Feb 12, 2014 at 07:55 PM
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Feb 12, 2014 at 07:57 PM
@Erika I can't see squat with a cap on under my hat. I gave up long ago 
Feb 12, 2014 at 08:21 PM
@Jules, does that mean you've developed the power of echolocation? or have you abandoned all hope of ever getting to wear a cap?
@Gwynna, I haven't measured circumference but it fits me fairly snug with enough stretch in the elastic to be comfortable and with enough extra material in the back for proper luft.
Feb 12, 2014 at 08:25 PM
omg do want race suit.
As for razor bibs... what's the comparison to normal bibs? Size up, size down? Logic has me thinking "stay the same" but experience with CS has me thinking that I might be stupid to assume so.
Feb 12, 2014 at 08:26 PM
Well since you *did* ask, I am now able to echo-locate, but only if I'm yodeling in a ceramic subway car, and even then it involves a lot of tripping & falling.Erika Tarte said:@Jules, does that mean you've developed the power of echolocation? or have you abandoned all hope of ever getting to wear a cap?@Gwynna, I haven't measured circumference but it fits me fairly snug with enough stretch in the elastic to be comfortable and with enough extra material in the back for proper luft.
Since I'm unwilling to compromise on fashion, and unable to see, I've opted for the Blind Ref style of racing this year. YMMV.
Feb 12, 2014 at 08:28 PM
@Konrad, you want same size but go with the longer length.konrad said:omg do want race suit.As for razor bibs... what's the comparison to normal bibs? Size up, size down? Logic has me thinking "stay the same" but experience with CS has me thinking that I might be stupid to assume so.
(If you ask nicely your clothing guy can arrange to have a fit-kit at Ride Brooklyn prior to the next order.)
Feb 12, 2014 at 08:31 PM
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Feb 12, 2014 at 08:59 PM
@Jules longer length... really?! I want that Cancellara or Boonen in Roubaix look. 
Awwww yeaaaaah.
The "above the kneecap" photo on the CS site scares me.
EDIT: If anybody is gonna tell me I need about 20 lbs of muscle to look like that - plz zip it!
Feb 12, 2014 at 09:03 PM
The casquette under the helmet is essential for that early season euro pro approach. Along with strong embrocation and aranesp.
Feb 12, 2014 at 09:04 PM
Depends on your thigh length. Jules has long legs, so the long shorts are still skimpy on him. Unfortunately for me, with shorter legs, even the "short" razors still practically fit like knickers.
Feb 12, 2014 at 09:05 PM
Feb 13, 2014 at 03:55 AM
Any thoughts on the sizing difference between standard and razor bibs? I wear medium razor bibs and they fit okay. Medium fleece bibs are slightly too large. Which should I base a standard order on? Same with skinsuit sizing?
Feb 13, 2014 at 05:58 AM
@Yang I can only speak to the women's versions, but FWIW my medium standard bibs are slightly looser in the rear and significantly looser in the waist than my medium razor bibs. The razor's grippers were heavenly for a while, but are now stretched to the point of flaring.
Feb 13, 2014 at 02:13 PM
I wear medium razor edge and regular bibs. In my experience, the non-razor shorts are tighter around the thighs; the elastic gripper expands less. I don't layer the non-razors with tights because they are too...tight.
I think when I was measuring myself my measurements said go small with the razor bib shorts, but the small I tried on was WAY too small. Couldn't get my legs through the gripper.
Feb 13, 2014 at 02:20 PM
I have found the razors are glorious on their own, but pretty feeble at keeping leg/knee warmers up when compared to the traditional style.
Feb 13, 2014 at 02:39 PM
... and definitely don't try putting your gels underneath the elastic, found that out in the first mile of a 50 mile race :B
Feb 13, 2014 at 04:02 PM
Not everyone has GIANT QUADS like you Rigby.Brendan Rigby said:I wear medium razor edge and regular bibs. In my experience, the non-razor shorts are tighter around the thighs; the elastic gripper expands less. I don't layer the non-razors with tights because they are too...tight.
Feb 13, 2014 at 04:32 PM
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Feb 13, 2014 at 04:41 PM
FWIW my razor bibs are still okay after last year's road season. A little faded, but grips and chamois are fine. I've never machine washed them, always handwash.
Feb 13, 2014 at 05:41 PM
@Gwynna, They're still functional and I loved the feel so much I bought another pair yesterday. Since there's minimal "sausage casing" effect w/ the razor grippers, I went down a size to see if that might help (I was kinda between the two sizes last time I tried the fit kit anyway). And I'm going to start handwashing. They're worth it IMO.
Feb 13, 2014 at 06:09 PM
I found the razors hold up fine but I have many shorts I rotate through. However, they ride up on me even without warmers underneath. So I always have to tug them back down when I use them. They do look cool though.
Feb 13, 2014 at 08:14 PM
I have one pair and have not experienced flaring. Although it sounds exciting.
Feb 13, 2014 at 09:02 PM
Sweater bags. This way your shorts won't get worn or stretched by the action of the washer.David Yang said:FWIW my razor bibs are still okay after last year's road season. A little faded, but grips and chamois are fine. I've never machine washed them, always handwash.
Feb 13, 2014 at 09:13 PM
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Feb 13, 2014 at 09:30 PM
I typically wash my cycling kit right as I strip to take a shower. Take it off, turn on the shower, wash it all out while I wait for the water to warm up.
Also, I ended up going with a pair of the long razors. If the legs are that tight I don't want to risk pulling on the croch area and not having that be snug. Either my ankles are too fat or my legs are too long for the winter tights, but the crotch sags just a bit and that little bit of a gap causes some problems I'd rather not have. On the bright side: it motivates me to stay seated while climbing.
Feb 13, 2014 at 10:41 PM
I mean those mesh bags, yes. While I haven't worn or washed Razor shorts, I have worn out shorts in the wash. My shorts started lasting longer after I started bagging them. I'm a bit lost as to why the ends of the legs would flare on the razors, but I figure that limiting the rubbing that the short legs have against machines should do well for the grippers.Gwynna Smith said:Oh THANK YOU for the tip, JP. 'Cause I'm kinda fundamentally opposed to handwashing cycling gear. Knock wood, I've had great luck machine washing, but I was worried for these. The razors would be the most money I've ever spent on cycling clothing (though I do own two pairs of $150-$175 winter tights, I paid nothing close to that).I assume you mean mesh bags, that might also be labeled stocking/pantyhose bags (as an FYI for those who might try to search for them).
Washing on cold and air drying should help as well.
Feb 13, 2014 at 10:55 PM
@mugwump the flare is more of like a slight outward roll (think "boot cut" not "bell bottom") that I believe is the result of machine washing combined with stretching the grippers over leg warmers. I love the razors so much I'll continue to chose them over the standard CS bibs. But after only 6-ish months, mine have the elasticity of a second hand balloon.
Feb 13, 2014 at 11:01 PM
It's probably due to the preternatural flexing of your thighs as you stomp through the winter months on your trainer. Just saying.Erika Tarte said:@mugwump the flare is more of like a slight outward roll (think "boot cut" not "bell bottom") that I believe is the result of machine washing combined with stretching the grippers over leg warmers. I love the razors so much I'll continue to chose them over the standard CS bibs. But after only 6-ish months, mine have the elasticity of a second hand balloon.
Feb 14, 2014 at 12:06 AM
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Feb 14, 2014 at 12:35 AM
@konrad can you post a step by step guide with pictures please???