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I'd say the Etixx after party was some craic!
According to some riders, attacks didn't go up the Joux Plane because wheels were slipping on the steep gradient due to the weather. 

Speaking of slipping, did anyone see what Sagan's rear wheel was doing in the last 10m on the Champs?
@vlad vid/pics of the Sagan thing?
@25:58
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4lmb6q_tour-de-france-2016-hd-stage-21-final-kilometers_sport#tab_embed

also this
http://www.steephill.tv/players//letourdefrance/?title=Last+Km+of+Stage+21&dashboard=tour-de-france&id=x4lmaus&yr=2016
Do you think reducing team sizes will impact Sky's dominance?
No, I think reducing team budgets would. 
Jason on the whole reducing budgets thing:

Does the Tour de France Need a Financial Fix?

The divide between cycling’s haves and have-nots has led some to worry that this disparity will drain the excitement out of the Tour


http://www.wsj.com/articles/does-the-tour-de-france-need-a-financial-fix-1469400837
vlad said:
No, I think reducing team budgets would. 
While i agree ,
I also thought it was worth referencing this below, 
Its also important to have the right people in charge of the money that you do have ,

City
@vlad Sagan needs some traction control or AWD to handle all that torque.  
I am reluctant to suggest salary caps, since it would artificially suppress the earnings of riders who have short careers. It would not necessarily level the playing field at all.

Maybe the UCI should require that if a team had a budget over a certain amount they had to run both a men's and women's team, like Orica Bike Exchange. I know that wouldn't fly in places like Spain but could bring some cash infusion into the women's racing realm. I would like to see a Sky women's team, especially since it is an extension of British Cycling.
vlad said:
No, I think reducing team budgets would. 
While i agree ,
I also thought it was worth referencing this below, 
Its also important to have the right people in charge of the money that you do have ,

City

Ding ding ding.

See also: New York Knicks the last 15 years.
To fix the Tour I think the other teams need to stop racing like absolute pussies. If you never take a chance to try win, you will never win.  And yes, there is a risk that you might lose your podium place if you shoot for the W.  That is cycling.

All this chat about changing the race is really just covering up how totally and utterly terrible Movistar were this race, and to a lesser extent BMC and the other teams.  This crap about Froome never being isolated is absolute BS.  It can and has been done.  Last year he was all on his own and Movistar had 5 guys or whatever in the front group with just him and none of his team mates (the stage I am referring to is the one where Porte went from second on GC to 15th or something after missing the split and trying to chase).  In 2013 Contador put a minute and a half into Froome when his team nailed the cross winds and ripped off the front 40 km from the finish or whatever (I think stage 13?).  Movistar totally lacked any imagination this year.  They could have attacked on any rolling stage, windy stage or even just fucked shit up on a flat stage.  They did absolutely nothing for 3 weeks.  Also, they just won't quit this two-leader crap with Quintana/Valverde.  If Valverde was really not racing for himself he would have sat up in both TTs to save energy.  Or, put more effort into getting into breaks/dangerous moves to make Sky topple of balance.  They did nothing.  

And let's be real.  Even on his own in this race Froome would have won.  He is the best climber and best TT racer out of all the GC guys.  

Move the tour over to Gran Fondo format. Let's make the tour great again! 
@Adam Pussies? Really? 2016 bro. 
? Whaaa

Don't get it
Gay's WJS article argues that Sky was so dominant as a team that real contenders were unable to attack.

There were some moves and attacks that did shake the results in the last week, like Romain Bardet's, but Sky allowed it as he was no real threat. And that generally makes the race boring.
Let's get Trump for making the Tour great again!
2016 bro. 
agree.

Whether on private or public forums, misogynist posts by Kissena members is probably this club's biggest problem and weakness.
Greetings from Düsseldorf, grand depart of the 2017 tour!



Of course in the city where Kraftwerk was founded… https://kraftwerk.tickets.de/en/events/8855-Kraftwerk
Also, happy birthday Eddy Merckx!



Turns out there is a TDF exhibition at the NRW Forum here in Düsseldorf.



Uhm

First corner? Helluva way to go out.


Still the best ad I've seen for the race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inxqIa8jgA4
Hands down the dumbest race jury ruling I can remember.


But let's face it, PS move was the dumbest thing ever.


Let's remember it wasn't just Cav's who Sagan elbowed its everyone else who fell behind him
No, it wasn't dumb it was the reaction to a lot of other things - specifically the guy in front of him and Cav trying to shoot a gap that wasn't there.

Furthermore the consequence is wildly inappropriate.



Your honor...the above picture is a woefully inadequate depiction of the chain of events and I move to have it stricken from the record.
Incidents like today lead me to want to turn off the TV and not watch road cycling for a while. What happened to the beauty of our sport? Neither the carnage of crashes, the brutality of sprinters fighting for position nor the ham handed actions of the UCI make me feel good about the sport.

I may end up feeling differently about this in days to come. It takes balls for the UCI to DQ a wildly popular and money making rider like Sagan. I hope that in time we won't be looking at this as a bad call but instead as the beginning of a series of efforts to enforce rules that lead to safer racing. I am not optimistic. Time will tell. 
I should probably add that I can't remember the last time the UCI made a ruling we felt good about