Feb 25, 2013 at 02:55 PM
I love the lesson here. Doping pays handsomely.Jules said:
Professional Dopers
Feb 25, 2013 at 05:18 PM
Uhm... It paid handsomely for one guy in a decade when almost everyone did it. I take the opposite view; statistically speaking it is a terrible bet.I love the lesson here. Doping pays handsomely.Jules said:... Back to doping!
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-20/armstrong-s-cheating-won-record-riches-of-more-than-218-million.html
Feb 25, 2013 at 07:05 PM
I wonder if it's like the lesson learned by those who study street doping culture. They seem to find that the only folks making more than minimum wage in that world are a few guys at the top. So in terms of economics at least, street level dealers would do better getting a gig at Starbucks.Jules said:Uhm... It paid handsomely for one guy in a decade when almost everyone did it. I take the opposite view; statistically speaking it is a terrible bet.I love the lesson here. Doping pays handsomely.Jules said:
Feb 25, 2013 at 07:10 PM
Looks like Landis might get paid pretty handsomely if the whistleblower thing turns out. Any idea how much Hamilton made off his book? More than most domestic pros? In my fantasy world where I make money I hire carrot top as a coach: http://www.tylerhamilton.com/
And Hincapie got to retire, avoid suspension, have a successful clothing company, and now runs a development team, right?
And hoppers don't have to wear Starbucks outfits and stand around listening to twats complain about their overpriced venti soy 5-shot mochacrappuccinos. They get to stay out late and play with guns. Way cooler.
And Hincapie got to retire, avoid suspension, have a successful clothing company, and now runs a development team, right?
And hoppers don't have to wear Starbucks outfits and stand around listening to twats complain about their overpriced venti soy 5-shot mochacrappuccinos. They get to stay out late and play with guns. Way cooler.
Feb 25, 2013 at 07:39 PM
http://isps.yale.edu/events/2013/02/spinning-our-wheels-doping-in-professional-cycling-panel-discussion-moderated-by-isps#.USj24R04uuI
Spinning our Wheels? Doping in Professional Cycling: Panel Discussion Moderated by ISPS Director Jacob Hacker
Date:
Thursday, February 28, 2013 - 4:30pm to 6:00pm Add to Google calendar
Location:
Yale Law School, Levinson Auditorium, 127 Wall Street
Feb 25, 2013 at 08:30 PM
@Jules & @Marc
I don't think the small number of folks getting huge payouts, but are eventually caught doping is a big enough deterrent. Most people have a very hard time accurately gauging the risk vs reward from decisions where the risk is in a different time frame from the reward, so the diabetic considering a piece of chocolate cake isn't going to weigh "chocolate cake tastes good now, but cutting my diabetic foot off in 6 months is going to SUUUCK", they're just looking at the reward, not the potential for amputation.
Doping has the same incentives and risks. The rewards are direct and fairly immediate (you win races), vs getting caught and punished only impacts future earning potential, so the risk can't be weighted in the same perspective or timeframe.
So I totally agree with you Jules, doping is a terrible bet, but most people are really bad bettors (see national and state lotteries).
I don't think the small number of folks getting huge payouts, but are eventually caught doping is a big enough deterrent. Most people have a very hard time accurately gauging the risk vs reward from decisions where the risk is in a different time frame from the reward, so the diabetic considering a piece of chocolate cake isn't going to weigh "chocolate cake tastes good now, but cutting my diabetic foot off in 6 months is going to SUUUCK", they're just looking at the reward, not the potential for amputation.
Doping has the same incentives and risks. The rewards are direct and fairly immediate (you win races), vs getting caught and punished only impacts future earning potential, so the risk can't be weighted in the same perspective or timeframe.
So I totally agree with you Jules, doping is a terrible bet, but most people are really bad bettors (see national and state lotteries).
Mar 01, 2013 at 08:54 PM
Did anyone go to this? Dave V. was talking about going...mugwump said:http://isps.yale.edu/events/2013/02/spinning-our-wheels-doping-in-professional-cycling-panel-discussion-moderated-by-isps#.USj24R04uuISpinning our Wheels? Doping in Professional Cycling: Panel Discussion Moderated by ISPS Director Jacob Hacker
Date:Thursday, February 28, 2013 - 4:30pm to 6:00pm Add to Google calendarLocation:Yale Law School, Levinson Auditorium, 127 Wall Street
Mar 02, 2013 at 12:24 AM
Epic
"FFWDing through some more lopsided history…
By going on to win seven consecutive Tours, Armstrong not only inspired millions of cancer patients, he gave a huge boost to cycling in this country. Those positive developments cannot be taken away by USADA or any other body;
But they can be analyzed and commented upon incisively and directly by serious professionals. Or you could just talk about “positive developments” and ignore people dying from EPO misuse, not having careers because they didn’t want to dope, the fact that this isn’t ‘Nam and there are rules, etc…"
Mar 02, 2013 at 04:25 AM
Wow. Barry as you've never seen him; "not wraithlike"
and sweet Jeebus... that music. I think my ears just bled green slime.
Mar 02, 2013 at 04:33 AM
Recording heretito said:Did anyone go to this? Dave V. was talking about going...mugwump said:http://isps.yale.edu/events/2013/02/spinning-our-wheels-doping-in-professional-cycling-panel-discussion-moderated-by-isps#.USj24R04uuISpinning our Wheels? Doping in Professional Cycling: Panel Discussion Moderated by ISPS Director Jacob Hacker
Date:Thursday, February 28, 2013 - 4:30pm to 6:00pm Add to Google calendarLocation:Yale Law School, Levinson Auditorium, 127 Wall Street
Mar 06, 2013 at 03:30 AM
Mar 06, 2013 at 03:40 AM
sweet. Another weak denial, more refusing to take responsibility, and pointing fingers without any facts.
If that's all Lance gave up, he wasted the guy's time.
Mar 08, 2013 at 08:41 PM
Steve Tilford's recent rant about Levi and the Tour of California. I appreciate his ability to stay angry.
Mar 10, 2013 at 12:13 AM
Looks like CRCA's Women's Field has been hitting the testosterone. Further proof of Kissena's superiority.
Mar 10, 2013 at 12:28 AM
That's awesome. Poor Roj. Two years running second fiddle at Grants and now this. Good dude though.
Mar 11, 2013 at 04:30 AM
Apr 04, 2013 at 03:06 AM
http://m.statesman.com/news/sports/armstrong-will-race-again-but-itll-be-swimming-and/nXBzx/
One ball rides (swims?) again
One ball rides (swims?) again
Apr 04, 2013 at 11:13 AM
He doesn't know when to give up!
Apr 04, 2013 at 01:22 PM
If Lance was looking for the ban to be reduced, this is not the way to go. Doing unsanctioned races for someone with a finite ban (6months, 2 years, etc) will cause the ban to be restarted from the date of the event the doper competed in.
Apr 04, 2013 at 03:35 PM
doesn't he have a lifetime ban? So reducing the sentence would only come about by a premature death and possible resurrection?
I wouldn't put it past him for looking into that
I wouldn't put it past him for looking into that
Apr 04, 2013 at 04:14 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lance-armstrong-drops-swimming-event-144032351--spt.html
Looks like the only place he will be able to compete is in fantasy leagues...
Apr 04, 2013 at 04:26 PM
If Lance was looking for the ban to be reduced, this is not the way to go. Doing unsanctioned races for someone with a finite ban (6months, 2 years, etc) will cause the ban to be restarted from the date of the event the doper competed in.I'm no fan but I don't see how USADA can ban him from non-USADA events and threaten to reset his ban if he competes in them.
What next, no arm-wrestling?
Apr 04, 2013 at 04:40 PM
I don't think it's the USADA at the top of the food chain on this. Probably WADA. If so, he's toast, and rightly so.
Apr 04, 2013 at 04:58 PM
Hammer Thrower Barred for Doping http://nyti.ms/ZaJHfQ
Apr 04, 2013 at 06:15 PM
No competitive arm-wrestling.Jules said:If Lance was looking for the ban to be reduced, this is not the way to go. Doing unsanctioned races for someone with a finite ban (6months, 2 years, etc) will cause the ban to be restarted from the date of the event the doper competed in.I'm no fan but I don't see how USADA can ban him from non-USADA events and threaten to reset his ban if he competes in them. What next, no arm-wrestling?
I don't know the origins of the rule, but I think it was to make it a real penalty, as some banned racers in the past had competed in non-sanctioned events during their bans. For example, when Chris Baldwin was popped for doping during his tenure on Navigators, he spent much of his ban racing ACA races largely in Colorado. And after Raimondas Rumsas was sacked by Lampre for the trunkful of drugs found in his wife's car, he spent the next year cleaning up on the Italian Gran Fondo Circuit.
Doper Kenny Williams had his band extended after he raced some unsanctioned training races:
Bunde is lucky he didn't have his ban extended, as he competed in non-sanctioned races during his ban as well.
Apr 04, 2013 at 09:31 PM
@ Wump I understand WADA can call "shenanigans" if someone is still racing in what seems to be a similar event, but to my mind lining up at a local masters club race is a bit much.
Is he banned from ANY sport that WADA oversees? Darts? Shooting? Luge?
Apr 04, 2013 at 10:26 PM
Yes.
It's a way to enforce good behavior. Lance knew this, and yet he decided to dope away for years and then he decided it best not to cooperate. Kind of puts his claims of being a competitor in a different light. His competition is seeing if he can best WADA, not jumping in a pool and swimming in a race.
Apr 04, 2013 at 10:43 PM
So he can't enter a darts tourney at his local pub?
Apr 05, 2013 at 01:19 AM
@ Jules - try Ritalin or beta-blockers before your next darts tourney. Works like a charm for me.
Apr 05, 2013 at 01:24 AM
Jules said:So he can't enter a darts tourney at his local pub?
I guess this is when the shit gets real, huh. But look at the tradeoff. over $100 million in the bank. I think he can deal, after all, he can go chase strava records, beat up folks on the Mellow Johnny's morning ride, chase cars, and see how far he can push the envelope in any number of ways.