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Racing – Strategy, Tactics & Prep

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I would have loved it, but Monday & Tuesday nights are out for me unfortunately.
giggin that nite, so no go :(
@JP, I'm guessing no chance for another night?
Ros,
We're up to two.  

Any other takers?  Noobs?  
I will be there but I might be a bit late around 7:15.
bump!

show up!
bump it up.  
Show up.
Get smarter.
Win.
Monday night.  7pm.
Location ???
I am thinking Commonwealth Bar

"Commonwealth is a pretty decent bar at the corner of 5th Ave. and 12 St. in Park Slope, Brooklyn. We’re open every day until 4 a.m.  There’s lots of booze, a spacious patio, a famous jukebox, and a great pinball machine.  We also have a giant umbrella, and our regulars don’t suck."
Sounds good to me. I'll be there.
I'm offering up water bottles for those who show.
Will be there.
Last Call.

7pm.  commonwealth.  Meet in the front, there's a table in the front corner by the corner.

I'll be there JP.
Thanks once again, JP, for a great talk and a nice get together.  I appreciate the handouts, and the awesome water bottles.  We had a nice turnout with Phil, David, Rick and Thierry.  And, as always, my legs started hurting towards the end.  All that talk about sprinting really gets me exhausted.
Thanks again @JP for all the insight. Much appreciated.
Bump!

This talk is typically given a week or so before the race season begins in march.  I'll put up a poll for a date shortly.


mugwump said:
Bump!

This talk is typically given a week or so before the race season begins in march.  I'll put up a poll for a date shortly.


This talk got me a spot on the podium at Battenkill.  Don't miss it.
BuMP!

If you're interested in this, take the poll that has been posted here

http://kissenacycling.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1086/tactics-talk-poll-2-14#latest
Great example of teamwork here from today's Dwars door Vlaanderen especially how having a teammate in the chase group can help

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I held off on my own Devolder, Søorensen, and Valverde, true, but they always had doubt because Gert was in their wheel,” said Terpstra
http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/03/news/terpstra-wins-dwars-door-vlaanderen_321306
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Bump. It was here all along. Sorry I didn't find it before I posted my "tactics and tips" on the training thread.

In this coming weekend's Master's Day at Prospect Park, Deno's Wonder Wheel has flooded the 50+ race leaving Thierry and Mitch to fend for themselves. Which, actually is a good thing.

With 8 riders in what is now a smallish field, Deno's should be responsible for driving the pace to keep the 40+ field from catching. Now, they may decide their best option is to instead fire off attacks and get a breakaway going, leaving the pack stragglers to get eaten up by the chasing 40+ field.

In either case, KCC should be sitting pretty. Either slotted in taking a ride on the Wonder Wheel high tempo train, OR, going with Deno's stronger riders as they attempt to form a break. The secret here is getting in a move with a Wonder Wheel, and VOILA! you too now have 7 teammates blocking for you!
^Deno's isn't the threat.  It's Axis, IMHO.

@Jules

 Deno's has the bodies, but you're right Axis has stronger riders, and ride more cohesively. Axis is probably going to disrupting any chase in the 40+ while trying to get Paul into a break from the 50+.

So what's our plan in that situation?

Also should we be looking to have a small group to jump across to the 50+ with Eric or Jules, so we devote a few guys to the early chase, and then launching those guys when we get within 45-30 seconds of the main 50+ field?

I think Axis won't "disrupt" they'll just wait.  If the chase gets close enough they'll counter attack or bridge.

Both Erin & Paul are going super strong right now so a good bet would be to bridge with Erin if it gets close enough.

I'm feeling a little burned out on racing right now so I'm 70/30 if I'll race; but if I do I'm happy to work for Eric.

The way it looks right now though, Charlie is going to have to give the head start to the 40+ field!


Deno's will be pinning all there hopes on Scott Gregoire in a bunch sprint no matter what, he's also strong in a break. If you are on Scott's wheel it's a safe bet. I don't see a catch happening. Good luck guys.
Axis likes to do tandem attacks. I see an early break from the 50+. 40+ERS better not wait around.
The 40+ needs the head start. I'm using this race as warm up for Sunday. So, I'll be ready for a break but can't see myself slaying it to bring down the gap. It will cost me on Sunday.
I'm back from NZ! Kiwi Patty Bevin (now on Garmin) wins the NZ TT champs and is our new prodigal son so to speak. Look for him in the pro tour this year, capable of beating the likes of Caleb Ewan — huge talent. Racing is all go down there pre Tour Down Under. I went out on a couple of rides and got my legs torn off by guys who can sit out there in a headwind pumping out 380 Watts mile after mile. Nowhere to hide.

If you're new to racing, or not so new, I think you'll find the video below is most instructive. The commentary gives you insight into the strategy & tactics that go into a race similar to what Bertucco was suffering through at Dairylands this past year. It's all in there. The racing is safe down under, due to the level of respect towards the welfare of fellow riders, there's also a lot more bootstrapping of new racers.

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/01/what-does-it-take-to-win-a-stage-of-thebay-crits/
^outstanding John, and welcome back! Anyone capable of beating CE is no joke.