reg'd

Yes, our leadout train needs a much better plan. I agree with Christian 100 percent on that. But in all fairness, last Saturday was all about Dave Vollbach for the last three laps. It's very difficult to block for multiple laps and then finish big with a proper leadout, all the while taking care not to chase down your solo man out front.

The difficulty is that a leadout is greatly dependent on how many folks we have at the front at the top of the uphill, so they have to be flexible. If we have 6 or 7, we can probably take it all the way home. Any less, and we have to be much smarter than that.

I feel for the leadout woes. As Marc said it's a tough one to hide for an hour, hour and a half in order to have 5 minutes (or 15 seconds) of glory at the end.
It takes commitment and practice; very tough to amass practice time in races. I'm up for some after hours (sunday long ride?) practice.

Here are my 3 minutes of glory. In retrospect, it seemed like all the breakaway guys were working against one another. When the field has 110 guys, we need to be more thoughtful about when and with whom we attack. It seemed like each lap a different guy / team was taking a crack at it. So yeah, this move was dumb but at least I got some pictures.

http://nyvelocity.com/gallery/image/7129?page=37

http://nyvelocity.com/gallery/image/7129?page=36

Myles & Moser

Eric & Moser

Team Moser

Charlie & Moser!

Form

Last one, John & Moser

signed up for both Sat & Sun this week.

i'm in for saturday, 50/50 on sunday.

someone say something about a "fanboy?"

ah screw it i can't get the pic to upload properly. here's the link. http://nyvelocity.com/gallery/image/7129?page=52

damn didn't work

Is that a Chabanov photo-bomb?

Should we start seperate threads for the Sprint & KOM strategies??? I'de like to see Dan or Ryan win it.
In the sprint....I think Ryan or Dan should attack at 1k...this will likely work. If anybody gives chase, I will mark them with Dan or Ryan on my wheel. If this works I can drop one of those guys off right at the line to get the points. As long as we have a presence at the front of the race before the sprint, we can likey discourage a chase. Lets not just win the jersey this, lets stuff the podium!
yacks

^I like this.

I'd like to put my hat in the mushpot for KOM - will the same strategy apply to both?

Reg'd for Sat I'm out of town on Sunday. There was some talk last week about set ups for the KOM, however at each KOM lap we had a guy in the break (certainly not a bad problem to have). On the first one with Ryan and another guy up the road, I tried for the 3rd KOM slot but got pinged at the end and rolled over 4th. I'm game for trying again perhaps a double effort with Tito. It seems last week the KOM was best served through a break on the lap before. Is there any merit in employing this strategy?

I was so brain dead last week I didn't realize there were 2nd and 3rd places for the KOM/SPRINTS.

DOH!

Hey All,

I'll cross post this to the webbernet forum, but we now have a private calendar. .... Or so I thought.

The links I posted don't seem to update as I add events

(back to school for me)

Posted By: Jeffrey WhiteIt's very difficult to block for multiple laps and then finish big with a proper leadout, all the while taking care not to chase down your solo man out front.

The difficulty is that a leadout is greatly dependent on how many folks we have at the front at the top of the uphill, so they have to be flexible. If we have 6 or 7, we can probably take it all the way home. Any less, and we have to be much smarter than that.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record...

True...if your priority is racing for the breakaway, then it's going to be harder to organize for the final group gallop. That's why I've previously suggested, that you pick a race, forget about racing for the breakaway entirely, and decide to win the group sprint.

I think with 6 or 7 guys, the best place to start your leadout is going to be going into the descent on the backside of the course. You just aren't going to have enough firepower to control things from the top of the climb. And even if you did, it would be wasted efforts. Think about all the guys going for last lap attacks of glory up the hill. No one is taking it easy there on the last lap. The pace is already controlled well past the left handed funnel dip past the top of the hill. 50 meters before the descent you may see bunching as the front guys run out of steam and the back markers from the climb accordion themselves back to the fleshy-mid section of the field.

[I could be wrong about this, but I don't think so. Here's a challenge for you. Most of you guys are out riding in PP in the early morning sometime anyway. Get together with all ye power meters and start an imaginary leadout--TTT--from the top of the hill. Take a look at the numbers, when do you start to fizzle, rather, when do you start generating watts/speed that are going to invite others to swarm your train?]

That's when all Kissena's should steam-roll to the front. Gravity will help you keep things fast and attack-free on the descent, physics will help you keep it on the straight and narrow through the left handed funnel sweeper. After that, Kissena, you are on your own. The pavement is smooth and fast now. Guys are going to want to jump. It's up to you to ramp up those watts to keep it hard for the finish.

And here's the thing, if you get it right a couple of times, it will be easier for you to control the finale of these races because other teams are not completely stupid (I think) and they will recognized that a fast hard Kissena train is good for them too. They'll be fighting for the caboose spot on that train, but that's their problem.

For the love of God! Please don"t make Marc repeat himself again... or that clanking of bottles at 3am might just be the Kaiser and I paying you all a visit... with delicious Stumptown coffee... but no muffins! Definitely no muffins.

Actually, speaking of early mornings and race strategy; I have been unjustly dethroned from the Brooklyn Bridge Strava KOM. The "champion" probably didn't have to shoulder check a single pedestrian, because he rode it at 3.30 in the effing morning!?
Anyone interested in a bomb the bridges event early one morning to regain Kissena pride?

John,

I will totally lead you out on the bridge (Meaning ride ahead of you and keep an eye out and warn pedestrians that someone will be biking by very fast.) I feel like if we can get two or three others to do so we could get you the title back and keep it safe.

Joe

John --after you reclaim the Brooklyn Bridge Strava crown, you can shoot for this one:

http://www.strava.com/rides/210km-of-paris-roubaix-unfortunately-it-s-a-257km-race-flat-and-no-support-game-over-6417371

Dudes,

L&C cup is about to close out to 123s and cat 5s:

https://www.bikereg.com/NET/15781/Lucarelli--Castaldi-Cup-Prospect-Park-Series

Reg'd!

Won't be there in the 5's this week. Moving Apts this weekend, so it's non-stop packing for me until then. Coming to take over Park Slope from Sheepshead Bay. I will finally be right near the park on 7th Ave & 11th St! Joy!

Ive been holding out to see how things go recovering but there hasnt been much progress so im going to sit these out

I'm considering it, but do we really need 20 people in the 4's?

Yes. 19 will not suffice.