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Am I missing where the HPCX thread is?  I don't see one, which is weird, because this is a pretty popular race with the KCC crowd.

Here it is, then.

Race info can be found here: https://www.bikereg.com/Net/21720

I finally pulled the trigger on the 45+.  I'll be mixing it up with Harry, Jim, and Jim.  Anyone driving out from the City early?


Frankenstorm!
Blizzicane!
Stock up on water and ammo!

Thus went the news cycle this week if you weren't paying attention to the Election, or Armstrong's legacy coming apart like a defective heat shield on orbital reentry.

My family was concerned with none of it as we all shouldered & passed around the second of two colds, the one we named "The Wallop."

As Lisa & I shuddered with fever and tried to manage two sick & cranky kids my visions of HPCX were right up there with 30 degree rides in the rain: "Yeah, right.  Sounds good on paper but Ain't. Gonna. Happen."

Ever the optimist (or willing to rail against the fates), I took my Black, Yellow and Red horse - aka "The Pork Chop Express" - out to the park for a tentative poke in the eye of all things sickly on Friday.

After a feeble 15 minute tempo I uncorked a searing sub 500 watt single minute effort and crawled home, dejected, defeated, downtrodden, and drenched in the cold, stinky sweat of failure and age.  If I owned a cat I woulda kicked it when I got home.  HARD.

Hope springs eternal and come Saturday afternoon after protesting this race wasn't going to happen ("No way no how") I once again coaxed old Pork Chop out of the stable (with promises of latte and a muffin) for a brief trip to the proving grounds.

Inspired by Jeff White and his resplendent tan lines (still) I reached for that same feeble measurement of success, the One Minute Maximum.  Shockingly, my Garmin grinned back at me like a prize fighter's mirror; with a broad blood stained grin and swollen eyelids it read nearly 600 watts.  Well, well... apparently I'm not dead... yet.

Thus it was I found myself hoisting old Pork Chop atop the family van in the pitch dark predawn hours and driving through the "night" toward the next installment of the Mid-Atlantic Cross series, the "HPCX."

We stood in line waiting for the heavens to unleash and listening to music so bad I swear my ears were whimpering like baby seals in mid-bludgeon.  Jeff dryly remarked, "I expect a VHS vido of wood-shop to accompany this."

Handsome Joe was there, as were Dave, Patrick, Dave Dusan, Jim, Jim's progeny and two or three other Kissenas that I'm not so sure about.  Some unknown characters named "Eric" and "Mike" were alleged to have promised to arrive later but since none have ever seen or met them, it was widely viewed as myth.

...
I'm 35+
I think I'm cooked.  Been sick for a week, still not better.  The plague is now creeping through the whole family.  2014 goal; make it through CX season without contracting new variant of Martian Deth Flu.
Ah crap. I shoulda signed up for the 4/5. 

I guess if we think there will be day of I could still go if there's a ride for me? 

There's also almost 98 registered but its not capped tip 125 so I could probably get in.
Sorry you won't make it Jules....you will be missed. it's a great race Ryan, you should come if you can. 
Jules....race predictor has u winning Sunday. BTW...what happened to the old martian death flu??
@Ryan. Email promoter and ask if you could have Jules' spot
dstokes said:
@Ryan. Email promoter and ask if you could have Jules' spot
More worried about the ride than the reg. If there's space in the race, and it looks like there's plenty, I kinda doubt they'll refuse my money.
Ryan I'll pick you in BK
6nov
regarding Highland Park (HPCX)
...any cat4/5 8:30am or Masters45+ racers have vehicle &room for me,
or
care to share a zipCar?

i race @9:30am.
-harryB

hbolickgmail.com / 718-640-8680
Josh - will likely take you up on that. Thanks!

Lemme just try to confirm day of is available.
day of should be available no problem....you will have to pay a late fee - usually $10. 
Yup - it's actually on the bikereg page. It wasn't fully displaying on my phone.

Josh, we'll coordinate offline.
Well after all that, I overslept! Alarm didn't go off, I'm not even sure why, it looks set correctly. First time in five years of racing I've missed a raced that way!

Hey, a big thanks to all of the KCC folks who cheered and helped me today. I don't always thank them, but the pit guys (Nelson and Josh) were excellent with my pit stop because of my bent derailleur hanger (wheeeee crash at speed as my bars brabbed bar tape - whoomp).

Awesome cheering all over the course. Thanks everyone. It means something.

E

Ouch ... ain't no yardsale like a bars-into-the-tape yardsale....

Looking forward to reading the reports. I agree, great cheering all around. I had to jet quickly after my race so no proper chance to debrief with my fellow Cat 2/3/4s.

In summary, here's what I know, which is little at this point:
  • Nice results in the Cat 4/5 race with Konrad taking 3rd and reporting to me that he feels ready to upgrade to Cat 3.
  • Jim Feehan and JP Partland did their own version of "Hulk Smash" in the 45+ race against some poor non-Kissena riders. Not sure where they ended up in the results. 20/21?
  • David Stokes gave me the thumbs up when I shouted across the field, "How'd your race go?"
  • At last count in the 35+ race, Eric Robertson hung tough, while Eric Ragot looked solid in 15th place overall, maybe a bit higher due to the juniors riding in that field too.
  • The Cat 2/3/4 race standout had to be Todd McLoughlin finishing 14th.

Great day all around. Write those reports I want to hear all the gore!

Of particular note for veterans of HPCX is that they changed the course significantly. Adding so much more climbing (and 1/2 terrifying flying downhills too). On balance I enjoyed the changes. Especially the inclusion of a not insignificant section of additional pavement--a climbing/rising stretch. Nice to be able settle in for some bump/root/dust free hammer time.


PS, If I got any of the placings wrong, forgive me, my brain is still a little extra toasty from my race. (It was hard...even if you finish at the back.)
I have to agree about the course. For the most part I really enjoyed the changes though they didn't bode well for my chances today. The climbs killed me and I barely hung on to be able to do all five laps in the 45+ race but there were certainly many enjoyable moments flying through curves and bombing the downhills. Very fun day overall and great to see so many Kissena's out there.
Yeah, hillier. Both up and down. I tagged along with Joaquin C de Baca (I just love typing it all the way out) on a whim and did day-of reg for the 2/3/4 field, giving me a DFL starting position. I traveled for work all week and hadn't turned a pedal since Northampton a week before.

I felt like poopoo-caca before, during, and after the race. I went from dead last to a meager 15 or so from the back during the course of the hole shot. I doubt I passed ten more people during the remainder of the race and made it stick. I passed Hotlist about a quarter of the way through lap one, and thought he was on a really horrible day or something. But he came back up to me for the second lap and rode hot(list) on my wheel for the better part of a lap. 

At some point during lap three, I fell upon the Bad Times and let the black, dark nothingness creep into my heart. And much like Atreu's faithful steed Artax, found myself sinking inexorably into the mire. Mere seconds after the Nothingness took hold of my racing soul, Hotlist assumed my place with some searing commentary about the race being up the road and nowhere remotely in the vicinity of where we were. Ow, dude. Apparently Hotlist is Hotlist even on a 30-second uphill anaerobic leg torcher.

I got my shit somewhat together (thanks in no small part to the amazing cheers from Konrad, Nelson, Ragot, Stokes, Robertson, and probably others!!!!) and got myself back to the List for around a lap of bf/gf heckles from the peanut gallery. But then I started, again, to succumb to the cold creeping death. The guy behind me looked like he was gaining (he wasn't, he never got within three or four seconds me), and somehow in the descents I slowly let a gap open up to Hotlist's wheel with two to go. I desperately wanted to just stop racing and start riding the course for fun, but this dude behind me wouldn't let up and lo and behold, while I was fretting about the race behind, Hotlist kept his eyes UP and made contact with three flagging fellows (two turtle doves, etc). They quickly dispatched one of them and the List got himself second wheel in the resultant group of three.

I got around the dispatched man (he was a sad sight) and made loose contact with the group of three. In front of me was Rog of 6Cycle (formerly NYVelocity), then Hotlist, then some other dude. I would not be catching the list today, I could see it plainly. But I ended up battling with Rog, which was not at all what I was interested in doing today. I had a long week of work and travel and my internal clock is all fucked up. But I couldn't get away from this wheel that was right there. It just never disappeared. I wished it away, believe me. Every corner's hope that the wheel would be gone on the other side ended in agitation. I tried to give the wheel excuses to leave, but it just couldn't quit me.

On the most brutal climb on the final lap of the course, I was horrified to find myself investing in some kind of passing attempt and got myself around Rog (the wheel), who wearily said, "fuck, take it." In the process, I got all up in Hotlist's business. Half a lap to go. Which was fucking bullshit because he was faster today and I hollered at him as much, half out of bitterness from the lecture he administered earlier. Apparently his battle with the other dude had taken its toll on the overall pace. That's a lesson.

I was hot on the List's tail, and the Hotlist was right on the other dude's wheel in the final descent to the final right-hander and the final uphill drag to the finish.

Here's where the story gets AMAZING ....

Hotlist never catches his dude and Rog came off my wheel in the last 100 feet of the sprint to take my place.

Why did I spend the last half hour writing this up? 
@White I'm not that surprised to hear he nabbed you at the end; Rog can sprint... and crash his bike like a missile too (if anyone can dig out that GMSR artillery-strike wipeout video) when the need arises.

But still, sounds like a fine day to ride knobby tires, creeping death notwithstanding.
Great read Jeff..and sorry your day didn't happen the way you wanted. Yea, a lot of changes....I dug the new top section, and the fact that the start did not go up the gravel climb, as in years past. The first lap of the 4 race was like a demolition derby, starting at the holeshot, with some dude hitting the inside line at full speed, and trying to turn it like he was in a crit. "Scrunch!" Tape flying, stakes shattering - the whole smash. Down he, and a few others went. Being at the front was absolutely essential, though there was trouble there too. I made it through okey, then proceeded work relentless climbing that did not seem to trade 50/50 with descents. At the end of the day, I finished in the top half, 38th place. Nothing to write home about, but better than 50 others, and a honest day's work.
P.S. I too, appreciate the cheering. It gives a much needed kick in the pants when your pedals feel like they are being held down by 16 ton weights. 
P.S.P.S. - Congrats Konrad!! - Patrick, Nelson, Josh (hope i got everyone) always great racing with you guys!
I like HPCX. I think fondly of my very first 'cross race which was in the C's at the original venue in Highland Park. There was a run-up followed by a quick 180 where you were meant to remount and then ride down straight down into the mud. I didn't know how to handle the remount. I muffed it so badly one time that I had to waddle down the hill while straddling my bike, which was very embarrassing. After the race, Ragot showed my how to remount with my bike at 90 deg to the incline and convinced me to race again with the B's. I started and rode long enough to feel like I had mastered the remount. I was hooked.

The current venue has decent elevation changes (as referred to above), with which I have a sort of love/hate relationship. Ragot pointed out that we really couldn't call this 'climbing', because the two killer hills were really only 30 sec efforts, which is what we train for in 'cross anyway. But skinny people make better use of their limited wattage on these uphill efforts than . . . non-skinny people.

Got there quite early with Jim and friend (John) and JP and had plenty of time to pre-ride the course. As Jeff said, it was quite different from previous years. I wondered if the organizers decided to change it up to cater to the hard, dry ground. The result was two grinding uphills (instead of one) and long bombing descents, which seemed dicey at first, but were fun once you knew where they were going. The usual off-camber, uphill-downhill chicane leading into an awkward dismount over the barriers and run-up into the main heckling zone. Plenty of acorn and leaf strewn turns in whatever grass had survived the 3rd driest October in history. A little gravel, fast sweeping turns at the bottom of the course (where Ragot met his demise), over a couple of off-camber bumps around the tennis court before starting the climb again.

Went to registration and to discover that I had forgotten to pre-reg. Whoops. Pin my number and sit in the car a while trying to stay warm and argue with myself about whether I actually want to race. Jim asks me if I'm going to warm up. I say I am.

I take advantage of a disorganized 55+ lineup at the starting grid and simply go to the front row, even though I have the last number of the group. Official strolls up after letting the 45+ leave and says something about order of registration. Then she calls out "WHERE IS DAVID STOKES". After I raise my hand, she says "Go to the back!" Whoops. That was the extent of the 'call ups'. GO!

Mediocre start puts me mid field (out of 27). I'm behind Richard Sachs. I feel like I should beat him, but he's Richard Sachs so I give him some respect. I follow him for much of the first lap and decide he is - surprisingly - not that good on the technical bits. Actually a little sketchy at bombing the downhills. So I pass and dispatch him. That felt good so I repeat, and repeat, and repeat. Turns out the uphills are my friend (though they hurt). And I'm not too bad on the twisty bits, at least relative to others around me. Unlike last week when it was difficult to 'ride' the course, I could drop people on this course. Patrick tells me I'm in 7th. That sounds hopeful. I find more 2 or 3 more people with 500 series numbers (45+ have 400 series numbers and are just in the way - like citibike riders in the bikepath). Pass and dispatch. Am happy to get the bell and still feel like hammering. One more time up the hills and into the finish for what turns out to be 9th place. 8th place was at least 20 sec ahead of me. Next time I need a better start.



Next time a race official asks, "WHERE IS DAVID STOKES," you keep your goddamn mouth shut. And that isn't only directed at Dr. Stokes himself.
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Race report: It's all relative.

I'm frankly surprised that Jeff feels like he had a shitty race, because as you read above, he and I were kind trading blows at the back of the field together. And I felt like I raced if not well, at least as hard as I could. (Big thanks to Todd for not only driving both days, but keeping me/us on the pro program by getting to both races OVER 2 hours "early" each day, allowing plenty of quality warm-up/pre-riding time. VERY PRO Todd, very pro.) But after reading Jeff's report...I guess I suck? Here's how our race looked from my perspective.
  • The hole shot. I was fifth row at the start of a UCI approved wide and long-ish uphill smooth asphalt climb. Jeff was a further 3 or 4 rows back, DFL. We get the whistle and I'm a little undergeared and overwhelmed by other riders. And so I find myself puttering along, trying to avoid yahoos who are falling over and getting their bikes locked up together on the ground. This goes on for at least 4 turns and 2 off-camber stretches (including one where I'm doing a trackstand trying to move through two guys whose bikes are trying to absorb me like Captain Picard getting assimilated by the Borg). Whatever, I didn't get run over and bike broken (like at Nittany) or crashed in a straight-away (like Northampton) or T-boned into course tape (like Fair Hill). LIFE IS GOOD! Start racing...NOW!

  • Getting caught by Jeff. I know he had a DFL start and yet he's back up to me in short order! Here's where relativity starts to get hilarious. He writes above that he thinks I must be having a "really horrible day." I however, thought at that exact same moment in time, "Okay, Jeff must be going pretty well because he navigated all the hole-shot shit show solidly enough to get up to me quickly."

  • Getting passed by Jeff. Jeff reports that he had a crap week of "training" with work travel and no bike riding. Well, I, for the first time in MONTHS had a GOOD week of training. I kicked the previous week's flu bug for good and I was feeling relatively healthy all week and was able to ride/train THREE TIMES! My threshold power has seemed to finally moved a few clicks north of a positively pedestrian 240 watts. But I know that Jeff is a better rider than many of his results would indicate and I'm not totally surprised. But I am motivated...

  • Catching Jeff. Jeff is riding with a group of six or so. This is exactly the kind of action I want to be a part of. The previous day at Fair Hill in the 2/3/4 race, I felt lonely riding much of the race in similar position relative to the leaders, but with far less company. You always feel less sucky when you've got a crowd around you. The Jeff group is just a few seconds in front of me, but it takes me the better part of the lap to catch on. By the time I get up to my teammate on the homestretch paved climb, he's already crushed the will to live of several of his group and shit is legitimately fractured. I think, "well done, Jeff, well done. Now let's light this shit up some more."

  • Passing Jeff. I wanted to motivate. I wanted to pay back the favor Jeff did me a week earlier with his encouragement at Northampton. I wanted both of us to get to where we belonged in the race. There were dudes littered all over the course in front of us. We still had plenty of racing left. And so I shouted at him, at me. To keep us going. Throughout the race, on the climbs primarily, I felt sparks, flashes of my old self. They hurt, but I was catching and dispatching racers almost every lap, almost every climb. And despite what Dr. David "Space-Time Continuum" Stokes reports, they were NOT 30 seconds. They were long. (I guess if you are riding as well as Stokes is this season, they feel like they are only 30 seconds!)

  • Better than Katie Compton. The reigning US National Champ recently DNFed a race because of a mid-race asthma attack. I too am an asthma sufferer that has bizarrely gotten worse since a surgery a month or so ago. I can now be at home watching TV and suddenly feel like someone is strangling me. It's pretty much the most unpleasant thing I have ever experienced. But strangely I find relief in racing, the efforts, the refreshing fall air, the pain of racing, the endorphins, whatever, it all often helps me forget as I dig deep to catch Jeff or whomever is lingering in front of me a turn or two.

    Heading up a grassy and vaguely damp climb, I'm in deep. In full wheezing mode. But like a lot of asthmatics, I'm used to this. I know how to ride the line, I know how to manage. I sound terrible, but I'm still in control. I catch this guy, the climb gets steeper, then levels off. I keep the power on. The guys hears my lungs scream and says, "Dude, BREATHE." I think, "I am, I am. This may sound terrible to you. But this is what I know." It's not the new "I'm getting strangled" sensation, it's something much more familiar. I'm oddly happy at this moment. I've got a fast descent to recover my breath. But not right now. Right now, I have to put more time in between me and whomever is chasing. Right now I am better than Katie Compton.

  • Getting caught, almost, by Jeff. For the rest of the race, Jeff is just a turn or two behind me. He is well clear of the dude he was riding with when I first crawled my way back to him. But there are other guys starting to swarm, like cockroaches on a piece of dropped and forgotten food left to linger too long. Jeff is a worthy teammate and opponent. I'll accept a loss to him any day (I won't like it, mind you, because after all, I want to hulk smash EVERYONE, but I will accept it), but those other dudes? No way. They are not going to catch me. And so I keep on the gas as hard as I can.

  • Getting beat. With two laps to go, I catch a guy I don't recognize at all. I'm encouraged that I'm pulling back racers who have not been in my sight lines during the day. He looks lean and pro in his skin suit. I catch his wheel. I catch my breath. And then I have a terrible realization. This guy is not a good bike driver. FAR from it. He's going way too slow in the corners. It takes me 3 or 4 corners to realize that we are moving backwards. My forward momentum is stalled. I need to pass, but he bursts ahead on the early ramps of climbs and gaps me for a few seconds. I keep it steadier and catch him by the tops or around the next bend.

    But there's always a fast descent, a straight away for him to keep me at bay. A quick glance or two behind, with one lap to go, I know we're in trouble. I don't like fighting just one dude for lines at the end of a race, but he leaves me no choice. I don't want to get caught by Jeff or anyone else who is behind us now. I don't want to get pulled and placed because I'm too far behind the leaders. And so, on a wide grassy turn, I hammer the inside line and finally get past. Through the next couple of turns I'm still leading. But then the climbing begins again.

    He bursts past. I catch by the top again. He gaps me on the fast descent, I catch him on the next short dirt climb. He gaps me on the final descent to the pavement. Onto the asphalt he's too far ahead. I don't care. I'm going to sprint. Click, click two gears down the cog and I'm out of the saddle. Side to side I sway. Head down, wishing I could somehow get my fingers to click one more gear. But I'm in too deep. Fingers are clenched, neurons sending all power to my legs. All I can do is spin faster and faster. He looks back at me meters from the line. Mistake. Don't ever look back. I cross the line my front wheel just one wheel behind his front. I scream in frustration at how close I came.
Two racers, two teammates placing just about the same, two very different stories. Were we bad? Were we good? All I know for certain is that a lot of guys beat us, but we beat quite a few too. Clearly, I've got work to do. Mistakes to correct, fitness to gain, skills to improve. BUT, I  could not have ridden any harder. And in the end, for me, then it's nothing but good.
I raced the 2/3/4's at both Fair Hill and HPCX this weekend.  I was 21st at Fair Hill and 14th at HPCX.

Fair Hill was ok.  I was in 6th or so after the first lap, but went backwards the entire rest of the race.  I struggled on some off-camber up-and-down turns and just couldn't go fast enough on the other sections to make up for it.  I scored one personal victory though.  I successfully rode the uphill log hop section each lap (I struggled with a similar section in the past.)    

HPCX was pretty good.  Despite a stronger field than at Fair Hill, I placed higher and I beat a few guys that I don't normally beat.  After a messy first lap, I settled somewhere in the mid-teens and held my ground over the rest of the race.  On the last few laps, I worked with the rider in 13th to close a gap to a group of 3 a turn in front of us.  We were damn close at the bell, but never made it.  At the finish I was a few seconds behind 13th and a few more seconds behind 10th - 12th.  Not too bad.  A few seconds faster and it would be even better.

The cheering at HPCX was awesome.  Thanks guys.

Although I was listed in the results at the race, it appears my placing never made it to USA Cycling or crossresults.com.  I'll try to get it fixed, but I'm not hopeful.  This actually poses an interesting question.  If a result is not posted on the internet, did it really happen?  I'm going with "yes".

My mid-season malaise continued with a placing in the high 20s. 

I had an OK start and settled in at the end of the long strung out front group. 

I was struggling on the climbs but sitting around 17th at my best. 

From there I kinda fell apart and moved backwards about 2 places per lap. My back has been killing me and that didn't help on a course like this. 


Thanks to JP Eric and Nelson for the help getting my bikes into racing shape at the last minute. 


Hey Todd - If the promoter won't help you, you should talk to Tom Mahoney, Technical Programs Manager at USAC..719 434 4216. He might be able to make it right. Protest period issues should be irrelevant since the result was properly recorded on site. Good luck man.
I was hoping for good juju at HPCX.  Last year, it was my best effort of the season, though the results don't show it because I rolled a tire and had to run to the pit.  Got out there early with the Jim Nelson crew, and was pretty excited by the new layout.  

Of course, that excitement was tempered with my start position--53rd.  At least Nelson, Feehan, and Harry had better positions.  For me, it meant I had to really kill it on the opening paved section, or there was no chance of doing well.  The guy in front of me at the start, Karl Rahn, had a hole open before him, and moved up to 10th before the grass.  I didn't get the same hole.  So it was traffic for me. 

After the run-up, the race finally opened up, and of course, I had people who just couldn't go fast in front of me.  Passing in the woods wasn't easy and they were letting gaps open.  I passed one guy on the inside of a turn, then quickly caught the next guy before the fast off-camber right.  I chose to gun it and go wide.  Too fast.  I was headed off course, I skidded, hit the tape, and hopped off my bike, turning it 180 to the course direction, and four guys passed me.  Back on, and climbing, I passed them back and the guy I was trying to pass in the first place.  If I had just waited through that off-camber, I would have been way ahead.  

Passed Harry on the last grassy hill of the course--who cheered me on and I should have told him that cx is looking good for him--and moved up some more.  Kept on passing riders until I caught Jim Feehan in a group on that same hill a lap later.  As much as I like Jim, it seemed like the smartest thing to do was attack the group.  I could tell I was climbing better than the group and might as well press my advantage.

Jim was only one of two of that group to make it to my wheel.  I was carrying too much speed at the top of the hill and barely made the turn. Jim yelped.  No matter, there were three of us.

Jim took over after the run-up and I followed him until that off-camber by the tennis courts where I overcooked on the first lap.  This time I slid out.  Got up, hopped back on and motored back.  Jim took much of the pace until the paved hill.  He moved over to let our non-kissena guy pull, which is where I attacked.  I gapped Jim, but the other guy was on the ropes.  I pressed my advantage all the way to the finish for 21st. 20th was in sight.  Without the crashes...le sigh.