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I'm a retired paramedic (it was sooooo lucrative) and have to second just about everything Marc said. Can you help? Stop, especially if it's a teammate. Of course, every member doesn't have to stop. But if you're right there, you should. Did you see it and can inform EMS? Stop. Are you standing around gawking? Don't. A guy crashed ahead of me and probably broke a clavicle in a cx race this year. By the time I came upon him there were people around and an ambulance on the way. I didn't need to stop and crowd the course any further when there was nothing I could've really done besides make a piecemeal sling that EMS would've immediately replaced. There were no open wounds and he was breathing. Without supplies, if someone's already lending support, you should probably make room. I tried to help Sniadowski last year at his finish line crash, but other than handing his friend some dressings for his hand and giving him a quick look over, he had his friends/teammates there and there's nothing you can do for a punctured lung, etc. on the spot.

I'd like to say that the "blind spot" swerving gets better as you move up in categories, but in the 3/4's it can still be bad. It's as if people have no peripheral vision, or even if they do, the split nanosecond they are past your head it's like you've ceased to exist. On Sunday, there were at least a handful of times when people started to come over on me right after they barely gotten by my bottom bracket. It's like they have no perception of speed/distance and it's "out of sight, out of mind". It's unbelievable really. What's it called, "object permanence"? The idea that before about 8 months old, infants have no realization of the fact objects that can't be seen, touched, or heard, still exist?

Anyway, hope you recover quickly, Mitch. Take care,
-j.

Oh, one more thing. Make SURE someone has called 911. You wouldn't believe the times when a group is standing around assuming someone else has already called. If you are first on the scene and need to perform any sort of action on the patient/victim immediately, point to a specific person and tell them to call 911. Don't just say it out loud and expect someone to do it. Often, you literally have to command an individual to try and make sure someone is actually following through. Concurrently, if you're late to the scene, ask to make sure someone has called, or go ahead and call as well. 911 will know immediately if the incident has been reported. Or they should....sometimes things get "lost in translation", but that's another story...
Much appreciate the breakdown Dan and Jeff. In hindsight I feel like I should have asked for him to be Dq'd, as he was in a bit of denial about his responsibility for the crash, certainly not apologetic.
JP

Once again, I think you're helping break the received wisdom that Prospect Park is a sprinter's course and breakaways cannot work. By racing counter the way everybody else is you, Perlberg and Marc are making these races much harder and more interesting than just 12 laps and a sprint. I know it is still early and 25 degrees is very cold to race in but you all are doing very well.
Who's onboard for this weekend's Spring Series races?



I would like to do Branchbrook race(s) on Saturday and --hopefully-- Prospect Park Sunday to support Joe. If Joe doesn't have enough support Saturday, then I'll sign-up for that race and skip BB.
I'm planning to race PP Saturday.
Hey all, a somewhat timely post from cyclingtips:
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2011/03/crash-prevention/#more-17910

Is there a good "peloton skills" resource anyone can recommend? I found this link:
http://www.ridestrong.org.nz/RS/blogs/new_to_cycling/archive/2008/11/25/bunch-riding-tips.aspx
but it'd be cool if there was a resource with diagrams/videos.
I can probably do Sunday, not sure about Saturday.
Who's keen for this weekend at Prospect? I'm entered for both days.
Looks like the weather will be mostly sunny highs upper 40's.

I'll be out Wednesday night at PP 7pm to practice a breakaways/attacks/paceline.

Cheers,
John
Hi John,
I'm in for Sunday.
Not sure yet if I can do Saturday.
Can't do tomorrow night, probably do Thursday night in PP.
Any news on how Mitch is doing?
Thanks,
I'm a likely for Sunday and a maybe for Saturday.
Hi Gents,

Am away in Florida for this weekend and next. Although I would like to race this weekend, I am getting pretty bored of losing the feeling in my extremities every time I ride here, so it might be a bit of a blessing that I'm away! Hoping that the Winter will end at some point....

On another note, I hope to ride the weekend I am back in NY. Dan put a link up on our last thread about racing up-state that weekend. I think that if I can arrange it I will sign up for that. Yes, the long drive is a total pain in the ass. However, I thought it might be worth it for several reasons and I think others might want to consider it.

Main reasons are-

1) We race in PP/CP ALL YEAR LONG. Although the season is just beginning now, a bit of variation will be nice so we should take advantage of the offer while we can.
2) The course is 2 lapes of a 12 mile circuit, on roads I believe. Hence, will be a totally different feel and for any of you who have never raced outside of a park, it gives a lot more of a 'Pro' feel in my opinion. Zooming past houses, buildings etc.
3) Let's be honest. We race mostly with a bunch of dick-head Lance Armstrong wannabees who, as evidenced by every race this season, are very, very likely to cause a crash. It is just a matter of luck if the cycling god decided if it is your time to crash that week. This other race will hopefully have a few other faces, maybe not so cowboy. In any case, they can't be anymore dangerous!
4) It is a Cat5 race so will count towards our totals so we can get out of this division as soon as possible, hoping that the category above is at least a little more safe (not sure what the guys above think about that...).
5)Road trip! Good for team morale. Will need to travel up the night before but can have dinner together, have a bit of banter, maybe a chat about tactics. If we get there in time, maybe a quick spin the night before on the circuit if it's not too dark.

Go on, you know you want to....


Here's a link to the race.

http://www.gvccracing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/2011GVCCClassicFlyer.pdf

If there's any more interest I'm sure Dan or I can start a new, individual thread.

Cat5's, your team needs you!!
I am in for Saturday, but not Sunday.

John - I'll be in the park tonight, but won't get out till closer to 7:30-7:45. I'll look for you.
Jorge - I plan on being out Thursday night as well, for a couple hours hopefully.

Adam - would love to join you for some upstate/out of NYC racing - will be easier for me over the summer when the kids are off school and visiting their grandparents out of state. Otherwise, long weekend trips are difficult for me to plan.

That said - I did manage to convince my wife to give me next weekend (April 10) when I'm heading up to "race" in the Tour of the Battenkill. I say race in "quote" because I rode the 65-mile course 2 weeks ago and some of the hills were so steep (18-20%), and I was going so slow, I'm not sure I could call it racing with a straight face! Beautiful country up there....looking forward to round 2 of that suffer-fest!

See y'all on Saturday (if not sooner).
I will be there for both. I'm thinking of getting some extra miles in, and riding after the race in pp Sat. Then thinking of heading over the bridge Sunday to 9w. Let me know if you want to meet up after the races.
I may be racing on Sunday, but first i need to kick my viral rhinosinusitis!

I will say that racing in western NY is defiantly safer (I used to race as a Jr.) crashes are not an every race event which is nice!
Jorge, Mitch is doing fine, the op. went great and he's walking around in his RayBans looking all badass.

Adam, that Bloomfield race looks great. Not sure I can swing that weekend. It's also a little hard to figure out location — is this where the race is at?
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=295+Clinton+Ave,+NY+11205&daddr=Oakmount+Rd,+Bloomfield,+NY&hl=en&geocode=FaTdbAIdhliX-ylFGehkuVvCiTFv8jS1Pn0GSA;FaEijgIdYZdi-ylBC580gDvRiTFwZ6y7D1yTtQ&mra=ls&sll=42.869422,-77.424774&sspn=0.166071,0.257664&ie=UTF8&ll=41.352072,-76.102295&spn=5.442584,8.245239&z=8

David, missed you at the park tonight. Did some quality tempo and sprint practice with Norm (serious leadouts!). Bumped into Eric R. and Mike. Looks a little damp mañana — thinking I'll make it out for some 6am's next week though, looking forward to training with the higher cat riders.

This weekend's team:
Saturday 5: Brian, Graham, myself, David and David Vollbach
Sunday : Jorge, myself, Dan (?)

P.S. I used heat packs in last weeks race because I prefer to feel my feet. Let me know if you want some and I'll bring extra (you stick them in between your shoe and booty).
Peoples,
Marc and I will be there. I'm still looking for series points. Probably around the top ten overall, though I haven't seen any update from AVD.

Myles can't make it.
There is also a Sunday race in PP.

I am waiting to see how the weather plays out before making any Saturday commitments. Sunday I will be doing family stuff so no racing for me.
hey john, sorry i missed you and norm last night. i ended up having to work late, didn't get home till close to 8:15, hadn't eaten since noon. was pretty spent. this "employment" thing is really interfering with my amateur bike racing career. WTF is up with that?

saw the forecast for today/tonight. snow/rain showers in the forecast. fucking annoying, that. i still might give it a go, if i don't get home too late.
in philly this weekend

good luck, dudes
I saw a query somewhere about whether or not its a good idea to attack the Scotto's train at the end if they're pulling the field along.

It can be. Depends on how many guys we have at the end and when Scotto's starts their train. We'll want to leave at least one rider fresh to take advantage of Scotto's efforts.
wish i could race with you guys this weekend but unfortunately will be out of town. after battenkill next weekend things are pretty open except for easter weekend.
I was planning on at least Sunday, but seemed to have screwed up the adapter for the BBright when installing my cranks. Definitely feels "binding" and probably won't be able to get it fixed before then (takes a weird size crank puller I don't have). Good luck out there!
John your map location is correct. Its a drive. But my family does have a townhouse in Canandaigua so housing is easy :)
I'll be out of commission this weekend, fellas - Battenkill is the next one for me. Good luck out there.
I think we're going to have a very small Scottos, and other CRCA presence this week. There is a CRCA race on Saturday, so there might be a slightly smaller field in PP on saturday. I think the hope is to get Joe into another breakaway.

So it looks like Josh, Joe, Jeff White, maybe Jim, and myself Saturday. So we should be looking to cover the establishing breaks in the first half of the race, and keep an eye on the Scotto riders who may be working the front of our race.
Gotta go to DC for a wedding, good luck guys. (which also means missing the VCU game, grrrrr). Battenkill next.
Guys --I've re-routed my race plans so that I will race at Prospect Park on Saturday as well. See you all there tomorrow.
After a two week hiatus from Spring Series (even though I pre-reged for the whole thing) I will be racing in Prospect both days this weekend. Looking forward getting Joe some series points!

I agree with Dan that if the CRCA (and Cat 3) presence is diminished it is worthwhile to cover the breaks rather than initiating them. I also think this could be an opportunity to work on our lead-out train if it comes down to a sprint.
Sounds good see you guys early!
David, thanks for trying to make it out Wednesday, I'll have that sweet pro deal for you to sign this weekend so we can put an end to these work interruptions (Kissena/Donut Plant/Stumptown).

Dan, thanks for the generous offer of accommodation.

Looks like the rain is clearing out, anyone up for an hour PP spin 6.30/7'ish? Otherwise see you break-o-dawn.