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Training Camps

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@Bruce van-Schalkwyk that is fantastic. You're going to absolutely slay it this spring.
I was fortunate to escape NY this week with the family for my niece's Bat Mitzvah in LA. I brought my bike knowing that I had to work out my riding schedule around multiple family activities.

Things started poorly as my flight to LA on Sunday was cancelled, killing my plans to join Bruce on my one free day, Monday, in the Malibu hills. I did get to ride every day near my brother in law's home in Glendale. In addition to riding around the Pasadena Rose Bowl and surrounding hills I ascended Angeles Crest three times. That is nearly an hour of uninterrupted climbing. I also was able to continue on to Mt Wilson.

I haven't uploded my ride data, but all in all I rode over 12 hours with something at least 4 of those hours climbing at sub threshold. Just enough to feel great and build fitness but not so much as to keep me from dancing and having a great time with extended family and friends all week.

#familymancamp
Team,

I asked Jules about posting our Mallorca Camp in March information.  Since Kissena is a VIP club you would get a Titanium VIP discount of $500 per rider.  Mallorca is the place, period.  yes, it is pretty "done" but trust me there is a reason.

Here is the information link:  http://www.peakscoachinggroup.com/EarlySpringCamp

Here is a link to Facebook photo album from last year: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10153960515235473.1073741833.88825040472&type=3  

We run three groups a day so any pace is fine, each ride lead by PCG coaches, afternoon learning session and cool night activities.  

Email me at tim@peakscoachinggroup.com if interested, can get you a discount code. We have 6 spots left at this time.

Thanks for letting me post.
hey folks, our Canadian Pal Mike Garrigan has some open spots at a steep discount for Kissenas this September - group price discount for indiviuals.

http://www.okolobike.com/dates/islandmnt2017september

If you follow his Instagram these trips look amazeballs

https://www.instagram.com/okolobike/
Sooooo... I'm up to about 30 trainer rides in a row (not counting a quick lap of the East Village in 20F) and haven't been on a team wide since, what, October? :)

Starting to think a couple days in the sun this February or March could do wonders. 

Anyone else thinking the same?
Niall, it may be a bit too late than what you are thinking, but there is a TX Hill Country Tour an outside of San Antonio that is certainly worthy.  Very well supported and I'll be out there Fri, Sat and Sun, March 30 - April 1.  There are direct flights to San Anton from NYC.  We just an AirBnB, I'm certain that we could get another in the area.  The website is a bit 1998 and shows mostly rec riders, but I know a lot of teams that head out to do the event. happy to help w/ the planning if there is interest.

http://ehct.com/
Bump! Not too late ... And what's better than copious amounts of BBQ to end each day???

Kissena is offering a three day race tactic camp with Scott Moninger and Tim Cusick of Veloscious Coaching as well as our own mentors on Fri-Sun May 18-20th in Trexlertown PA. You already know our coach Tim. Scott is the USA winningest male pro, 2 time Velonews rider of the year and a damn good racer. Google him.

The camp would consist of:

  1. Day 1: Lead out train practice - this is a combo of things, teaching sprint form, working on how to organize, what each rider should be doing and how to execute.  The education is a tell, show, do where we review in classroom, practice on roads (or track) and then do some “lead out team” racing to bring it home.  The focus here is teams learning to win sprint finishes.
  2. Day 2: Race Tactics - here we do what we call “scenario” work, taking the group through a series of tactics and discussion.  Again, tell, show, do style.  We review in classroom then practice scenarios (teamwork, 2 man, winning from the break and more).
  3. Day 3: is an extension of day 2 but we do small team race “finishing” scenarios, bringing it all together.  This means we set up scenarios and race it out.  Typically 4-6 races, less then 2 miles so fitness doesn’t drive result, need to be able to finish.  We review and coach after each session. 

In addition to learning skills, riding bikes and getting to know Tim and Scott it’s a great opportunity to have fun and get to know your teammates. If you are unfamiliar, Trexlertown PA is home of a velodrome (and the Nittany cyclocross race) but also the Bob Rodale (think Bicycling magazine) park which has a closed bike circuit as well as great local roads for riding. It is near Allentown and an hour drive from Philadelphia. 

We expect camp to cost $150 for the weekend plus travel, food and lodging. We plan on getting a block discount for a hotel, so two nights should be about $200 double occupancy and $100 if you share a room with three teammates. Alternatively I found a local Airbnb for $80 a night for 6 people. We expect that members will be able to carpool to the camp. 

Do I have your interest? Let us know so we can plan whether to move ahead with this camp. Please respond with a post on this thread indicating how likely you are to go (definitely, most likely, maybe, no), and whether you would be interested in a double, quad or Airbnb. Add whatever other comments you may have. Able to offer a ride to PA? Have a significant other who would be willing to drive a support vehicle? Let us know

I'm interested!
im interested. 

Sounds great. I'm a maybe, depending on a few different factors. By when would you like a deposit/commitment?
@MaxThorn

Based on the interest over the next week or so we will determine whether to pursue this further. We probably need a minimum of 10 to make it happen, although I'd personally love to see it include the majority of active racers as that will maximize the benefit to our teamwork. At some point soon after we would formalize all of it.

Note that if you are interested but on the fence because of 1) the cost 2) that specific date or 3) some other aspect, let us know as there may be options. If you want to share those concerns privately you can email me at livetoridebikes@gmail.com
Patrick, this sounds fantastic program, count me in. My general take is that if you're racing regularly, this is the kind of training that's hard to find on a club ride, and will help you take it up a level.

FYI I would prob travel from NYC the day before, and I have room for 2-3 folks.
Bump, so far we have four responses. Anyone else other there interested enough for us to pursue this? If so, we'd love to hear from you...


Is this cross-posted to other threads yet? If not, you should. This thread hasn't been very active the past few years. 

I'm on the fence because of the date. I've got finals (for grad school--elsewhere on the forum I've been meaning to post more on this, vis a vis my season goals and plans)
Patrick, I may be spending up two weeks in NY in May.  If the my dates overlap with this, I will likely join.  This doesn't solve your immediate headcount need, but I would know for sure by the end of April.
I would definitely join. This is the sort of thing that gives you an unfair advantage in races, and makes you a better rider and team mate. And it sounds like so much fun!
Not exactly a training camp but I'm headed out to meet Scott and some of his local crew for the TX Hill Country Tour next Easter Weekend. Hit me up if you're down and want to travel together, share accommodation, etc!

http://ehct.com/faq/
^ Jealous
Here is an update on the racing camp.

Responses to the survey indicated that, at best, we could get about 8 or 9 riders to attend the camp (taking into consideration which weekends worked best and even a less expensive option - see results here). This is both good and bad news.

First the bad news: In order to run a racing camp we really need 15-20 participants so that we can have 3 to 4 groups of 4 or 5 practicing and executing race tactics against each other. So the board decided to shelve the racing camp. I still think it could be an really worthwhile experience for new as well as experienced members and hope that there will be enough interest for it in the future. 

So there are two bits of good news. The first is that there seems to be sufficient interest in a weekend away this Spring and the board is moving forward with setting up a weekend where we can all get some great riding on new roads with lots of opportunity for climbing etc. Once some details are nailed down we will be getting input on possible dates. Keep your eyes peeled for an announcement in the next week or so. 

Second, there seems to be interest in the content of a racing camp. I think that if members are looking to learn race tactics and implement them then we should organize some local opportunities to practice these skills, perhaps at Floyd Bennett Field or Rockleigh. I have no doubt that JP, Dale or others in the club could successfully lead groups similar to what Tim Cusick would have done. A good first start would be JP's tactic talk... just saying.
Patrick, good stuff. Thanks for doing the survey, looking forward to hearing more about a weekend.
Kissena is organizing a riding weekend away in the Catskills this Spring.

What should you expect? A weekend of enjoying beautiful roads with teammates.

The roads be a nice change from our usual options, we’ll seek new coffee shops and enjoy dinner together. 

What we need is to determine what weekends work for most of us. Once we pick the best date and have a tentative headcount, we will present a specific weekend with an Airbnb that should keep costs low. 

We are looking at May 19-20, May 26-27, or June 2-3. Note that the second option is Memorial Day weekend. We avoided weekends during which there are races in Prospect Park. 

https://doodle.com/poll/ma3dnepbsxydkirr

What will the weekend look like? 

The plan is to carpool Friday night giving us two full days off riding. Returning home Sunday afternoon.

We will pre-plan some routes, provide ridewithgps files, even include some alternatives. If you know the area, let us know.

After breakfast Saturday we head out to ride. Endurance/tempo pace in the morning keeping the group together. Stop for lunch, after which, we can split into subgroups; some continuing at a similar pace, others attacking local climbs, others opting to head back to the Airbnb.

After cleaning up, we will have dinner together. 

Sunday morning, a different route which will again provide different options. The masochists amongst us will definitely tackle Devil’s Kitchen.

After showers and lunch we’ll head home.

We’ll share transportation to and from the Catskills. 

Please let us know which of these weekends you are available as by April 8th so we can plan accordingly. 

Click on the link to the poll and let us know what dates work for you. Thanks!

https://doodle.com/poll/ma3dnepbsxydkirr

Come join. It’ll be awesome.

PatrickGrehan said:

Sunday morning, a different route which will again provide different options. The masochists amongst us will definitely tackle Devil’s Kitchen.



Oh the memories! That's gonna be #hotness
39x28 does not cut it in the Devil's Kitchen
We should pre-ride August 4 Tour of Catskills 80 or 50 mile routes.  
Patrick, to confirm did you mean ride up or down Devils Kitchen?
Patrick, to confirm did you mean ride up or down Devils Kitchen?
There is no "riding" down. Consider it more of a "fatal plunge".
Here is update on the weekend away

The doodle poll has been stronger for May 18th but pretty close for June 1. I did an online search for places that could accommodate a group of 10 ore more. Comparing AirBnB and Homeaway, the former was less expensive by a significant margin.

I searched for single homes near the Tour of the Catskills route reasonably near towns. I was looking to keep the costs reasonable but still get a clean place with large common areas and kitchens, multiple bathrooms, multiple bedrooms and of course multiple beds.

Here is a link to the front runner for a house that seems to hit most of these goals and should keep housing costs around $100 per person for the weekend. What do you think? I am asking the board to look at this place as well as a few others to find a great place that stays reasonable. Anyone who has event planning skills who wants to help feel free to reach out to me as I have been swamped as of late. 

I will post a more official message in a couple of days asking people to put a deposit down. Even the vote tallies, we are likely going with May 18th unless the preferred housing is not amiable that weekend. We will probably go with a $50 deposit. 

This is gonna be awesome

The doodle poll results are in and Kissena's weekend away in the Catskills is planned for the weekend of May 18-20. Use the link below to sign up and pay the $50 deposit to reserve your spot and enable us to reserve housing.

The weekend: The plan is to carpool from NYC area to Catskills after work on Friday May 18th. Expect a two hour drive from the GWB without traffic. Saturday morning we ride. Route options can be discussed and chosen on the forum, one option being the 80 mile Tour of the Catskills route. We will have lunch and coffee stops. We can also discuss having a group meal at the house Saturday night. Sunday we will ride a different course and head back to the house after lunch. We have arranged for a delayed checkout so we can shower and change after lunch. At that point we carpool back to NYC.

Housing costs: We are requesting that members sign up by Sunday April 22nd so that we can get an accurate headcount and ensure enough comfortable beds at a reasonable rate. Your housing cost will be your share of the total housing costs which will depend on the number of guests. If we are able to secure this AirBnB location we should expect total housing to be around $100 for the weekend.  Be aware that until the location is reserved there is a chance that alternative arrangements will be necessary which means there is a possibility housing costs per person may go as high as $150.

A note about sleeping arrangements. Members will need to share bedrooms. Twin, double and sofa beds will not need to be shared but King and possibly Queen beds may need to be shared depending on the number of members.

In order for us to make this weekend in the above house we need to have a minimum of eight members attending. The doodle poll indicated 11 members wanted to go the weekend of the 18-20th. If we get fewer than eight sign ups we will reserve a smaller house which will limit our ability to add members later on. If you sign up and cannot make the weekend you will get your deposit back as long as we have at least eight members going. If the number drops below eight then someone will need to take your spot in order to get your deposit back. This keeps the other members from having to absorb your costs if you cannot make it.

Transportation: Indicate on the form if you are able to offer rides. Members will arrange carpools on the forum. Member without cars are encouraged to contribute to tolls and gas

Food: Indicate on the form whether you would like to have shared breakfasts (Sat and Sun) and dinner (Sat only). If the majority choose to have shared meals then the club will purchase meals for the house and costs will be split among members.

This should be awesome.

Sign up here


Patrick, fantastic, thanks for co-ordinating all this. I just signed up.

I will be driving from the East Village and have room for two others. I might try and work remotely on Friday so if that works out could head up Thursday night and stay in a nearby motel and squeeze in a morning ride if anyone is down for that.