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Green Mountain Stage Race (GMSR)

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I know you are desperate to hear my story, of course. l will try to summarise as briefly as possible.

Stage 1 (TT)- Goal was to keep my cadence up as much as possible and have an average HR of 191 for the race.  Was bang on my numbers for the race: average 191!  Happy with that.  Still got smashed: 36/81.  Boom- tough field.  Caught my 30s and 1minute men within 2 miles (the ascent) and had no-one to chase thereafter which was a shame.  I tried.


Stage 2 - We planned to make a break, plan went great.  Ryan attacked, his promising move got shut down, I then countered, and got shut down, then Joaquin made a sublime counter off of me.  It started to form and looked good.  Unfortunately Joaquin had a few issues and had to come back to the field.  Ryan and Konrad did a superb job of then leading the chase of the break we gave birth to!  Excellent effort on their part and when we hit the final climb after ~60 miles the chasing pack split.  I was in the front split and a French-Canadian team took up the chase.  When this front chase got close to the break I bridged over.  Was a bit disappointed as the break was falling apart.  Made it over too late.  We were caught with ~5km to go.  Team was superb.
Stage 3 - Obviously I am a psycho so attacked from the gun.  After some gentle persuasion the group let me go.  Was going along very happy and think I eeked out about 45-60 seconds.  Hard to tell as they referees made no effort to give me time gaps.  I looked back, saw two riders alone and though "Great, some guys bridged up".  I waited, when they arrived, turns out that they were from another field.  I slowed for nothing.  Looked back again a few miles later, saw the pack about 50s back with 2 guys in between, eased up to wait for the 2, assuming it was my field, but again, another race!  Slowed for nothing again.  The field was not mine, was a different race.  Got neutralised as they passed me and was therefore caught after only 15 miles out front as I was forced to soft pedal and my race easily erased my deficit.  BS.  Our race was slowed on the road as we were started early but the field behind was not.  Hence the cluster fuck.  How shit is that.

Zoom to the end.  Ryan makes what was easily the best attack of his racing career 10km to go. Legend.  Gets to a little over 1km from the finish before eventually being caught- such a hero.  Konrad was saved for the day and rode conservative throughout which meant he got a great 9th place with a strong final climb.  I came in 25s on him back in 15th.  Would much rather have been out front for longer and imploded on the climb.  At this point I will highlight that the race was in fact won by a two-man move that went 35 miles from the finish.  


Stage 4 - Totally shit starting position.  When the race was un-neutralised I must have been about 50/70 on the road.  Balls.  In that stretchy part of the field it was not ideal.  Came round turn 1 at some point to see a pile of 5 riders in my line (someone had overcooked the corner and there was a pile up).  Slammed on the anchors, fish tailed, then managed to swerve left and ran over someone's bike in the road and squished his carbon tubular. Sorry bro!  Stayed upright and chased back on.  Lucky.

5 laps later, same thing!  Luck ran out this time.  End-oed into a crash.  Got back up, thought that it was BS that I would DNF, scooted to the pit and then was 'inserted' back into the race by the referee.  For the remainder of the race I was mostly thinking about if my bike was going to work OK.  It did, thankfully.  So, managed to finish after 1.5 crashes.  Would like to have helped Konrad more but wasn't to be on the day.

After all was said and done, ended 17/81 on GC.  Whatevs.  Don't really care so much, would rather have attacked some more.  
Was a real hoot to race with Konrad, Joaquin and Ryan.  
Congrats all! Looked like a super tough three field, Canadians even! I'm sure the other fields were equally challenging.

Would love to hear the what you think you guys did well as a team and what you might have done differently in hindsight -- any learning really -- seems like a tough nut to crack.
My biggest takeaway is that in the 3s you have to decide whether you want to race with swagger and take chances or race conservatively and go for solid results.

For instance, my attack on Baby Gap was dramatic and exciting, but in retrospect I may have had a chance at riding into the top 5 by NOT doing it. I didn't plan on attacking. I planned on riding with Konrad up the climb. I just did it on instinct. Post KOM-sprint, fast guys sitting up gasping for air, field looking uninspired, steeper slopes coming...time to go!

It's just that on the whole at our level conservative riding seems to get rewarded more often.

The same could be said of Adam's racing. To be clear, I'm NOT saying that either Adam or I made bad decisions. The attacks were kind of textbook really. That said, I do feel a little like "damn, 3 in the top ten would have been bad ass." And its hard to look at the top ten and see guys that I have dropped on climbs on many occasions in front of me by 90 seconds. 
Ryan's spot on with his assessment.

But I think you need to look at a few things here, in my opinion.  And again, to re-iterate that there probably isn't a right or wrong answer.  

1)The Cat3 fields are SUPER STRONG.  I am going to say that again: SUPER STRONG.  It is not like the 4s where if you just sit in a ride conservative you can gun it out for the win at the end.  Also, it really isn't like park racing where you can fake it by getting in the move and hoping that you can hang on for dear life when the big engines drive the break.  There is no hiding with 60-80 miles out on the road with thousands of feet of climbing.  Fakers need not apply. Of note, every significant race I have done this year has been won by the break (Battenkill, Killington Queen's stage, Purgatory, Tokeneke, Tour of Catskills Queen's stage [I didn't race in that one], GMSR circuit race and GMSR Queen's stage). To have even a 1% chance of winning, you NEED to go for it.  Simple.  There are always 2 or 3 guys in the field who are super strong, pretty much pro level.  They will ALWAYS beat you unless you go for it.  Also, ignoring the top 5 guys, but after the TT 40 guys were separated by 60s or so, never seen that before- strong field!

2) One can sit in, like Konrad, and do a great race and get a good result.  We mentioned it pre-race and figured that more or less, if any of our team sat in the opportunity for 8-12th place (and upgrade points) was up for grabs.  Konrad exceeded expectations and took a cheeky 7th- good work Bro!  But, realistically, that was the best any of us would ever get riding like that.  There was no-chance of a podium riding like that.  In our filed of over 80 there are simply 4 or 5 guys who are just man against man a bit stronger than us.

So, in our case, we really covered all the bases.  We tried to get results and win stages.  But, we also played a conservative race card to have some insurance and Konrad did a great job.  But, just to re-iterate, the races are so, so hard.  For us to be at a level to attack and shape the race, when literally over half our field are just trying to miss the time cut up App Gap and finish the crit is exceptional.  Also, we placed someone top-10, another top-20 and a third top-30 (out of over 80 riders).  In that respect, can't imagine how we could do better- we raced like animals and still got some good placings.

I'm curious...

What was happening in the field when the two riders who won on App Gap left? They ended up winning by 4 minutes on the stage. Were there any KCC riders in a position to go with them? When did they go?

And Adam, do you really not care about 17/81 on GC? I think that's a great result, but if it's not doing it for you, then as far as I see you it you have a couple of options going into your next big stage race.

1) Attack the field even more, absolutely gut yourself, go for that feeling, go for whatever it is that is missing in your race experience. Of course, you risk finishing way, way down on GC (or worse not making time cut).
Have you had a chance to think more about your attack on the 19 miles of flats leading up to the first KOM? Usually, the only folks attacking early like that are sprinters who want to gain a little separation from the field for the hot-spot sprint.

2) Figure out what place/position you would be happy with. 12th, 10th, 5th, 1st? And then do your best to attain that result. And if that means you race differently than you want to, so be it.

Top 3, maybe top 5 if the field is strong.  Other than that, I don't care.
Marc, the two riders who won on App Gap rode away from everybody on Middlebury. They dropped the group I was in, which included the KOM and leaders jerseys, like stones. 

I was the first of our team over Middlebury, but there was no way I was staying with those two.

I caught the first chase group by torching the descent. Konrad got back on shortly after, and then a group Adam was in joined as well.

Have you had a chance to think more about your attack on the 19 miles of flats leading up to the first KOM? Usually, the only folks attacking early like that are sprinters who want to gain a little separation from the field for the hot-spot sprint.


Although the attack from the gun may sound like a super crazy move, and 90% of the time it is, that stage was perfect for it.  Everyone was riding scared, so in terms of separation from the field it was relatively easy.  No-body would give you much hope, so no-one was that interested in chasing.  Also, the first 20 miles were slightly uphill.  For a solo guy that's golden as on descents the field goes faster than you without even pedalling.  This worked- Ryan was able to take a nature break and casually rejoin the field without much effort! That's how slow the group started out at, which we had discussed and knew was likely.  Also, in terms of me getting my ~60s, I was below threshold doing it (about 97% if you like numbers) so I wasn't in any danger of blowing up.  The problem was with the confusion.  Instead of me drawing out up to 2 minutes, or 3 after 5 miles, I slowed 2 times to "wait" for people bridging up (who were not in my field- a little help referee who was next to me on the moto??) and then when I was neutralised on a descent portion, a few miles before the sprint, that was it, the field easily took back their 60s.

To further explain the logic.  It would have been superb for a couple to come with me at the start, but wasn't to be. I didn't expect that either to be honest.  As a back up, although I was willing to go for as long as I could solo, the idea was that if I had stayed out until the first climb at mile ~25 and got over it with a gap, that would have put me in a great position to get caught by any leading group.  In this instance, it would have been the winning move.  Of course, this is hypothetical, but I was fully committed to the move.  Also would have had no shame whatsoever to get caught by the leading two and sit on their wheels.  Dude who attacks from neutral gets to choose when he pulls!

I think one of the nice things about racing with teammates, is that there's plenty of room for individual riders to attempt different kinds of tactics. Already looking forward to watching/reading about next year's GMSR!
I was grinning because I really thought Adam had gotten lucky. How many times have you seen the early move up the road benefit from poor race organization? 

This race is really almost impeccably, organized, but they did mess up massively on that day by starting our field 5 minutes early. Then instead of stopping us to make up for it, they kept us neutral rolling literally 5 miles an hour for some time.

This resulted in a lot of leapfrogging of pissed off masters breaks with our field, and lots of neutralizing. I thought maybe this was the day where the guy with the guts to go out early would get lucky. 
Oh, and a cute story about the whole leap-frogging with Masters thing... 

Their four man break included the yellow and polkadot jerseys, and they were slightly ahead, behind, or beside us all day. Of course they believe that they ride perfectly, while the Cat III field is a mess, so we were never going the speed they liked. They were right, in some respects. But the real problem was not our speed - it was the underlying issue of race organization messing up the start times.

Anyway, they were bitching at us all day, and at some point I intervened when the popeye-looking douche in the 50+ yellow jersey threatened to beat up some junior. He was literally like "let's get off the bike and go, right now!" 

How fucked up do you have to be to be in in your 50s and want to get off the bike and fight, during a race, a 20- year-old, WHILE YOU ARE IN THE BREAK AND IN THE LEADER'S JERSEY of a stage race? Uh, maybe this should go in the local dopers thread. 
"I pump my tires to 110 psi but dammit my dong still hits 140."

Thanks Ryan for standing up to that asshole. I have no patience for aggro-bullshit. It's one of the reasons I don't do much park racing anymore.

The story reminded me how relatively "pleasant" the 40+ field was throughout the 4 days. On the circuit race, I was excited to see an old favorite mini-golf course was open again, and exclaimed something dorky as we passed. I seriously felt like I had just shouted in a library, and shut my mouth immediately in shame.

The racing throughout the days was just silent and serious. The most chatter happened in my RR gruppetto, but you know, context.
Ryan J said:
race? Uh, maybe this should go in the local dopers thread. 
This
I am targeting this race again this year. The best stage race in the Northeast. There is no debate on the matter. Who else is in? I believe I will have spots for multiple racers in the house I'm renting.

I'm so in. Racing the 40+ and going for the sprinter's jersey. I was closer than I thought I would be when I went for it last year. This year I really want that jersey BAD.
I'm in. 

Back in the day, I used to struggle with a question. Which is a "better" stage race, Fitchburg or Green Mountain? Now that the classic Fitchburg is no longer, that's not even a question.

BUT it should be noted, for new KCC riders who haven't filtered through this thread before, I've spent literally hours writing about how great this weekend is for families and significant others. The Mad River Valley is a fantastic place to visit for all! Whether you are going straight hard core bike racer, or plan to mix in adventures to Farmer's Markets, antique shops, kayaking, swimming hole swimming, BBQ eat'n, etc. Green Mountain SR is the bomb!!!
@Jeffrey White i'm in and down for splitting accom.
We're two weeks out :) How much training are y'all planning in your last two weeks? I might be able to swing a 4h ride this Wednesday starting 10:30am, but am thinking it's probably getting too late in the game to build much fitness.
We're two weeks out :) How much training are y'all planning in your last two weeks? I might be able to swing a 4h ride this Wednesday starting 10:30am, but am thinking it's probably getting too late in the game to build much fitness.
When in doubt, err on the side of going into the event more rested. However, that said, my coach has me working pretty hard this week, including VO2 intervals, big gear power stuff, and instructions to shred myself with two group rides this weekend. (Hopefully some of you will join me for the weekend action pack.)

But my coach knows me very well, (including that the fitness I build this week will not necessarily be of "benefit" at GMSR, but certainly is important for my cross goals) not sure that everyone should be doing so much work leading into GMSR.
We're two weeks out :) How much training are y'all planning in your last two weeks? I might be able to swing a 4h ride this Wednesday starting 10:30am, but am thinking it's probably getting too late in the game to build much fitness.
Niall depending on how well you recover you can go as hard as you want up to about 7 days out, then it's time to taper if you want to do well.
I essentially started my taper last week. I was off the bike for 3 days for a little bike-less vacation, then did some normal intensity last week. This week I'm taking an extra day of rest today, then looking to do just enough intensity to stay sharp before going mellow next week.

I'm definitely erring on the side of rest, but I've been training since January,  without a break longer than 4 days. Knowing that I'm not going to add any real fitness, I'm letting myself sleep and heal before the hurt. 
FWIW I'm riding hard Wednesday (1.5 hrs), Saturday (4 hrs), and next Wednesday (1.5 hrs). Every other day is basically 45m-1h recovery.
Got this email just now:

"As of last evening I split the 4/5 field into two with a master's field for those more experianced racers with a racing age of 36+.  Since you meet the age cutoff I have moved you into the 4/5 Master field.  If you would like to race with teammates in the 4/5 open field I would be happy to move you into that field.  Please contact ASAP and prior to registration closing tomorrow evening and I will move you."

So now I'm conflicted. In terms of choosing my competition, I'd much rather ride in this race. I just make the age cutoff, so it would give me a demographic advantage. Conversely, being in the "open" field with all the youngsters would put me at a demographic disadvantage.

In terms of choosing my teammates, though, I'd love to be there to help out Adam Fabian however I can. Also, as I am heavily targeting the circuit race (where GC time doesn't come much into play), I wouldn't mind some help in the finale if I'm feeling good.

Niall, how old are you? Which field are you doing? Does anyone have any thoughts on the matter?