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Tokeneke Road Race

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I haven't looked at the schedule yet but it it's doable I'd be up for an assassin strike maneuver...
I would also be in for this as a one day venture.
I think we're headed to a wedding on saturday so I'll be leaving from there.  Sorry lads.
One NYVelocity guy rode away with it; I was 3rd in the sprint... Unofficial.

Yoshi 7th
Boom
Patrick G, Johnny Wrongway, Ragot and the rest of you guys with Watts to spare uphill before it gets steep; this race is FOR YOU. Two mile big ring uphill finishing drag. Last 200m is flat.
Enough points for an upgrade???
Enough points for an upgrade???
Think so.

49mph maximum; those big descents are freshly paved.  I don't want to sound like a jerk but this isn't as hard as Battenkill; people didn't even take bottles in the feed.  It's definitely a course that is good for team tactics; a team can make it hard - our selection was probably 20 before the final uphill drag race.

Race report later in the day.
There were a lot of *ahem* bigger guys in the final selection.  The uphill drag race thinned 'em out in the end but I was downright shocked and intimidated at how many people were still with us by the end.
Jules --great race! 

Tokeneke is definitely not as hard in the 4s as the distance/duration only takes ~2hrs. I think it's nice to have a good road race at this distance on the calendar --there are enough races where hydration and eating become a big part of the outcome (of course, that last climb always hurt me quite a lot). With those factors less crucial --there are more racers "in it" for the finish. So maybe an easier course, but not necessarily an easier race and you did very well. Congrats!

Cat3 and up --with 3 laps of that course-- carries more suffering, though perhaps still not quite the punishing nature of BK.


Congrats Yoshi on your fine finish as well!
Thank You Norm!  In your current form you'd be a menace out here.  I am just amazed at how different Cap Region, Airport Road and Tokeneke were; ostensibly all "Hard road races" they are so different from one another.

Definitely something for everyone.  
Jules and I rode different races, in retrospect I wish the field had been combined cause we only had 29 starters, quite a few riders lost ground and at bottom of final climb we were maybe 20. yes, climbs were not nuts, there were a few attacks during our race but there was only really one climb on each lap, the final ascent to the finish which is approximately 2 miles long before it flattens out. William crabtree (6th overall on GC at catskills) attacked on the final climb leading up to finish, he opened a serious gap with another rider on his wheel, collin tanner from hudson was leading the chase (with me at the tail) for a good while and then there were more attacks, I tried desperately to hang on to wheels and follow accelerations but the last one at 1km to go was too difficult.
I thought I got 7th which would have given me 1 point but I got 9th...womp womp.
Regis, the guy who won Jules' field is a friend of mine, he's also french and he's an animal, try doing 8x4mins at over 350 watts and that's what it would have taken to win that race.
Riders in our field said they were pushing 400watts steady on the final ascent, I have no data from this race however.

Toekenke Race Report


Cat 4, 35+ Field


This was my last chance for the year to go to an "out of town" race where I could earn enough points to upgrade but there were some logistics to manage first: a wedding in New Jersey on Saturday with the kids and a late night post-wedding drive up to the B&B Lisa found…


Cut & fast forward to the wedding scene where Jules bites into a shrimp… EXTREME CLOSUP… shrimp NOT GOOD.  Panic ensues, including a frenzied consult with Dr. Lisa re: "is it bad or just overcooked?"  We decided on overcooked but the terror was in my belly; quite literally.


As people with kids know; 99 times out of a 100 a post-sundown drive is a recipe for instant-sleep.  Saturday night was the 100th day - Isaiah didn't want to be in a car seat, and decided to let us know for the two hours and fifty minutes of our three hour drive.  While not fighting the urge to fling myself out of the moving car I re-read past race reports that left me a little cold…


"50mph+ descents on bad roads, guys were crashing out left & right… I felt like Luke Skywalker in the Death Star approach…"

"just about crapped my pants descending that fast in a pack of nervous cat fours…"

"the race wasn't hard enough and in the final sprint some guy nearly crashed me out…"


Not exactly Jules' perfect race, as told by the Kissena survivors.


My last minute check of Road-Race predictor showed me as finishing ninth not the fifth or better I needed to upgrade.  It's fair to say I was a little intimidated going to sleep the night before.


Morning came and we did the ritual scramble to get to the race course on time - I managed to leave most of my nutrition at the B&B so I was stuck with two bottles, two GU's and a cliff bar.  Somehow I had it in my head that it was a three hour race - not what turned out to be a two hour event.


After a frantic moment where Lisa attacked me with a (so she claims) heart full of Love and a tube of sunscreen like a five year old headed to the playground I did an abbreviated warmup and said hello's to some Brooklyn friends (Major Taylor duo) and my podium-mate from Catskills (White Jersey.)  Soon after that I rolled to the line and scanned the crowd for familiar faces.


In a big field my main goal was to ride conservatively; follow moves, not attack and STAY IN THE FRONT because I felt it would be safer on the descents.


When the whistle blew I did a little "cyclocross start" and chuckled to myself as I pulled up into the second row uncontested as the roadies all thrashed around trying to clip in.


To help you paint a better picture, let me quickly review the characters from today's story:


"Mr. Galibier" from NYVelocity.  Blue & White machine.

"White Jersey" from Catskills

"The White Armed Marauder" many of us know this guy from the races at Floyd Bennet Field; skinny guy with a Big Engine who always wears white arm warmers - prone to punching himself out early in the race.

"The Purple Menace" confusingly from a team called the Green Armed Bandits - older, skinny and rides his bike like a broken wheel on a home-made trailer - wobbling along at an insane speed he was the nexus of all danger and uncertainty in the pack.

"The Tattoo" a hulk of a guy from Team Jiminez - he rode with a stream of sweat pouring off the top of his head into a fine spray that coated anyone behind him.

"Mirror Guy" from team Flandria - the Race Predictor had him favored to win; he rode with an actual mirror on a stick attached to his helmet.

"Big Green" Mike Kuhen from FGX - a former teammate from my days on NYVelocity

"Orange Twig" another sketchy wheel - if this guy weighed more than 120 pounds I'll eat my hat.  Prone to riding hard gripping his bars on either side of the stem, for maximum wobbliness and inability to brake.


Ok, so we're off, I'm sitting comfortably in the top ten and I tell myself that I'm just here to do what I'm "supposed to do" i.e.: follow wheels, stay out of the wind and take care of my nutrition… provided circumstances allow me to.


The Tokeneke course is two laps of a 22 mile circuit; each lap has two major climbs of 1100 feet each, and the finish (which is ridden twice) consists of a two mile shallow hill, aka "The Dragstrip"


All told it's 4400 feet of climbing in 44 miles.


Part II

I should mention that at Mile One some clown tears off the front like a scalded cat.  Nobody so much as budges and the race referee slows his motorcycle next to us, raises his visor and says to us, "I guess he's feeling strong…" with a smile.  We all just chuckle and scratch him off our mental list of worries for the day.  I wonder if he lost some kind of bet...

Lap 1, Climb 1 "Mr. Galibier" goes to the front and is soon joined by most of the protagonists; the White Armed Marauder is my biggest concern, other than dodging the carnage the Purple Menace is leaving behind him, wobbling like he's trying for some kind of bad-riding award.

Galibier, the Orange Twig, Tattoo all take turns smashing it at the front while Big Green (Mike Kuhen) sits second or third wheel and I watch him slowly go from "hot" on their wheels to melting.  He's been racing about as long as me and I keep waiting for him to have a season where he arrives in August ready to tear some legs off.  He's a big guy and I think it's just a matter of time.  Today though, I watch his green & white jersey soak through with sweat and his head tilt ever so more & more to the side as he clings furiously to whomever is at the front.

The Tattoo, just behind me is jovial; cracking jokes and he doesn't sound to be hurting as much as the rest of us.  "Oh brother" I think, "it's not hard enough to shed these big guys…"

We make it over the first hill and the fast descents begin.  The terrible 50mph roads with longitudinal cracks have been (mostly) repaved so we flew down them single file and with each flattening of the road The Tattoo and the White Armed Marauder would move to the front and drill it often with the help of Mr. Galibier and some of the other characters… strung out on the descents!  Perhaps it was going to be a hard enough race after all.

On the second climb the whole menagerie of guys is pushing it and I sit in patiently, a little too nervous to really get a good look back but it seems like there are still twenty or thirty guys with us… too many.  These climbs aren't nearly as long as Catskills - I'm beginning to worry. I can Honeybadger myself into the top half of a ten man selection but the top five of a thirty man selection - not nearly as simple.

I cruise up to Mr. Galibier who seems to be climbing ahead of us all without effort and waiting at the top of some climbs, "Hey there are still thirty guys here - we're going to have to make it harder if you want to get rid of them…" I tell him, and he pretends not to hear.  I never understand why some guys act like that in races. Whatever.  It's Velocity, I should have known.

Meanwhile we're approaching the Dragstrip for the first time and I am excited to see how it goes; there are some attacks, some counters… I follow wheels and generally skip pulls when people are bitching about "We've got to chase him!"

"Who is this 'we' you speak of Kemosabe?" is what I thought to myself, but I just shruged and pull off to stay out of the wind.

Lap 2 Climb 1 "Mr. Galibier" decides he's too sexy for us Freds (get it?) and rides off uncontested.  Riding "smart" means if *one* guy gets away then I may be able to sit in while others chase the top step of the podium.  It definitely doesn't mean I chase the lone strongman who escapes.

Big Green mutters that it's just ridiculous how easily Gailibier was riding while we "all" suffered so badly.  I didn't have the heart to tell him that not everyone was on the rivet.  White Jersey from Catskills was still lurking and looking fresh, and Mirror Guy would make occasional appearances climbing effortlessly.  The Tattoo still had breath to share jokes and the fountain of sweat hadn't stopped coming off him… the Orange Twig made several oddly timed attacks - right at the beginning or end of descents - both kids would end unceremoniously with the Tattoo or the Purple Menace chasing him down.

Lap 2 Climb 2 we are still twenty and I'm getting pretty despondent.  How am I going to get into the top five here?  I guess I'll have to head back to Floyd and put my fate into the hands of the gods of the Tall Grass in the Setting Sun.  "Just do what you're supposed to do." I tell myself; ride smart and you won't be disappointed.  I think to myself, "Besides, this is really hard.  My legs hurt and I'm tired.  Maybe I don't really want to hurt any worse than this.  Being a four isn't so bad…"

It wasn't too long before we were at the foot of the Dragstrip for the last time.  I'd drunk both bottles, had both GU's and wasn't feeling any of the cramps that had plagued me at Catskills.  "Oh well," I thought, "just ride your limit and follow moves…"

I tossed it in the big ring and prepared myself emotionally for some pain.  The early attacks were easy to follow because they weren't that big; just accelerations that ratcheted up the pace.  Then the Orange Twig went, and I jumped to his wheel.  Then the White Jersey whent and I jumped over to *his* wheel… he started diving from one side of the road to the other and looking back… "Come on man, we're not on a velodrome!" I shouted and he cut it out.  Then came the White Armed Marauder and I followed, then came the Purple Menace - his was the most dangerous since we were closing in on the 1km to go mark… I hung on and concentrated on the landmarks; people were on the side of the road screaming - the Purple Menace opened his sprint early and I followed, with someone else.  Purple was going strong but I kept my head low and spun it up, shifting harder only when I had the RPMs to do it.

I was dreading the "swarm" in the final meters, but I didn't hear the familiar sounds of approaching bikes...

In the last 25m I think I went from 5th or 6th in the sprint to 3rd - including the bike throw.

FOURTH!  I'd done it.  

Looking back I'm still surprised at the guys who couldn't make it up the dragstrip with me.  They all seemed plenty strong enough in the climbs beforehand - but I wasn't riding my limit, I was riding to follow wheels and although it hurt a lot I don't remember thinking "I can't do this."

There was some drama when they posted the results and had me at third; but third place protested and apparently the film showed what I'd remembered.  Fourth it was.  (It'll be cool if I can see the photos myself if they are close) Guys will be happy & sad to know USADA was there and apparently testing the top 20 in each field - knowing how expensive the tests are I was a bit surprised, but when there were no escorts, and we were sent unattended from once locale to the other, after about thirty minutes of just trying to FIND the cup to piss in, we were told, "no, they won't be testing you after all…" which was a pity because it would be cool to be good enough to get tested someday…. ah well.

Twenty Five bucks of sweet, sweet muffin money and my ticket punched to "the threes" should I so choose…

jules --the Skywalker mention... yeah, that's quite valid. I loved that descent... no technicalities to give Amelia the shudders so it was go fast time, sweeping, lovely, delicious speed.
Question for the USAC officials out there:

2nd place finisher in our field doesn't appear to be a Cat 4.  Since when are guys "sneaking" into fields?

http://www.bikereg.com/Results/2013/08/11-tokeneke.asp
GGGGGRRRRReat Result Jules!!!!!!!!
...U R made 4the road well played race.
-h;-)
Thanks Harry! That course is good for you too...
Jules,
i recall StepaneG looked forward to Tokenene as well...perhaps one day elements will conspire &i will give it a go...love the read too!
-h
Thank you Harry - it was fun to race and to ride.  I think it a perfect course for the Stubborn Rider who has a kick at the end of a long, long drag.  That sounds like a B.O.L.I.C.K. to me... :)
Isaiah didn't want to be in a car seat, and decided to let us know for the two hours and fifty minutes of our three hour drive.  While not fighting the urge to fling myself out of the moving car I re-read past race reports that left me a little cold…
I KNEW IT. Parents are driven to these urges by their own children!

I'm not a monster after all.

Konrad, Craig and I are talking about this. My jersey is baggy, my pants fit funny and my girl friend commented that I no longer have biceps... that said it would make this wanna be crit/endurance track rider's season if I finished in the group.

I think this course really suits guys like Konrad and Craig who are both skinny minys but can both sprint.

The course is well suited to guys and gals who can race their bikes good.
Funnily enough, not a week ago, Andrew commented that my arms were looking big. :-(
@Jeffrey White‌ I only noticed cause im self conscious about my disappearing upper body... Cutting the post track work out milk shake will do that.
I'm jelly
I would like to do this race.  I will join you Andy.

Anyone want to coordinate travel? Good news is the Cat3 race is at 1255pm, so can be a drive up day-of jobby.  Unfortunately, the Cat4 is 9am.

deets are here: https://www.bikereg.com/tokeneke-classic-road-race  
I'm doing either this or the Silver Mine time trail (cannibal style) that day. Thinking Silver Mine might be better GMSR prep, but not yet decided.
Joaquin said:
I'm doing either this or the Silver Mine time trail (cannibal style) that day. Thinking Silver Mine might be better GMSR prep, but not yet decided.

I have to think 2-3 hours of hilly racing is better prep from a form perspective.