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Injury: Sprains, Strains, Breaks & Insurance

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Take good care Patrick! best wishes to you always!
Patrick,
     That sucks.  There's a history of heart disease in my family, so it's something I've been watching out for and hoping that the genetic roll of the dice, and my exercise has worked epigenetically in my favor.  

But as to your comment "So... I can't travel and can't go ride my bike. I'm not working as I took this time off. I have to find something to distract me for while. "

to me, and I'd think to you, the combination of physical and mental efforts have become such a part of the normal fabric of life, the loss has the potential to wreak havoc on just about everything else.  

So, if I were in your shoes, I'd work with doctor(s) to find out what you can do that is safe but still gives something of the fatigue/endorphin boost/mental excitement/etc, so the rest of life can go on.  Stuff in the anaerobic realm.  Maybe walking, yoga, weights, I'm sure there's lots else that can be fun and safe and possibly exciting.  

We want to see you back riding and racing.   Healthfully.  And soon.  
Wow @PatrickGrehan that is a tough basket of pills to swallow. I’m so sorry to read this. If it’s any consolation, Jeff White beat the tar out of me climbing Ventoux (yes that one) today. I was on the forum to post some pictures.

It is really rough how hard and fast aging seems to arrive - as athletes I think we’re primed to feel the loss more keenly.

Be well buddy.
So sorry to hear about this, Patrick. Crossing fingers you get through this faster than ever on the bike. Maybe with some increased blood flow after the valve replacement that's not far fetched. 
A couple of weeks ago I had a small pain in my ankle that slowly blossomed throughout the week to being full on tendonitis in my left achilles. Other than moving, I have been taking it pretty easy with minimal activity (which is slowly driving me insane). Doctor and internet said it should resolve itself in a couple of weeks (which would be this week) and it definitely feels better then it had, but still not 100%. Has anyone dealt with this/how long did it take to get back on the bike for you?
Matt, I would look into some easy exercises, stretching, coordinate these with your Doctor and/or with a Physical Therapist.

It is important that they understand and approach it from how much you actually ride.

Otherwise, the only other thing I would recommend is patience. Getting to 95% and then starting too hot, is surefire way to stay at 95% for a loooog time.

Good luck, keep taking good care!
@Matt Budofsky

What Eloy wrote.  

Also, If you have the insurance/funds to cover it, it might be worthwhile to see a bike fitter or bike physiologist to make sure that your shoe and saddle positions aren't a bit wonky for your physiology and possibly exacerbating the tendonitis.  

Years and years ago, I had patellar tendonitis.  Classic overuse issue--form of my life (at the time) and was looking to score as much as I could as the season wound down. I was in college at the time, so I took advantage of the school physiologist and the various recovery tools they had.  The guy recommended a weight room routine plus some intensive heating and cooling of the tendons (don't think this would be recommended today).    To take away some of the insanity from not enough exercise, I swam poorly a few times a week with a buoy between my legs to as not to use them but still get some exercise.  

after about six weeks, the pain was gone.  So I went back to my 'normal.' which was a terrible idea.  One week of vigorous riding plus a few long drives in my manual transmission car, the tendonitis came right back.  and it was another six weeks of rest, followed by four weeks of easy riding.  Adding injury to injury, on one of my easy rides, I slid out, possibly on an oil patch, and broke a tooth. 

Ease back into it.




(I thought I was the only one that got trouble from manuals with a heavy clutch)

Part of being an athlete is being injured; you just have to learn how to manage your impatience. It's tough for us all.

So the past two days have been a roller coaster. 

Over the past few weeks I have had to make peace with the fact that I would actually need surgery instead of the less invasive transcathater procedure. Monday I went through a battery of tests and then met with the surgeon. In short, he said that if I want to have an active lifestyle (e.g. ride my bike) and NOT take blood thinners for the rest of my life, I should choose a tissue (as opposed to mechanical) valve.  Unfortunately I will probably outlive a tissue valve, which will mean that I will want a transcathater (TAVR) procedure in the future. While the FDA has approved TAVR on TAVR procedures, it is too new and not something that the doctors feel is safe enough to bank on at this time. 

So, the doctor wants to so a mini-thoracotomy which essentially is to cut a whole between my ribs, split them apart two inches and replace my aortic valve. Sounds painful, but less invasive than a sternotomy (open heart surgery). I will be in the hospital 3-5 days followed by about a month to recover partially. I should be “mostly” recovered after 8 weeks, although they don’t want me to do anything that risks falling for 12 weeks. So indoor riding is okay but not shredding the trails. 

On Tuesday the scheduler told me that the first available appointment was on August 8th. I was livid. It isn’t such a huge deal to wait another four weeks, but after everything that has happened up until now felt like the final straw. First, I had to take in that I had a serious illness. Next, not only have I not been able to be active or ride my bike since my diagnosis in June, but I was not able to go to Europe to see family (much of which I had not seen since pre-pandemic). I was no longer able to ride in Switzerland nor see the Tour stage in the city I was born (Lausanne). Plus, I had to wait for weeks before finally seeing the Surgeon, I had to deal with all that I didn’t know and having to become more conversant in heart valve issues which included reading about some pretty horrible sounding possibilities. Finally, I had to say goodbye to plans to race cyclocross this Fall. 

I took all those setbacks in stride: trying to make the most out of a bad situation. Somehow, when they told me I had to wait another four weeks that felt like an eternity. 

My luck changed for the better today when this morning I got a call from the scheduler that a surgery appointment opened up for this Monday. It feels a little quick to get all my affairs in order (cancelling patients, pre-op testing, etc.) , but I didn’t hesitate to take it. So that is the current plan. Get cut open Monday, replace my aortic valve, recover for the next few weeks and then try and go back to resuming a normal life.

By the way, I also got a call from Jeff White who had heard about my situation from Jules. He was generous in talking about his situation and how he dealt with similar surgery while Jill was pregnant with their first child. Now that is crazy.

I appreciate all the messages of support. I look forward to riding with you all in the future

We’ll all be thinking of you tomorrow Patrick. Wishing you all the best matey.
Thanks John and all who have reached out. 

As cyclists we are always looking to overcome challenges: Increasing our fitness to strive Floyd races, having the stamina to climb legendary mountain passes, or taking on 45+ minutes of muddy cross races as fast as possible (Supercross Cup at RCC anyone?). 

The way I see it, my surgery and the recovery that follows is just another challenge to have to face and overcome. All the details are taken care of and the team of doctors is a good one. Onwards!
Hey Folks,

I set up a meal train for Patrick and his family. If you want to help out when he gets home the link is here:

https://www.mealtrain.com/trains/6665w8

his email is livetoridebikes@gmail.com

Update from Patrick’s Wife

Hi guys/ this is Katie. I just spoke with the Dr and everything went as well as they could hope for. Minimally invasive procedure and he has a new valve! 

Surgery on Monday (18th) went well.  I don’t remember any of it. Actually I don’t recall any of that day after the anesthesia kicked in. For that, I am thankful. I now have a cow valve for my Aorta. I am calling her Bessie. My surgeon seemed strangely excited about how “good” this valve was. I was too doped up to ask him why.

As cyclists, we pride ourselves on our ability to endure suffering. This was my mentality going into surgery. The recovery would be a kind of suffering that I knew I could get through. Also I assumed that a minimally invasive Thoracotomy would be less painful than traditional Open Heart Surgery (Sternotomy). Maybe its a good thing that I didn’t know this before hand. Recovery “should” still be quicker. 

I was not ready for how much pain I experienced Tuesday. I was on plenty of meds but when I coughed up the bloody phlegm in my lungs it felt as I was being repeatedly stabbed in the ribs. The surgery involved cutting through muscle and tissue as well as moving ribs in ways they were not designed to move. The result? More pain than I ever remember experiencing. 

Wednesday started off feeling better until I started having a Migraine. Something about the surgery was kicking off migraines, but I can only take so much of my Sumatriptan in 24 hours and the hospital was pretty strict about its rules so I ended up with a Migraine so bad that I actually forgot about any other pain I was having. 

Fortunately, the rest of my recovery has been mostly uphill from there. Removing the drain tubes from between my ribs meant that my ribs hurt less often. They moved me out of ICU, which was akin to a 5 star hotel given the amount of attention they gave me. The rest of my stay was more like a Hampton Inn, where if I didn’t ask for pain meds, they were not going to give them to me. 

By Thursday they were ready to send me home, but that got delayed until Saturday when I was finally able to have a BM. That became an ordeal in itself, but the less I say about it the better.

It’s been good to be home. I am sure my wife and son don’t mind having to serve my every whim. LOL. But seriously, they’ve been great. I am staying on top of meds, taking walks, and trying to kill time as I heal. Le Tour Hommes and now Femmes “avec Zwift” have been great distractions. I have been watching some streaming series and made the mistake of watching a comedy the other night. I felt the repercussions of that laugh until the next morning. That night I didn’t get much sleep even with pain medication.

I see my doctors next week, after which time I will have a better idea of how my recovery is going. 

In a world wide blizzard of shitty news this update brightens my day. Super glad to see you back on the forum just one short step away from shitposting about the Tour ;) Seriously PLF wants points for feeling bad about not selecting Cav...?

Enjoy the five star treatment from your family while it lasts. You'll be taking out trash and climbing ladders again before you know it.
So, I went down hard today in the last mile of the L&C Open in CP.  Somewhere along  horseshit alley, but, I think, on the let side of the road. 

Can't tell you what happened.  I blacked out on impact (second helmet busted this year--the last one I busted was in 2002. Anyone got a lead on a new Orange helmet?) but managed to get up and sit down on the left side of the road.  

I was furious.  Helmet gone.  Brand new shoes a mess. Not sure what else is broken on the bike, but I probably can't fix it for a few weeks.  And no outdoor riding probably till September.  

Worst of all, I wasn't even in the mix for the finish.  I had gone up 110berg the last time and could tell I didn't have it.  I was trying to avoid craziness.  

Marc Bertucco came by and walked with me to the Loeb Boathouse where I went into the ambulance, got a neck collar and was whisked off to New York Hospital. It is the nearest Level 1 Trauma Center.

Brain scan, body scan.  Brain is ok.  Body is not.  A Level Three AC separation in my right shoulder.  

overview here--https://www.thesteadmanclinic.com/patient-education/shoulder/ac-separation

And lots of road rash.

Oh, and upon a close inspection of the CT scan, they were concerned I had broken my pelvis because they thought there was a hairline fracture..  At least that's how they phrased it. Got a second one after that.  Not broken.

Lots of road rash and a deep gash on my right shoulder.  The ER resident promised to stitch it up.  then he disappeared for a few hours.  As my wife was there at this point, she got some saline, some absorbent pads and cleaned up my very dirty road rash.  the scratches on my right shin aren't deep, nor particularly dirty.  the road hash on my hip isn't deep at all., but the shoulder and back were, apparently messy.  Since we were on our own, that got hydrogen peroxide.

The doctor finally came back to stitch up my shoulder.  We're talking 3:30pm or so and I arrived by 8am.

No sooner has he cleaned up (again) wounds, someone came in to say, 'a burn victim with burns over 2/3 of her body will be here in 15 minutes.  Oil.  It's not the face, but almost everything else'. 

Obviously, I'm thinking I'm there for another hour or more.

He doesn't change anything.  He says, 'I can do this in five minutes,' and he calmly walked off to get the tools.  Don't know if it took five, but no one rushed in before we left.

On Monday, I'll reach out to an orthopedist to schedule a visit.  Don't know if the doc will recommend surgery or not.  Anyone have experience with this kind of break?
@mugwump I can't help with the shoulder break, but glad to hear the head is OK.  Your helmet looked pretty scrapped up when I ran into you this morning.  Hoping the recovery is quick!
@mugwump
sorry to hear about your terrible luck
i separated a shoulder years ago , no surgery needed , they gave me a figure 8 brace to wear and lot of elastic stretch band for physio , which I didn’t follow through on properly so now I have lump on the shoulder
feel better quickly 
 
Oh JP! That really sucks! Take good care, heal fast! When you are ready we can sort out the helmet ( Redbeard ordered a couple of extras last time) Good luck with the dr.
GregHoge said:
@mugwump I can't help with the shoulder break, but glad to hear the head is OK.  Your helmet looked pretty scrapped up when I ran into you this morning.  Hoping the recovery is quick!
I was hoping to race with you in the next 1/2/3.  Guess that will take a little while.
JP with my shoulder injury years ago (80% torn labrum), I couldn't schedule surgery very quickly so ended up with "frozen shoulder" which is when scar tissue builds up and your shoulder can't move more than a few degrees. The surgery ended up being cutting/scraping out all the scar tissue instead of pinning the labrum back into the socket (I think that's what was originally supposed to happen). I went through a few months of physical therapy and I'm about 90% there.

I guess my suggestion is to get a professional opinion and/or surgery and/or PT ASAP to avoid the above as much as possible.

I'm so sorry about the recent bad luck, but here's to better luck ahead.
JP - this has been a rough year for you. Hope you heal up quick
JP, I'm so sorry that you're in a world of hurt. I wish you a quick recovery.
JP that's rough, sorry to hear! I hope recovery goes smoothly
ahhhhh damn, hope you heal fast JP . If we can do anything to help you along let us know!
Oh man JP I feel for you, that’s rough. Hope things are going ok today. Hang tough mate.
So sorry to hear that JP. 2022 hasn’t been kind. Hope you’re recovering, albeit, possibly slowly. Let us know if you need anything!
I need for the orthopedist I contacted to get back to me. ;)

To me, it's a bit crazy.  When I broke my hand in March, I ended up seeing an orthopedist who, I learned from her bio yesterday, specializes in both athletes and shoulders.  I think I got in to see her pretty quickly after making the appointment. 

With my current health care, there's a portal where you can email to set up an appointment.  I did that yesterday.  Figured I'd get a call first thing today.  Nothing.  Even tried calling.  three times now.  Can't get through.  My wife even stayed home from work so it would be easier for me to run out the door and leave our daughter. 

I would have thought they'd be in the business of monitoring messages and getting in touch with people quickly.  Guess not.  

BTW, @Thierry Bonnaire and @PatrickGrehan ,thanks.  I've got nothing you you.  

@PatrickGrehan hope the pain is going down quickly.  
Holy shit @mugwump you don't crash often but when you do... damn. Treat that concussion with the respect is deserves. You probably know the drill but sleep, sleep and more sleep. Emotional volatility is another symptom to warn your family about.

Hope you heal up quickly. Definitely an annus horribilis on the bike. I'm sure the team will scour youtube and instagram for you on the off chance there is some Zapbruder tape out there.
Jules said:
 I'm sure the team will scour youtube and instagram for you on the off chance there is some Zapbruder tape out there.
My friend's son is already on it.  Not that I asked.