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Group Ride (Sat & Sun)

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I'm hoping to make it.  Recovering from the flu, but the rest of my family is also recovering, and not quite as well.  My appearance depends on them more than it does me.
I'm a game-time decision as well.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2015, 10:37 PM mugwump <
I'll be at bb.
Vlad and I are at GWB
i had every intention of going on this ride but when i woke up it was 9 am.  sorry!
i had every intention of going on this ride but when i woke up it was 9 am.  sorry!
There's an app for that.
Seen today on  Stillwell (part of the triangle ride)  If I anyone knows this  "Rob" fella...please inform him that the real suffering begins  when I find him as I am going to DONKEY PUNCH him right in his junk !  Kindest regards....yacks


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Today I had a one person group ride down to Redbeard.  It was the most miserable ride of 2015.  Okay fine, 2014 too.  It wasn't the same kind of pain as Battenkill or a grueling training day.  Not the pleasurable suffering that we all love so much.  Just boring, evil, unrewarding physical pain.

I set out in a winter wonderland of snow on my cross bike, so it was delightful.  Lots of cheeky skidding and fun.  The snow quickly turned to wintry mix that included frozen rain that pelted me in the face like so many little daggers.  Then the rain came.  Temperatures in the mid to low 30s and it is just raining.  My hands and feet were soaked and freezing. 

Then I get to Redbeard, order some parts, and talk bikes for 20 minutes.  And became colder.  I was considering taking the subway back but ultimately opted to ride, figuring I'd warm up a little.  I didn't.  Core got warmer, sure, but my feet were just not there any more.

I've had numb feet and hands before but for some reason it just hurt more today when I was warming back up.  The feeling didn't return to my feet in some warm, restorative glow.  Instead, my feet were blocks of ice being melted by a fire underfoot.  Ow!  The transition from numb to room temperature was not soothing.  Took me an hour or so to warm back up.  I ended up walking around the house in my winter jacket and some blankets.

So yeah, if it's under 36 and raining hard I'm not doing it anymore.  And if I do, I'm not stopping in a shop for 20 minutes to let my temperature drop.  Maybe I'll invest in some of those winter cycling boots.  Once the water seeps in, there's no keeping my feet warm it would seem.  Or I could just ride the trainer.
Pearl Izumi Typhoon shoe covers...I did 57 miles in rain, sleet, snow and baby zebras today...my feet were toasty
What kind of a crazy crankset is that Dr. Yack??
Yacks, tell the truth. That bike looks too clean to have been ridden 57 miles in rain sleet and snow
Beating the rain today where Vlad, Condon, Eloy, Fabian, myself...  Eloy returned to base early and JP caught up to us at Mattie's. Volbach was there on his lonesome, was a little bit like a scene from The Warriors. Can you dig it? Wonder Wheels team were out, Axis too. 
Vlad flatted on the the way back on Riverside, snow started to fall at 79th St.

Good times. 

PatrickG said:
Yacks, tell the truth. That bike looks too clean to have been ridden 57 miles in rain sleet and snow


Patrick....3 things
1. You should know by now that I ride between the sleet, snow and raindrops.
2. A Yack could lie
3. A Yack with a Strava file doesn't need to



Brendan, not sure what kind of shoe cover situation you have, but I find that the neoprene shoe covers work wonders, especially when raining and cold. In that they let the water through, eventually, your feet get soaked and cold for a while, but soon they are surrounded in a bath of warm water. #thewetsuitprinciple

Also, when warming up "frozen" hands and feet. Especially if you have any degree of frostbite, consider bathing/thawing them in luke warm or cooler water first.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/first-aid/first-aid-frostbite/basics/art-20056653

Also, it's good if your hands and feet hurt like hell from the cold. You start to worry when they stop hurting.

But yeah, 30s and 40s riding when there is precip out? Big trouble. I'll ride in 18 degrees and sunny all day long. But 40s and "wintry mix?" No way, never, ever. And if I get stuck in that kind of weather? I will turn around and head home as quickly as humanly possible.
I concur...neoprene traps some water and then said water gets all warm and squishy...just keep riding at a nice pace and you will stay warm...wool socks are a must...layer up and whatever you do don't keep stopping to take stupid pictures (hypothermia)   just don't do it !!!

I was wearing 3mm neoprene booties and merino wool socks.  Although the socks were a bit thin.  Should've double-socked it.  I think I'm going to switch to a different footwear solution next winter.

The feet were just numb on the ride, nothing out of the ordinary really.  The pain came when my feet were regaining feeling.  It was a burning itchiness, as if I'd poured boiling water on raging poison ivy.  That's what I want to avoid.
anyone interested in cross bikes at cunningham today?

is there parking out there?
Gonna hit Prospect Park for a few laps, 90 minutes depending on weather.

Let's say 11 am at the 16th St Entrance.

Join me if you can, text/call: 347.225.1058
I should be there in ~1 hour from now

Brendan Rigby
(774) 219-4511
rigby.b@gmail.com
2 last things....
Check your shoes for vent hole.  Shimano's have big vent holes in the soles...I put a piece of electrical tape over these in the winter to keep the wind and water out of the bottom 

Take out your insoles and trace them over a piece of aluminum foil...then cut the foil to fit.  Put the foil in the bottom of your shoes.  This will act as another barrier to wind and water.  it also creates a little heat convection situation.  I've been doing this for a few years now...every little bit helps.

Don't spend the entire winter on your trainer as it can lead to injury.  Your joints and tendons are not happy being confined to one motion.  Riding a bike outside forces the body to recruit more muscles and relives stress on the knees.  Get outside now and then...if it's cold and you are worried, then stay close to home...ride the parks.
Yacks, can we use the left-overs from making our aluminum foil helmets?


Cover those holes and FOIL UP !!!!

What kind of a crazy crankset is that Dr. Yack??
Them's be aluminum sram rival cranks (trey stiff) with a stages powermeter attached to the non drive side and rotor q-rings on the business side.  
anyone interested in cross bikes at cunningham today?

is there parking out there?
Rigby - there is always some sort of parking at Cunningham, even when the Big Apple Circus in town and taking up lots of space in the area. Four spots you can find easy parking:

1) along 199th St between 75th ave and Union Turnpike (near our CX practice area) https://goo.gl/maps/I48hi
2) 210th st and 67th ave, at the MTB trail head https://goo.gl/maps/vjr0f
3) 196th place and union turnpike, in the tennis parking lots https://goo.gl/maps/csYhU
4) almost anywhere along Francis Lewis Blvd or 73rd ave within the park


thanks, josh.  i resisted the urge to obey google maps and stop in the middle of 495 (where it advised me "you've arrived at your destination").  parked right at the trail head, 210th and 67th.

those cunningham trails are great!  some of the ones on the western side that were labeled blue had me wondering if danny macaskill labeled the trails. there was one with a steep drop that was all rocks, no rideable dirt, and i think it was on a blue.  maybe if you had 2" tires and a suspension it's a blue.  not on a cross bike with 33mm tires...

My last 2 cents on the foot/warmer situation. Brendan, sounds like you've got the basics down okay. On cold days when I know wool socks and neoprene booties are not going to be enough, I use those chemical foot warmers that I stick on top of my socks, on top of my foot underneath my shoe.

In fact during cross season, for cold days, I do this with no booties and does a good job at keeping my feet warm from warm up to racing to the rest of the day when I keep them on while spectating in my street clothes too. They advertise being good for 5 or so hours and my experience says that is true.
Re: Cunningham parking.

There's a parking lot in the park -- with bathrooms and water. I find it the obvious place to park if you have a car. 

That said, most people park on the East side entrance.

Cunningham might simply be the best place to ride a bike in NYC. It is a dream if you wanna better your cross skills. The west side is a bit more technical, the east has a bit more flow. Love both sides. I'll bet you'll be able to ride that rock descend on your cross bike in no time. 


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I'm probably heading out in the afternoon tomorrow.

That written, want to talk up Sunday!  The roads should be dry and clear and it's time to get rolling on fitness and fun in the new year.

I'll be at the GWB9am.  

My expectation is to do the traditional route up to Rockland Lake and back.  Haven't done that in a long time.
I'm probably in for Sunday as long as the roads aren't icy.