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my dad sent me some pics from yesterday. Tom D not super in shape here hahaha Quintana flew away


Pinot looking sharp though
@GiacomoVischi, your dad picked an incredible place to watch one of hell of a stage. 
As a Colombian who is very not good at climbing Fernando Gaviria's Giro is making me really happy and gives me hope 
I think Quickstep should have been relegated, very intentional take-out of Ewan. Poor sportsmanship.  
I think Quickstep should have been relegated, very intentional take-out of Ewan. Poor sportsmanship.  
Maybe. Not sure I would agree 100%, altho I totally get our alliances ;) -- yeah Caleb got a bit shafted, but at that point he was in the wrong place behind all the slow "i'm done" leadout wheels. How Gaviria, who wasn't even in the group, rode thru all of them is crazytown.
You get a good view starting around 1:10 in this Eurosport video, from which I've taken some screenshots. Richeze is about to finish his pull, sit up and begin moving over to the barriers, with Ewan on his wheel.





Richeze looks over his shoulder, either at Ewan or more likely (surely?) looking for Gaviria, who has lost contact. Richeze puts his head down for split-second, then looks up again.



Now Richeze must realize Gaviria is coming around on his right (probably Gaviria is yelling as much) and, for sure, there's no way Richeze doesn't see Ewan on his left. So naturally Richeze stops drifting into the lane his sprinter has chosen.

But here's the rub (pun intended). We know Ewan and Richeze made contact. Was it a defensive move on Richeze's part? It looks like Ewan leaned first:



It's a take-out if you agree that Ewan had the right to that sliver of pavement between Richeze and the Bora leadout man. I'm new to the sport, so I'm not totally confident in making that call. But I'm leaning (no pun intended) to the conclusion that this is fair play. For sure if Gaviria weren't coming around the other side, Richeze should keep drifting to the barriers and get the hell out of Ewan's way. But Gaviria is passing Richeze at the exact moments when Richeze would need to move over for Ewan. Seems to me all three riders could sense what was about to happen and decided to stick to their guns. It's defensible for Richeze to hold his ground here. I really don't see what else he could do safely. Cut off his teammate? Slam the brakes? Of course, Richeze then leans pretty hard into Ewan. 



Not a good look, but perhaps necessary to stay upright. Richeze's left foot came unclipped after this.

Relatedly, I learned today that the Giro has a "Fair Play" classification, wherein judges rank teams on sportsmanship. The fewer points, the cleaner they race. As of Stage 12, Quick-Step and Orica were two of only seven teams with zero points. (Fittingly for a team sponsored by a repressive and militaristic petrostate, Bahrain-Merida have a whopping 800 more points than the next team in this classification, probably because of this.) We'll see if the judges give any points to Quick-Step for Richeze's lean. But the images above and their fair play so far helps me give Quick-Step the benefit of the doubt here.
Max, this analysis is the total hotness.
Well argued Max, but from this camera angle I think you can see what I'm talking about...


Anybody else having trouble with their fubo.tv stream today? I'm trying to watch live what should be the last hour of the race, but it takes me to point with 89km to go, and then freezes shortly after I begin watching. @Jeff Condon and I were complaining about this today after the race. So frustrating. I've tried a few different browsers, to no avail. Anybody have a workaround? 
@MaxThorn same problem here - no workaround
I had to use a pirate feed. Pretty frustrating. 
What the hell is going on with fubo.tv?? After I posted here this morning, I gave up and left the house to do something else. I just came back home thinking "Great, if the previous two weeks are any indication, the DVR of today's stage will be available by now."

It's not. The stage is still "live"... but for ten minutes all they've shown are bland stage-by-stage highlight packages. It's been well worth the $15 so far, but today is such a shitty letdown. 
It's not a Giro until some poor bastard gets taken out by road furniture. Hope that Katusha guy isn't permanently fucked.

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http://www.velonews.com/2017/05/news/giro-kangert-horrific-crash_439096
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i'll ask

[spoiler]should they have waited for Dumoulin?[/spoiler]
Holy crap this Giro continues to surprise. Pun intended 
They might've been afraid of riding behind him  :#
They might've been afraid of riding behind him  :#
That's a heck of a way to lose two minutes.
https://www.facebook.com/pelotonmagazine/videos/1531275850250401/

"Problems". 
If you want a more direct/clear quote
https://youtu.be/q8yHu7T3PVU

While jokes abound, this is crappy, as it squarely reminds me of the doping times of Basso and team CSC 2006. when basso also had to deal w severe stomach problems while in pink, as a consequence of blood manipulation

that said, good form is fragile, and hopefully that is all that's happening.
eloy said:
If you want a more direct/clear quote
https://youtu.be/q8yHu7T3PVU

While jokes abound, this is crappy, as it squarely reminds me of the doping times of Basso and team CSC 2006. when basso also had to deal w severe stomach problems while in pink, as a consequence of blood manipulation

that said, good form is fragile, and hopefully that is all that's happening.

I feel if he had stomach problems , he would of been weak on the last climb, he actually rode remarkably well, 
Reminds me of a similar incident Greg Lemond had in the 1986 Tour that is captured in Richard Moore's Slaying the Badger. Lemond's digestive issues did not haunt him the rest of the Tour. Let's hope that Dumoulin's stomach issues don't plague him further. 

We may be in for a nail biter of a final week.

Here is an excerpt from the Lemond book. Maybe Tom should have used a hat?

The stench was overpowering: a rotten, putrid smell, so bad that several riders looked around, their faces screwing up as though they were sucking on lemons. Glancing back, they saw Greg LeMond, fourth in line, being led up to the peloton—the main pack of riders—by a string of his La Vie Claire teammates.

Up the outside the four-man train continued, the three worker bees escorting their stricken leader back to the front, where, as one of the favorites, LeMond needed to be. But at least one rider, sitting towards the rear of the peloton, saw the brown liquid streaking the insides of the American’s legs, running into his shoes.

It was a bad peach, LeMond reckoned. After eating it, his stomach reacted violently. He turned to a teammate: “Pass me your hat.”

“What do you want my hat for?”

“Please, just pass me the goddamn hat!”

Taking the small cotton team cap, LeMond shoved it down his shorts, maneuvered it into position, and filled it until it was overflowing. He tried to clean himself up, but it was hopeless; then he tossed the hat into the hedgerow, and began the grim task of getting back into the race, slotting in behind the three teammates who’d dropped back from the peloton to wait for him.

With his stomach churning, LeMond had 60km of the stage to endure: more than an hour of agony, every second of it spent craving the isolation and privacy of a toilet. As the two hundred riders swarmed across the line in Futuroscope, most eased up, dropped a foot to the road, straddled their bike and reached for a drinking bottle. LeMond didn’t. He weaved urgently through all the bodies, the riders, soigneurs and reporters, searching for his team’s motorhome. He’d never been in it before—it was used mainly for storage—but he knew it had a toilet.

Entering the motorhome LeMond found it packed with boxes, but, tiptoeing awkwardly in his cleated cycling shoes, he negotiated a passage and ripped open the cubicle door. The toilet was gone. Where it had been, there were more boxes. LeMond was desperate. He tore off the lid of the largest box, inside which were thousands upon thousands of postcards. Staring up at him, on each of these cards, was the smiling, handsome face of his teammate, Bernard Hinault. But LeMond didn’t hesitate: he yanked at them, pulling out bundles of cards to create a borehole in the middle. Then he dropped his shorts, sat down and found glorious relief amid—and upon—approximately 40,000 depictions of the great Frenchman.

The common perception is that Greg LeMond was crapped upon by Bernard Hinault at the 1986 Tour de France. What most don’t know is that LeMond got there first.


Stay classy, Velonews...


Hey Giacomo, I'm hearing "Miraglia" (Miraglio?) a lot on my RAI feed.

'summit' or 'top?'
Jules said:
Hey Giacomo, I'm hearing "Miraglia" (Miraglio?) a lot on my RAI feed.

'summit' or 'top?'
Ammiraglia yes, which is the team car following the riders. Are you watching the RAI tv? ahaha that's nice, its commentators crack me up sometimes...
Allez les verts!!