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That guy looks like he eats carbon bikes for breakfast. Watch out!
Hey everyone- the minutes from tonight's (June 3, 2024) board meeting/town hall are below. As always reach out to any of the board members if you have any questions/comments!

Membership/Recruitment

·       Leverage publishing on Strava going forward may be helpful


Sponsorship

·       Shop Ride on 6/1 went well. RB was happy with the turn out and stoked on the jerseys

·       Look into an evergreen poster with QR code that links to monthly shop ride

·       Auto affiliation for RB employees (if not a member of another). Looking into number of employees and length of employment, etc. to see if feasible  

 

Communication

·       Spoke with Shane from TBD and park riding protocol

·       Idea of putting an island to separate bike and jogger lane at the bottom of the park proposed as part of the park revitalization- keeping an eye on this

  

Clothing

·       Looking into expanding our clothing collection to include some of ChampSys running lines

 

Other

·       Pat spoke with TBD member about social media: Key take aways (i) decentralized in nature, (ii) google sheet available to club to keep everyone updated on what projects are going on, (ii) social media manager handles posting schedule, (iv) participants in writing, reviewing, photographing, etc. get credit for the work and receive a sponsorship incentive for the work

      o   Big Hurdles: (i) Fear that the heavy lift will fall to a few people and if person leaves/doesn’t want to do it anymore, the whole strategy is derailed, (ii) not enough content, (iii) what incentives can we offer to make it enticing for people to partake?

 

Races

·       Starting back up! Keep an eye out for volunteer links

Friendly reminder that this month's board meeting is tonight, Monday, July 1st @ 8:15pm.  RSVP/join at the link below.

https://calendar.app.google/7ozoqA8p1j7Zd2MK9

Also, don't forget to submit any questions, comments, or suggestions in the suggestion box on the sidebar of the forum.

The August board meeting is coming up on Monday, August 5th @ 8:15pm.  Come by, join us, and share your opinions on how we run the club and other topics.  RSVP at the link below.

https://calendar.app.google/2dX4kzncHS9tQPwR8

This month one of the main topics is about our potential switch to Hincapie clothing as a kit supplier.  George approached us and we've been through initial talks.  There are a number of benefits they can provide (see their pitch deck here), but because of George's history after leaving Kissena, we want to open the discussion up and hear from anyone who has any concerns and/or thoughts about this potential partnership.  If you have concerns, but are unable to make the meeting, please feel free to message me or any of the other board members.
Fucking hell doper kit? That would be a sad, sad day.
@Jules while we understand your position, no pressure, if possible, please consider joining the call or perhaps expand a bit here. 
While the Hincapie doper history is problematic at best, the pitch deck, to me, is positively strange.

Leveraging social media, getting five passes to a GF Hincapie event, getting George to come hang out with us (waiving is "normal" $10k fee) all seem pretty beside the point for our organization.  Though it might well be pointing out what they want the business relationship to be about.

I wanted to know about what gear cost what and how well they deal with the typical issues that seem to come up when dealing with custom orders.  Yet I didn't feel they told me what they were offering in these respects.  

I do appreciate that they remembered what the ancient Kissena jerseys of the 80s looked like.  
In addition to JP’s points, my two cents are (1) I’m pretty happy with CS and (2) after having spoken with the new owner at rasputitsa, I’m convinced that she is very willing to work with us on anything to improve quality or service - both of which I think are pretty good
That's a good point, JP.

And you are right, the deck is not intended to be an all encompassing. We spent an hour phone conversation with them  -- George, Rich, and his wife, Drew.

Please feel free to be specific on what you consider needs to addressed.  Some of the typical issues:
  • We still need to discuss price, which might depend on the volume of recent Champion orders. 
  • They can send some samples, so we can gather on size and quality
  • They are able to setup a private store, or even a public one, and drop ship directly orders.
  • Unsurprisingly, as the custom fitness apparel has matured, they likely can match competitors 1:1.
@mugwump anything we are missing or should include?

On a personal note, my intuition is that there is some motivation for this deal to happen, so if you feel strongly otherwise, please consider joining the call or write a post on why. 

cc @Jules ( with love & respect: "sad sad day" is not likely enough to sway the board) 

@LennartZandbergen I think I agree with you.
I've been giving this some thought, and at this point the possiblity of this relationship leaves me feeling quesy. I stated before that everyone ought to be entitled to not be judged by the worst thing they ever did, (especially if they are genuinely remorseful and have done something to make ammends). That Hincapie continues to associate and collaborate with Armstrong, when virtually all his other former teammates have disassociated themselves from him (not so much for the doping, but for the bullying, slander, lying, etc), seems to me problematic. I find the Champ Sys kit to be fine, and don't see what we'd gain from switching, especially given the optics and ethics of being associated with that corner of the cycling world. 
I’ll try and join the call. I did send some more detailed thoughts to Dave & JP.

I’m not sure what the motivation is to switch. Seems like just yesterday the club was switching then switched back to CS. It’s a ton of work to get the kit looking proper and CS has (still?) fantastic rates, no minimums, good quality, broad range of items and ships directly to individuals if we like.

Why choose Hincapie over the two dozen other manufacturers?

(I sure as hell wouldn’t want to rock up to a Myerson-led cx clinic in doper-kit!)
Minutes from tonight's (8/5) meeting:

Membership/Recruitment

  • 2 new members! Welcome, can't wait to see you out riding!

Sponsorship

  • Bulk helmet order: Orange Kask Protone ($300) are back in stock. Ride Brooklyn offering 20% off bulk order of 15 or more (15% if under 15). Club will further subsidize $20 per helmet. All cost to member is $220. Keep an eye out for Patrick’s email

Clothing

  • Hincapie approached us about becoming our kit sponsor
  • We haven’t discussed numbers, but board and present members discussed whether his history is a     nonstarter, pros of continuing the conversation and maybe ultimately going with them (kit quality, they’re offering social media exposure and PR) and cons (history as a  former doper, changing kit supplier is a PITA)
  • Voted whether to go forward: unanimously voted against by those in attendance 

Finance

  • Bank account is healthy
eloy said:
That's a good point, JP.

And you are right, the deck is not intended to be an all encompassing. We spent an hour phone conversation with them  -- George, Rich, and his wife, Drew.

Please feel free to be specific on what you consider needs to addressed.  Some of the typical issues:
  • We still need to discuss price, which might depend on the volume of recent Champion orders. 
  • They can send some samples, so we can gather on size and quality
  • They are able to setup a private store, or even a public one, and drop ship directly orders.
  • Unsurprisingly, as the custom fitness apparel has matured, they likely can match competitors 1:1.
@mugwump anything we are missing or should include?

On a personal note, my intuition is that there is some motivation for this deal to happen, so if you feel strongly otherwise, please consider joining the call or write a post on why. 

cc @Jules ( with love & respect: "sad sad day" is not likely enough to sway the board) 

@LennartZandbergen I think I agree with you.
@Eloy

*Champ-Sys has a "Lifetime warranty, fitness flexibility, crash replacement and size guarantee."  That seems like a pretty good thing.  Does Hincapie do anything?

*I'd also want to know what happens when artwork isn't printed properly, or sizing is weird.  

*Lead times are important--the shorter the better.

*How they work their minimums.  This seemed to be an issue with Le Col.  

I also went through the Hincapie custom website.  I'm a bit disappointed in it, but then, it's rare that I see a custom cycling clothing site that does what I think it should do.  There are surprisingly few sample images of various clothing items--they might feel the "blank canvas" opens up design thoughts, but for me it suggests they don't have lots of customers or experience.  

I'm also feeling what Jules and Joe have articulated.  There might be good reasons to go with Hincapie, and yes, Hincapie is Kissena's most famous alum, but it needs to be really good, IMO, to overcome the doper discussions it might engender.  Charlie I also is a Kissena alum, and he didn't take the same route.
Minutes from tonight's (8/5) meeting:

Clothing

  • Hincapie approached us about becoming our kit sponsor
  • Voted whether to go forward: unanimously voted against by those in attendance 


Charlie once told me a story from his racing days; Charlie sat on the curb sobbing after a race while his father comforted him. Charlie just couldn't understand how George and the other guys could be *so* much faster than him. Charlie was pretty good in his day...
@mugwump

JP, those are all important considerations. Thanks for taking the time.

As stated, we decided against exploring Hincapie Sports any further.  

I want to thank everyone for stating their position on this. Honestly appreciated.
Apologies for the late notice here.  Our September board meeting is tonight at 8:15.  RSVP at the link below.

https://calendar.app.google/mKRkfXKUK6sdxPUm6

Main topics will be ride and event dates for Fall/Winter and starting planning for next year.
unfortunately I can't make it :( Will there be a recap or a recording of some sort I can review? 
Meeting minutes are usually posted here within a day or so.

Minutes from tonight's (9/3) Meeting:


Membership/Recruitment:

  • We had a new member ride and got some traction
  • Shop ride is upcoming on September 14th from Ride Brooklyn's Park Slope location at 8am (or GWB at 9am) 
  • Membership waiver is going to be updated to include the park riding protocol and guidance for group riding and other road/park users

Sponsorship:

  • Check out Ride Brooklyn's sale! Pat posted the details in Sponsorship thread
  • Pat is working through the details on the wrenching clinic with Ride Brooklyn 

Training/Development:

  • Winter is coming! Strat thinking about training plans, and equipment you'll need (smart trainer, clothing, tires)
  • Reaching out to Tim and Kathy about doing basecamp again or a group training plan

 Communication:

  • Elections timing discussed- if you’re interested in running for a board position, reach out to a board member to learn more
  • Elections likely to be in November (maybe December)
  • Discussed the club calendar and being making sure we keep this as up to date as possible

Rides/Races:

  • KCC Fall Foliage Ride in the works, keep an eye for a poll to find the best weekend in October
  • KCC Dirt/Cross Practice: Want to ride your bike in the grass or learn the skills and drills? Keep an eye out for some practice session
  • The annual KCC Hill Climb World Championship returns November 23rd! Get the legs ready to fight for the hotly contested Kissena Bowling Trophy of Champions and eat donuts!
  • Cyclocross calendar is live! See what races everyone is attending and how they're getting there!
Friendly reminder that our October board meeting is tonight at 8:15.  RSVP at the link below.

https://calendar.app.google/jr1Mj5VWfN2DzjRm7
Minutes from the Oct 7th Meeting on Monday:

Team Calendar and Events

  • Foliage Ride, Saturday Oct 26th or Sunday 27th
  • Annual Alpine Hill Climb Club Championship, Saturday Nov 23rd
  • Annual End of Year Party, possibility of hosting at member home, tentative for day after championship, Sunday Nov 24th

Training/Development

  • Winter Training Group Plans in lieu of BaseCamp (e.g. Better Base, Better Peak, Build to Peak, etc.)
  • Point person to organize group training
  • Time the plans to prep club for spring race season
  • Winter virtual & weekend group training

Board Elections
  • Plan early for longer transition runway for new board member onboarding
  • Begin to poll current board members on preference to stay, change position or leave
  • Inform and encourage new club members to participate

Sponsorship & Group Buys
  • Tech workshop at Ride Brooklyn followup
  • Smart trainer group buy through Ride Brooklyn. Clarify if things like Zwift items like Zwift Cog can be included.

Please don't hesitate to reach out to anyone on the board with questions, comments, requests.
Friendly reminder that our November board meeting is tonight at 8:15pm.  RSVP at the link below.

https://calendar.app.google/yjguzSwCCVTQiDo57

Meeting notes from tonight (11.6) meeting!

Elections:
  • Coming up! If you're interested in a position reach out to the current Board member/keep an eye out for when elections open (some current board members want to stay on board, others need to step back due to other commitments so there are positions to be had!)

Sponsorship:
  • Wrenching clinic Thursday, 11/14 at 7pm! Topic of the evening will be brakes and derailleurs: How to set them up and everything you want to know
  • Hosting more open events
  • Smart Trainer Buy: Reach out to Ride Brooklyn (small discount will apply without a group buy)
Team Calendar:
  • KCC Hill Climb World Championships! Mark your calendar for 11/23 and meet at the GWB at 9AM. Bring the legs, bring the power and see how well you go. Winner (new this year, we have categories too) takes home a sweet 1960s bowling trophy but everyone gets donuts, coffee and good times!
  • Year end party! Mark Taylor is graciously hosting on November 24th, details to follow.
  • We're going year end superlatives so if you want to award someone something message a Dave Yang, Matt or Greg!

Development:
  • Winter Training is coming up! If you want to train with friends and not suffer indoors alone, download the "Better Base, Better Peak" Velocious Plan (16 week plan, starting in early January)


Is Sunday’s year end party still a plan? 
Is Sunday’s year end party still a plan? 

Jeez i hope not :)
@David Yang 👀 ☝️
The year-end party scheduled for this Sunday (11/24) HAD BEEN POSTPONED.  More details to come on a new date.
Is KCC climbing championships still happening tomorrow morning at 9am @ GWB? 
Is KCC climbing championships still happening tomorrow morning at 9am @ GWB? 
Yes! If you show up, you have to carry one of us on your back.
Friendly reminder that our December board meeting is tonight at 8:15pm.  RSVP at the link below.

If you are interested in being on the board next year, come join us!

https://calendar.app.google/vtt2mzmMw1DdiwHP7