hard. Really hard. Vlad patrolled near the front and helped me out, and Eric did the same until he flatted. Brian Breech was working hard to get away and the Sommerville guys wouldn't give him an inch. At one point, near the top of the hill, we had a gap (I think me, brian, tad, and someone else, plus a Sommerville guy), and the sommerville guy starts yelling "that's all you fucking got, let's fucking go, come on man" at Brian. It was bizarre and totally dickheadish.

The race came together for the spring, Vlad tried to get my in position but things got sketchy as we passed an ambulance before the finish. I probably got something like 20-25th.

After coffee, rolling through prospect on the way home, I saw 2 Sommerville guys in handcuffs courtesy of the NYPD. I wanted to stop and take a picture and tell them that is what they deserve for racing like dicks, but I figured gloating at someones NYPD misfortune can only bring bad karma. So I just smiled to myself and rolled home.

A big thanks to Eric and Vlad for coming out to do the 2-race weekend with me. It was fun. Brief look at the data:

(ignore intervals 1-2-3-4)
The second race of the weekend hurt. Wished I could have been there to lead Mike out as I had the short pop, not the long stuff and was starting to feel better. Cest la vie.
Crits are coming up soon and so is a rest week!

This is amusing in that My hard efforts were pretty much all on the hill as compared to Mike's which were on the flats. Notice the average speed for these. So, you can tell when I hit the gas:
handcuffs!?
Posted By: dstokeshandcuffs!?
my guess is it had nothing whatsoever to do with bike racing. probably riding backwards and mouthed off or didn't have ID or something.
29april2012
nySBRS final race, cat5; 8laps(26.5mi), prospect park.

brief race report:
2nd race of w-end, a weeBit warmer 42d F, dry, sun.

full field +50riders &sammiT(leader by a mile of points), if i win could capture 4th overALL{this is due to a nySBRS fluke that i signed up the for full series &rec. 50pts as did leader sammiT, just for sign-up; 'lame rule'), even though have NOT been in points ALL series 8th, 17th, 23rd(work4 ashleyB), 9th, cancelled, 6th, 11th, 7th, (X, Xbattenkill), 6th, 18th(crash@50m togo).

i'll spare details other than felt good today: joshC& i lined up mid-pack,
Lap1 pace ok.
Lap2 slow.
Lap3 slow pace, i attacked! w/1 willing rider past start/finish carried pace up&over hill, top of park, to descent, pack gaining @200m back, so we cave-in.
Lap4 &5 repeat differnt characters, similar, shorter efforts.
Lap 6'&7 Neutralized passing 1,2,3& 4's.
Lap 8, bell, w/ some space to race again...moved up in pack on descent&past Temple, took sammi's wheel w/1km togo, lined up well, on far left, clear of ALL but 3 ahead, rode sprinters wheels to 200m togo, 150, 100, feel good holding sami's wheel, relatively, easily; plan to dart out from behind him in final 10m...nope!

@ 75m, big siggis rider paul white on my right pushes me&undercuts my dear felt pc 'élin'@28-30mph, slide crash, we're down, paul hurt hand badly compound fracture on right hand ringFinger, me, no flat, re-mount finish race.

damage: élin ok, front Zipp404 lost (1)spoke, me, minor contusion on right rear rear, 8cm long 1cm deep from paul's rear wheel air valve. Paul's ok 6others caught up in crash caused by rider to pauls right...poor flailing sprint effort, caught paul(boxed in), who reacted in me.

winner Ashley's friend victor(?), sammi Torres 2nd&series winner...so it goes.

...in ALL a good day as felt strong&recovered well; along w/darts may be suited for stage racing w/reasonae day to day recovery.
-h:>
god damn! Harry! GTFO of the 5's NOW!!!

glad things are mostly ok.
Wow. Glad to hear you are ok Harry.
And uhm, HANDCUFFS!?!?!
godamn it is awesome to read that

those guys have been cocky dicks (!) since the first time i raced against them

super glad they got sent to the slam in lyrca
Hahahahhaa...snif.
Never occurred to me they'd book 'em in spandex.
That's harsh, even for jerks
Posted By: WilliamDCgod damn! Harry! GTFO of the 5's NOW!!!

glad things are mostly ok.
Yeah, Harry - get out of the 5's into the categories where no one will take their hands off the bars and push you out of the lead out train!


(But, uh, seriously...do get out of the 5's!)
chud ub ryn
for teh record: in the 123 races, people can do shit like that without guaranteeing a massive pileup. it does get better. my first 123 park race, i was just AMAZED at how much contact was happening and how little omgI'mFreakingOUT!!! was going on because of it.
I thought Ricky WAS freaking out.
Now be nice and make up . . . so you don't end up in handcuffs.
well yes . . . he freaked out AFTER the race

no one freaked out in the race, and that's more important!
Harry glad things are not as bad as they could have been!
My friend Francisco whos unattached won the race, been telling him to join for a while, he can smoke me any day of the week, uphill, downhill, flats the lot.
He sent me a picture of the top 4 holding the trophies, looks like sammyT got 3rd, 2nd was a Major Taylor rider, black dude white helmet?
Are we going to get a story behind the HANDCUFFS or what?
short cat 5 race report -

raced yesterday - consistently have trouble getting up the hill, strategy has been get up front so I can slide back. Afterwards I am always so gassed I end up popping.
Also, most of the time I lack a warm up lap, I normally think something like "f the warmup, I ride 8 miles over here, thats a warmup".

So yesterday I make it over the hill and bit into the rollers before the field oh so gradually pulls away from me. Its baby steps incremental progress, but frustrating. Today's plan, change things up.

Got in to the park a bit earlier, casual pin up, start a warm up lap. Timed it so I could finish the lap directly into "riders to the line". Notice BOTH of my bottle cages shaking (I am that powerful) - warm up lap becomes warmup half lap. I fix em and line up. I notice Harry moving back in the line up, so I go back a few spots too.

Went up the hill midpack instead of at the front, slightly easier pace, made it over not fully gassed, and finished the first lap with the pack (f yeah, first time that has happened!) . Then we hit the hill the second time and bam, I am out, I just couldnt hold it. I tried sprinting uphill to close the gap, then sprinting after GAP to close the gap...then the realization of "oh well, 7 laps to go solo, maybe I'll get some folks who fall off later". Never did sadly.

Got a big laugh when later in the race, AVD yelled at me over the speakers "CAT 5 rider - get behind your pace vehicle!" ... um dude, I was like 3/4 of a lap behind it, he thought I was the leader.

More to come in coming weeks.
yo joshua:

that is not an easy experience to deal with - serious serious props for sticking it out like that.

you've come super far, and i know you still have a long way ahead of you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geZSBEi9afo
Posted By: Jules Roazen
Are we going to get a story behind the HANDCUFFS or what?
Are arrest records public? If so, I think some investigation is in order. I mean, to get put in cuffs? They had to have been doing something seriously wrong. There is no requirement to carry i.d., so that's not it. They do have to answer their names truthfully however (this has happened to me and other Kissena's when pulled over for blowing a red light. No ids, we got scolded, but not against the law. We gave them names and addresses and they checked on their police walkie talkie thingys) and then we got sent on our way. This is WAY too juicy to let slide folks.

Should we be dicks and post something on NYVelocity and let the masses at it? Naaahhh...that would be sort of dickish and we are a gentlemen's club (unfortunately, the kind without hot chicks...which reminds me...Dear Board Members, more hot chicks please).
of course, maybe the poh-leece were being dicks and profiling and shit...
I dunno. Cuffed in broad daylight after a race in CP; if that isn't NYVelocity material, I'm not sure what is.

Speaking of Hot Chicks, why is it always the married guys lobbying? :)
It was in Prospect, and it was at least an hour after the race. I don't have any other details. Except that I smiled.
Even better
FYI: From the prospect p list

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Posted by: "Jeffrey Keltz" jeffkeltz@yahoo.com jeffkeltz
Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:34 pm (PDT)


I saw two or three police cars and two cyclists with their arms behind their back, in handcuffs.

Someone else told me that they were taken away. Does anyone know why? It happened at about 10:00 or so today.
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Posted by: "Terry King" tkendurance@gmail.com tkendurance
Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:11 pm (PDT)


I was rolling past when I saw two riders, in identical kits I did not
immediately recognize, walking their bikes away from a police SUV. This was
on the footpath parallel to to the drive between the Grecian temple and the
Parkside/Ocean Ave. entrance. They were walking South (in the opposite
direction of the traffic flow). It seemed as if they had just had some
interaction with the police. Then the cops blipped their siren and stopped
the cyclists. by this time, now I was past.

I figured maybe they had ben stopped for riding the wrong way away from
the race.

When I rolled by on the next lap, there was a second regular police car
there and it looked like the the riders' hand were behind thier backs as
if cuffed. Next lap, no sight of them or the police....
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Posted by: "Roger Friedman" roger@bernsteindisplay.com rsfmuse
Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:50 pm (PDT)


I saw them riding the wrong way and then on my nest lap saw them stopped by the cops. Didn't see what happened next.

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On Apr 29, 2012, at 10:11 PM, "Terry King" > wrote:



I was rolling past when I saw two riders, in identical kits I did not immediately recognize, walking their bikes away from a police SUV. This was on the footpath parallel to to the drive between the Grecian temple and the Parkside/Ocean Ave. entrance. They were walking South (in the opposite direction of the traffic flow). It seemed as if they had just had some interaction with the police. Then the cops blipped their siren and stopped the cyclists. by this time, now I was past.

I figured maybe they had ben stopped for riding the wrong way away from the race.

When I rolled by on the next lap, there was a second regular police car there and it looked like the the riders' hand were behind thier backs as if cuffed. Next lap, no sight of them or the police....
can I facebook this one and tell everyone I lead the race ? only we will know the truth

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Go for it. You've even got your sunglasses outside the helmet straps :)

Total PRO!

(but pay Victor the ten bucks first :))
Stick with it Josh, train your weaknesses. Go into the park when training with a specific goal of just nailing that hill. Couple of warm up laps slowly building the intensity. Couple of minutes towards the end of the warm up high rpm, over 100 to wake the legs up, 5 easy minutes after.

When you come around and get to the hill, push it all the way to the top, dont go all out straight away so your gassed before the finish. Pace it, build so that you are going all out at the top, not the other way around. Keep your legs spinning at that top, even when your pooped keep them spinning an easy gear. Spain easy for a lap and then do it again when you get to the hill. Use the rest of the lap as recovery until you get to the hill again. Do that in succession a few times a week and I guarantee you will more confidence with that hill.

Choose your gearing also. Lower cadence will produce more torque drawing more resource from your muscles and creating larger muscular fatigue. Higher cadence will draw less muscular resource but will call more on your cardiovascular system. For me my choices are made when I think about how much I want/need to repeat those efforts. Lower cadence big power may be the case sometimes but im not going to be able to do that many times in a race or respond to an attack, certainly not with very short recovery intervals. Too fast a cadence and I might not be producing enough power. Its a personal thing but experiment with it.

Generally in our races in the 5s we dont have the kom sprints so you more or less can get away with just keeping up with the pack. The thing you want to train though is recovering as fast as possible as attacks can always fire off right at the top when most people are gassed. Once youve done the hill session a few times try shortening your recovery period which will help with the repeatability of it.
@JoshC,
you look good out front! definately a 'print!'

...advice from Ashle is very good& you can apply to any hill(bump) effort you have regular access to, find some thing near home so that you can work it 2/3 times a week.

keep ip good work.
-h;>