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Bicycle Computers (was Wahoo Elemnt/Bolt)

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Interesting to see what they’re going to bring to the table, as the market is pretty mature and there’s not a lot of innovative stuff I can think of that would make them stand out.

This review shows how little difference there is in performance between the three players now: none of the important stuff differs, unless you’re using super advanced aero sensors or want to do 40 hour rides without a powerbank. https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2024/05/bike-bike-gps-2024-garmin-hammerhead-karoo-review.html

It’s always been a matter of personal preference I guess. I bought a wahoo elemnt bolt six years ago and got it replaced within warranty with a V2 in 2021. My main reason for going with wahoo was that I didn’t like the Garmin companion app I had for my Vivoactive watch.
not much yet, but the coros is so far claiming 90 hours battery life 
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/products/90-hours-of-battery-life-this-unreleased-coros-cycling-computer-could-disrupt-the-market
welp, the Coros Dura computer is released today, but the reviews/comments are worst than less than stellar

Both DC and GP "not ready for market yet" 

DC thinks that this might be ready around spring 2025 

https://youtu.be/yyM59ND0SsU?si=YqCfwB1_G5N-z1QO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhCuyAIkN0w


That's bad. Clearly the developers must've known about these problems when the Dura waas announced last May, I wonder why they didn't hold back on it.
Wahoo has introduced the Trackr heart rate monitor.

Maybe I shouldn't be surprised that it seeems worse than the Tickr it is replacing.

Seems an "advantage" is that it comes with a rechargable battery with 100 hours of life.  I get several hundred of hours of life with a 2032 coin cell battery in the Tickr and I can change it in a minute.  I guess if I were swimming with it, I'd want a completely sealed unit, but I'm not.

The strap is pretty much what Polar has already been using for years.  

It's unclear from their copy if the unit stores HR data, "RACKR HEART RATE tracks beats per minute (BPM) in-activity as well as Average Heart Rate, Max Heart Rate and Total Calories in the activity summary in the Wahoo App. It provides heart rate variability (HRV) with a compatible app."

Better buy a replacement strap for my Tickr, as the straps are probably going to disappear soon.  
The dual click straps are kinda hard to find, or at least they were the last time I needed one, so I now use this one that has the hook.

Maybe wahoo was looking to reduce costs and this was the way? Else, the HR monitor looks as good as any.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSvyWJTPcow


Agree that the need for a charging hub of some sort for all devices is kinda annoying. Like we have to charge the bike's group, the computer, radar/lights, HR strap, whoop, the running watch, and whatever else in an indoor setup...

what are you all doing? anyone feel like they have a smart or simple hub-like solution for this?
I have some of those straps already.  The Garmin ones I already have seem to fit fine.
what I don't like is that they seem to have a higher profile with the Garmin strap.
@eloy not sure there is a good answer. I've been slowly but surely upgrading various things so that nearly everything at this point has a USB-C port (Di2 and Shockz headphones are really the only holdouts in my daily life) and I have cables all over (one next to the bed, one next to the trainer, one at my desk, one in the garage next to my workbench, etc.) so one is never too far out of reach from where i device typically lives

Bit of a hijack with this comment, but JP, if you find yourself in the market for a new Tickr-like HR monitor and strap that's reliable, the Polar H10 has been great for me. I had to replace one after about 5 years of regular use when it finally died. According to Polar, one 2032 coin cell should get you ~400 hours of use. The strap is machine washable if you want, I tend to hand wash. Can't rave enough about it. It works across all BT-enabled devices. About $90, for the amount of wear/tear/use, hard to beat.
Desfit reviews the Trackr, with way more detail that anyone can possibly care about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Gn0obwO-M
Kissena hive mind: My longtime bike computer (Garmin 520) appears to have a broken pin in the mini USB port. I tried alt cables, etc. I've had since 2015 or 2016, so I think it's time for new one maybe?

What should I get? The 520 was perfectly adequate for me. I don't need top of the line, and I'd like to be economical. Should I get a 540? Or Wahoo? Would it be best to do this via Ride Brooklyn?

Background: I have a stages powermeter on my road bike, I also have an old powertab hub I use on my cross bike sometimes, and for an indoor trainer, I use an old Fluid. I'm aware of DC Rainmaker reviews but get over pretty over it after a few paragraphs... so I'm wondering what people in the club are liking these days, who are more in-the-know about these tech-y things than me.
If you are coming from the 520 a Garmin Edge 540 would be the perfect upgrade. Buy it thru ride brooklyn, who will likely give you a discount.

A Wahoo Bolt V2 could be an alternative, but it's older than the 540 -- So garmin still wins.

Many us ride a hammerhead karoo -- This is what I ride and usually recommend. They just released a new model Karoo 3, it would be the most recent of them all (wahoo, garmin, hammerhead) but the Karoo 3 is usually at a higher price tier (over $450) than the the Garmin Edge 540 (usually $350) -- I will mention that the Karoo 3 is the state of the art when it comes to Bike GPS Route Navigation, which might or not not matter much to you. For clarity, I once consulted for them, so I'm biased. 

Whichever of those you get, they will all work with your power meter sensors. Hope this helps. 
Brian I second Eloy's first instinct which is you should replace like for like and upgrade to the newest equivalent Garmin. Most likely the UI and supporting software and mounts will all carry over and you will just need to pair your power and hrm and start riding with minimal fuss.
Thanks @David Yang and @eloy. I think I'll go with the 540!
I'm in the wahoo corner personally but you pretty much can't go wrong with any of them these days. A bunch of online stores (Mikes Bikes and Competitive Cyclist to name two) are running crazy end of summer sales right now so you may have luck getting a great deal there. If not, Ride Brooklyn is the way
Is Ride Brooklyn the Kissena sponsor shop? I called them to check on stock and inquire if there would be a discount on a Garmin and the person who answered said they did not believe that Ride Brooklyn was Kissena's sponsor shop. @Matt Budofsky - thanks for the Mike's Bike rec -- they had a 20% discount on the Garmin 540.
Yes, ride brooklyn is the Kissena Cycling Club sponsor shop 
Is Ride Brooklyn the Kissena sponsor shop? I called them to check on stock and inquire if there would be a discount on a Garmin and the person who answered said they did not believe that Ride Brooklyn was Kissena's sponsor shop. @Matt Budofsky - thanks for the Mike's Bike rec -- they had a 20% discount on the Garmin 540.
Sorry Bri - probably a new employee not up to speed. If you didn't already order, DM me or Pat and we'll see what discount they can offer.
My 540 has been nothing but good. Also pairs very nicely with the rear facing radar which is "chef's kiss"
Jules said:
My 540 has been nothing but good. Also pairs very nicely with the rear facing radar which is "chef's kiss"
I was riding with a guy who had the Varia hooked up to his bike computer.  I asked him if he liked it.  

He said something to the effect of: 'I'm a big Star Wars fan.  But one thing that always bothered me was Luke talking to R2.  I just didn't believe it.  Now that I have this setup, I'm talking to my bike computer.'
I have a Varia radar. It connects to my Hammerhead seamlessly -- the hammerhead can even control how the light blinks (not that I ever bothered) -- I mostly use when in out of town events, as it seems pointless in NYC.

Somewhat relate to the comment above. I don't talk to the computer, but once the computer info is full on, route, climber, grade, HR, power, radar, etc, it can feel like we are driving a rocket ship into the unknown. 
Also here to endorse the varia. A great layer of awareness and super useful outside the city. I don’t mind it in the city, either. It helps me look over my shoulder often instead of constantly. The chirping gets a little annoying but I’ve learned to live with it. 
It's fast becoming a must-have item on my bike, although to be fair cars are pretty infrequent out here. I rode with a guy in Toronto who had one and it never stopped beeping.
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2024/12/wahoo-elemnt-ace-in-depth-review-bike-computer.html

It keeps surprising me that companies like Garmin and Wahoo must know that reviewers like GPLama and DC Rainmaker exist, but then still keep churning out these horribly unfinished products and making promises about battery life they can't keep.

And that's separate from the fact that I don't see who'd ever need a bike computer that's the size of, what is it, three Elemnt Bolts 
Wahoo kinda nailed the release of the bolt and roam, I too was surprised on this Ace release.
I would get one if i could get my texts a

READABLE size , also all reviews say issues with them actually fitting on most mounts , which seems like a massive oversight



Wahoo botching the release isn't all that surprising. The Bolt v2 was an unusable mess when it first got released, but then after about a month or so of firmware updates they got it pretty spot on. DC Rainmaker lambasted them for that too.