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^ All this stuff works btw. The 20-10's are a Ferrari invention I believe. 
20-10 and 15-15 microbursts have existed ever since training on a bicycle has.

I remember doing them way back in '91ish on the suggestion of a teammate.

Also, remember training for sprints circa' 05ish w Ragot and Sommerville (both Kissena then) in prospect park from light post to light post, one on, one off, which amounted to basically the same.
If you wanna feel like cyclists are not even a little bit fit... 

This profile of Isabella Boyslton, ABT's prima ballerina, features her daily diet and routine, a good contrast from the ride media article.

How an Elite Ballerina Eats and Exercises

http://www.elle.com/beauty/health-fitness/news/a35782/abt-principal-dancer-isabella-boylston-diet-workout/
I like that breakfast.  She and I would get along.
Corticosteriods as part of the daily routine.
Jules said:
Corticosteriods as part of the daily routine.
That can't possibly hurt in the long run.

Can it?
mugwump said:
Jules said:
Corticosteriods as part of the daily routine.
That can't possibly hurt in the long run.

Can it?
What's a little extra facial hair between friends?


Are you suggesting that Chewie has...

  • Elevated pressure in the eyes (glaucoma)
  • Fluid retention, causing swelling in your lower legs
  • High blood pressure
  • Problems with mood, memory, behavior and other psychological effects
  • Weight gain, with fat deposits in your abdomen, face and the back of your neck
  • Clouding of the lens in one or both eyes (cataracts)
  • High blood sugar, which can trigger or worsen diabetes
  • Increased risk of infections
  • Thinning bones (osteoporosis) and fractures
  • Suppressed adrenal gland hormone production
  • Thin skin, bruising and slower wound healing
I mean, he's made it through the Star Wars saga aging better than Han.

    That looks like a list of middle-age symptoms. . . 
    Time to drop some pounds. I want to be lighter and faster. I might ask for some advice in due course.
    Like training, eating well can require outlandish, and some realistic, measurable goals.  And I'm not going to say diet, because that's a thing that comes and goes.  Rather, slowly moving toward a better way of eating and thinking about food and how it's supposed to work in the body is the overall approach.  Fortunately, no real need to change portions or how much one eats, in my experience.  Just a change to what one eats, and how much of each thing that gets eaten.

    Weighing oneself the first of each month is a good way to see progress.  Keep a journal of it, but don't do it more often.  This at least makes us aware of our weight, and helps promote awareness while we eat, and reminds us that we care about it.

    It's going to get hot outside, riding, training, racing.  Hydrating will definitely be important, and I find training in the heat takes the pounds off in part because I train more, combined with a changed appetite to lighter foods, including a lot of fruit.
    Keep in mind, as well, training builds muscle, so we might not drop as much weight as we're hoping.  So instead of thinking only in terms of pounds, may want to also think in terms of what we want to look like.  How to trim the arms, the belly.  Yep, cardio work and core when off the bike.  CORE!

    A couple of things that have helped me.

    No more beer.
    Ha ha, I know right.

    Okay, how about this.  IPAs tend to be much higher in calories than other beers.  And alcohol tends to be the contributor to calories, so the higher the alcohol content, the higher the calories.  So, choose wisely, and at least cut down.  I give myself a maximum in a single evening.  2 drinks.

    Beer                    Calories    Content
    Corona                148          4.6
    Red Stripe           151          5.0
    Harpoon IPA        170          5.9
    Guinnes Stout      176          6.0

    Switch snacks to Almonds or other nuts instead of any kind of junk food.  These are complex carbs, they have protein, and they'll keep you feeling full since they take longer to break down in our system.
    Switch to Almond butter from peanut butter for the breakfast toast.
    No more soda.  No.  No more.

    Drink a glass of water before eating a major meal.

    Nothing with saturated fats, absolutely nothing with the word hydrogenated in it.  Read the label.  If it's got that, put it back.  (Along with High-Fructose Corn Syrup).  And soda.  No.

    As cyclists, and racers, food should work hard for us while still being tasty and fun to eat.  Natural food, and complex, instead of junk food and simple sugars can be a great start, without having to cut down how much one eats.  It's also different for each person, how they burn calories, what tastes good, and what works for one may not be right for another.  The first approach, though, is setting goals, what do we want to get out of this change, and thinking about how we think about food.  Food should be great to eat (pizza, yay, I'm carb loading!), but it should also work for us so we don't bonk, recover faster, and look amazing in spandex.

    I would suggest weighting in more often than the first of the month -- if you are trying to loose, it should probably be almost every day, just don't street about it.

    Training Peaks has a content type that can be entered any time, called 'metrics'. It is what I use to track weight.
    eloy said:
    I would suggest weighting in more often than the first of the month -- if you are trying to loose, it should probably be almost every day, just don't street about it.

    Weighing should be at the same time and wearing (or not wearing) the same clothes.  Consistency is essential for benchmarking.

    If trying to lose weight, shooting for a one-pound or half-kilo drop per week, is probably the safest way to plan weight loss.  At the same time, a super-heavy week of riding can speed things along.

    And yes, fluctuations should be expected.  After a few weeks of daily weighing, you can probably reduce the frequency and choose either your typical heaviest or lightest days as the days to weigh yourself.

    recently, i tried weighing myself and tracking my food intake every day for a few months.  A problem was that my level of hydration probably going to caused more dramatic fluctuations than food intake.  As I ride with a powermeter, I know roughly what kind of calories I'm burning.  Many weeks, I'd burn more than I ate and yet not seem to lose weight--possibly because I was drinking water when I was hungry rather than eating.  

    Summer is different than winter.  The hot weather curbs most appetites and increased sweating probably means people are less hydrated than they are in the winter.
    mugwump said:
    Weighing should be at the same time and wearing (or not wearing) the same clothes.  Consistency is essential for benchmarking.

    If trying to lose weight, shooting for a one-pound or half-kilo drop per week, is probably the safest way to plan weight loss.  At the same time, a super-heavy week of riding can speed things along.


    One of these scales is a great tool if you have $100 to spend. It can be synched to your TP account. Just step on and it records your data and beams it to the cloud.

    You really do need to do this as Wump suggests; as consistently as possible.

    1 lb per week seems to be the accepted wisdom.

    There is a ton of prescriptive advice (NO GLUTEN! ONLY PURPLE FOOD! MOAR BACON!) out there - you need to find out what works for you and is sustainable. There is some recent evidence that people do respond to various foods differently. 

    What works for Bruce may not work for you, and vice versa.

    Your kj spent are rough proxies for how many calories you used.

    Lastly, you can always order the "Spanish Steak"
    Thanks all, some wisdom here for sure. I've ordered my connected scales already so excited for their arrival. I'd say I normally eat pretty healthily and barely drink alcohol save the very occasional beer so I think eating a little less will be the order of the day to start with. I remember reading in Wiggo's book something about it being OK to be a little hungry....
    For reference, Wiggo at a little hungry.
    yes, should have been clear: when trying to loose weight, I jump on the scale almost everyday, first thing in the morning, after going to the bathroom, before riding or eating, and wearing no clothes.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/04/well/eat/low-point-weight-wireless-scales.html?_r=0

    This Is Probably the Least You’ll Weigh All Year. Sorry.

    mugwump said:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/04/well/eat/low-point-weight-wireless-scales.html?_r=0

    This Is Probably the Least You’ll Weigh All Year. Sorry.

    Stress, bro.
    I have to admit, I've been feeling svelte lately.  I'm glad there's science behind it.
    I know everyone is different, but it's kind of amazing how quickly we can shed "top end" fat stores when you start working out and eat conservatively.  Doing regular workouts and not eating every office bday cake and muffin basket in the last 1.5 months, I've gone from 152 to 147lbs between December and this morning.  Just some anecdotal inspiration that a little effort goes a long way (weigh).
    You know you've found the one when…

    Me: "babe, I feel fat because I had too much ice cream :("

    Her: "Silly bike boy, shut up and get on your trainer."
    this engine takes premium fuel

    Has anyone had any success or tried the ketogenic diet? 
    Other than trying (and usually failing bcs of Van Leeuwen ice cream) to eat less, but healthy, calories than I burn, never tried any specific diet.

    A couple of years ago, did spend some period where I used an app (like MyFitnessPal) to track calories burnt vs. consumed. Technology makes it very easy.

    Curious about why you are interested in Ketogenic, as it seems to be about burning fats which might not be very efficient for exercise (not to metion ketogenic's goal is preventing epilepsy)
    Awhile back I lost like 30 lbs over the course of the summer on a keto diet. It's rough for a few days but it should be good for dropping weight quick. That being said, it might not be ideal to eat a full keto diet and also train for any significant amount of hours. These days when I'm trying to lose a couple excess lbs I cut back on sugar / unhealthy stuff outside of before, during, and immediately bike rides - it's worked pretty well for the past couple weeks. 
    @GregStreiff Having a kid obvs forces you to be aware of what's in food you give them. Apart from being GMO corn syrup sugar bombs (with built in "natural" pesticides), these schnacks are made from grape and strawberry mash which are no.1 and no.8 in the dirty dozen fruit/veg:
    https://www.ewg.org/foodnews/list.php
    Fun facts:
    - pesticides persisted on fruits and vegetables even when they were washed and, in some cases, peeled. 
    - single sample of strawberries showed 20 different pesticides — they have no skin so washing is, well, er, fruitless. Organic versions are ok. 

    Also behavior modifying:
    Red No. 40 is widely used in many processed foods and may cause hyperactive behaviour in kids. (source: “Agency revises advice on certain artificial colours“. 

    Blue No. 1 (also known as Brilliant Blue FCF in Canada) is banned in Norway, Finland and France, yet still allowed in North America. It’s generally regarded as safe, but if it doesn’t need to be there and has no nutritional value, do you want to chance it?

    Yellow No. 5 (also known as Tartrazine) is thought to be an anti-nutrient because it increases the amount of zinc excreted from the body and is thought to bind with zinc in the blood. (Source: N.I. Ward et al. J Nutr Med, Vol 10, 1990, pp. 415-31)

    (If both Red #40 and Yellow #5 have been linked to hyperactivity in children, it’s startling and very very wrong that a food product like this can be actively marketed for school lunches!)







    Thanks @JohnMalcolmson for the info. I was sort of joking about those fruit snacks as I only eat them on rides (sometimes) for a quick sugar boost, but I need to cut stuff like that out completely. Riding is not an excuse to eat crap. You've given me some additional reasons. BTW that GIF is stressing me out. 

    @eloy I have a friend that has some success with Keto but sorta half did it for a month and claims to have lost 10+ lbs. He was also hitting the gym regularly (after not going much last year), but his routine only consisted of lifting, with little to no cardio. So I found it hard to decipher how much of the weight loss came via his diet or just by virtue of being active, consistently. I also listened to a podcast Lance Armstrong did with Chris Bell, the director of the documentary of "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", and Bell swears by the Keto diet and Lance also seems to respect it. I need to get back to using MyFitnessPal. It does work, thanks for the reminder. (Link to the podcast: http://http//theforwardpodcast.libsyn.com/chris-bell)

    @SebastianVidal that's a good data point. And awesome you dropped so much weight! Do you have any keto meal plans you could send me? Or perhaps you can point me to reliable source of intel on the subject? I have been doing some google'ing but most of the results appear to be weird and gimmicky websites with half information / just plug the diet, full stop. Anything reliable would be dope. Might try to incorporate some of the Keto philosophy into my diet. 

    Thanks so much.
    Do what works for you.

    I am sure that a ton of cool learnings and takeaways can come from Keto, but personally I always worry about "did it for a month." 

    Finding sustainable forever routines is much more attractive to me.

    While they are plenty of caveats..., Greg, you ride quite a bit, simply making sure you are eating healthy and less than you burn is ultimately all you need to loose weight.