Jun 14, 2012 at 08:37 PM
^^
A wee bit more sleep. I'll take it!
A wee bit more sleep. I'll take it!
L&C Cup
Jun 14, 2012 at 08:38 PM
I'll be with the 1-2-3. I like trying to get away in the breaks but it hasn't been working, so I plan to sit in and wait for the sprint. With the # of guys we have, I think we should have 3 or 4 Kissenas sitting in for the final sprint, and try to get away together just before the downhill, before the sprinters clog up the road.
Jun 14, 2012 at 11:28 PM
Should I join too, so the 4's have an even SIXTEEN Kissena riders? I volunteer to sit in and do nothing.
Jun 14, 2012 at 11:32 PM
let's break it up into 2 squads....make it interesting? and confuse the fuck out of people when we're chasing down our own dudes in breaks.
Jun 15, 2012 at 12:18 AM
That happens anyway!! Haha. Kissena rulz.
Jun 15, 2012 at 12:35 AM
assimilate...assimilate
Jun 15, 2012 at 03:39 PM
Cat 4s:
a little bit of a different plan this week. If I get both green jersey sprints this week it will be very hard for anybody to catch up, so I have the goal of winning both of the sprints (and locking up the jersey) with your help. We also have a strong team for attacking. We want to make this race hard when we're not locking up the green.
Lets make people chase us from the gun, so there are a handful of you for that and trying to wrap up some KOM points for Jeff C. Make other teams chase us down and wear themselves out.
Jules and Dave V, keep your powder dry until the last KOM (which is normally with 2-3 laps to go, and follow the sprint with an attack over the hill. There is normally 5-10 second gap between the folks going for KOM and the rest of the field, you could capitalize on the confusion if you guys kill it over the hill and do a 2man TT to win this race (which I know you've both got).
At this point the rest of us, who've been on Green Jersey duty start interrupting any kind of chase with some "Kissena chasing their own riders" (TM) blocking. In the last lap all of you in the final sprint group should start lining on the right side up with the Kaiser prepared to do a leadout that starts no earlier than the Temple. I will repeat, don't start until the temple. 5 guys should get you to the line.
If we do this right we do 1st and 2nd from the break and 3rd place winning the field sprint, and muffins rain from the heavens.
Whatever you do, be near other Kissena when you're in the field. and let them know that you're there. They can't always see you when you're behind. communicate with your teammates so you know what is going on.
a little bit of a different plan this week. If I get both green jersey sprints this week it will be very hard for anybody to catch up, so I have the goal of winning both of the sprints (and locking up the jersey) with your help. We also have a strong team for attacking. We want to make this race hard when we're not locking up the green.
Lets make people chase us from the gun, so there are a handful of you for that and trying to wrap up some KOM points for Jeff C. Make other teams chase us down and wear themselves out.
Jules and Dave V, keep your powder dry until the last KOM (which is normally with 2-3 laps to go, and follow the sprint with an attack over the hill. There is normally 5-10 second gap between the folks going for KOM and the rest of the field, you could capitalize on the confusion if you guys kill it over the hill and do a 2man TT to win this race (which I know you've both got).
At this point the rest of us, who've been on Green Jersey duty start interrupting any kind of chase with some "Kissena chasing their own riders" (TM) blocking. In the last lap all of you in the final sprint group should start lining on the right side up with the Kaiser prepared to do a leadout that starts no earlier than the Temple. I will repeat, don't start until the temple. 5 guys should get you to the line.
If we do this right we do 1st and 2nd from the break and 3rd place winning the field sprint, and muffins rain from the heavens.
Whatever you do, be near other Kissena when you're in the field. and let them know that you're there. They can't always see you when you're behind. communicate with your teammates so you know what is going on.
| Eric | Mehlenbeck | Early Attack/KOM |
| Christopher | Conde | Early Attack/KOM |
| Richard | Petersen | Early Attack/KOM |
| David | Gardiner | Early Attack/KOM |
| Jeff | Condon | Early Attack/KOM |
| Gideon | Sorkin | Final Sprint |
| Matthew | Arlyck | Final Sprint |
| Jeffrey | White | Final Sprint |
| Christian | Refakis | Final Sprint |
| Adam | Naguib | Final Sprint |
| Jules | Roazen | LATE ATTACK |
| David | Vollbach | LATE ATTACK |
| James | Nelson | Green Jersey/Late Blocking |
| Patrick | Grehan | Green Jersey/Late Blocking |
| David | Stearns | Green Jersey/Late Blocking |
| Chris | Yack | Green Jersey/Late Blocking |
| Daniel | Reiners | Green Jersey/Late Blocking |
Jun 15, 2012 at 03:52 PM
So Kaiser is sprinting?
Jun 15, 2012 at 03:54 PM
Charlie needs volunteers for KOM official and registration. If you are KOM official you get paid,
My usual KOM official can’t make it to tomorrow’s race. Can anybody on this group help?
Registration volunteers are needed for tomorrow’s race at 5:15AM. If you help out you race for free. Please email Charlie at cibike@aol.com
Thanks!
Regards,
Jun 15, 2012 at 04:56 PM
I feel I'm too far down in KOM points to make a run at Sergey. Plus I'll miss next week for Cielo. Vollbach is better positioned for this. I'm happy to help him with that. Personally I'd prefer to try to get in a mid to late break (as I'm sure all would). Perhaps there a role in shadowing Sergey to make sure he doesn't win KOMs or get away. Not sure I can beat him in a KOM sprint but perhaps Vollbach and I double team him.
Jun 15, 2012 at 05:05 PM
I'm in for the 123's. I'm going to have to feel out the race but will be active in the early/middle part of the race.
Jun 15, 2012 at 05:19 PM
I'm in too btw...
Jun 15, 2012 at 05:22 PM
predisposed for any mischievous plan you devils are up to.
Jun 15, 2012 at 05:30 PM
1/2/3's:
We have Stokes, Lenny, Keith, JOhn, Daniel HUbbard, Ryan, Joe, Joaquin, JP, Rene, Vlad, Marc. That's 12 of 110 entries.
Of the 12, seems like we have three guys who could be our "sprinter." I don't think it's the best to "save" all three for the sprint. Maybe we save one, the other two are active early keeping things together, making sure that splits don't occur. By this, I mean that I don't want to see groups of more than four get away early unless we're represented, so that the assignment is to pick the pace up if we miss anything and try to bring nit back together or follow wheels and sit on any move that looks like it has a chance of getting away. This kind of riding should be for the first three to four laps, then the people doing this can recover for the finish.
That leaves us with nine riders. We need two guys ready to go hard on the first lap. One to go either ahead of the inevitable Dioslaki attack or go with it. And one to be behind and get on any move that looks promising behind Dioslaki's attack. Whether or not this move works for more than a lap will change how we ride the next few laps.
We need the nine riders to be ready in some fashion from nine laps to go to two laps to go. The best time for breakaways is probably between six to go and four to go. I'm not sure how we should break down the assignments, so I'd love people to volunteer.
Considering the size of the field, 110 riders, active blocking could make a difference in terms of seeing a break stick or not. This goes both for us and for other teams. So the more guys we have in the top 20-30 spots, the better it is for us.
If it's all together on the last lap,we need a sprint lineup. With 10 guys, we should be able to get to the front and share the work after we go over the hill. Try to stay near the front as we go uphill and once the hill flattens at the top, most will sit up and then we'll take advantage of this to move up. Even if this means seven taking turns until (John, help us out here) we leave it up to two leadout guys and a sprinter. We'll have one person take a long, hard pull down the hill to the funnel and then he's probably gone.
Please, speak up.
Jun 15, 2012 at 06:51 PM
Jeff C - if you look at sergeys license he should mandatorily be a 3 now. There is a chance hes upgraded. Don't get discouraged!
Yes, I am going for the final sprint.
C
Yes, I am going for the final sprint.
C
Jun 15, 2012 at 07:12 PM
1/2/3's,
I should add that I'm happy to attack from the line. Just want somebody ready to follow Dioslaki. Ryan, Joe, Joaquin, Keith?
Jun 15, 2012 at 07:14 PM
I'm happy to do what I'm told
(or do my best to, anyway, I'm not 100% sure what to expect in this, my first big boy race)
Jun 15, 2012 at 07:28 PM
1/2/3s...12 riders, those are pretty good numbers. Of course it's all about quality, not quantity. Especially tomorrow. I have a sneaky suspicion it's going to be a fast one.
Since Lenny spoke up first and mentioned want to sit in and waiting for the sprint, lets start there. As far as sprinters go, we've got Rene and Malcolmson as well. Rene's got a good turn of speed with a leadout, and Malcolmson has been freelancing his final sprints pretty well too, but might be better tomorrow for the last leadout guy, since he often goes long anyway. Rene would probably benefit from also being second to last leadout guy in that it will force him to think about position and get used to the jostling in the final kilometers that will ultimately benefit him when he has to freelance a finale. Lets make sure our sprinters are talking to each other out there before and during the race.
I don't think I know Daniel Hubbard at all...so I can't really suggest a role for him. Joaquin has at times been the strongest guy on the club...not sure where he's at these days. Last time I raced with him in the spring he looked easy-breezy spinning near the back of the peloton.
Keith and I have some latent Riverton anger at being dropped so early on last week. So I'm thinking we should be the early, go bat-shit crazy dudes. This might result in me being dropped and not being able to finish the race, but better I do stuff early, than cruise around the back of the pack just trying to finish a race. This might be a good role for Joaquin too, if he's still spinning up to race speed, nothing like jumping after some hard early moves to shock the system into shape.
Stokes is rock-solid, and motivated. He'll be a good one to crank out some diesel power if a dangerous break slips away without Kissena represented; and if it comes down to a sprint and we need a good sprint-train leadout he's a valuable part of the train.
That leaves a solid squad of break away artists to do their thing Joe, Vlad, Ryan and JP. You guys have the watts and JP has the experience (and watts too), please stay near him. He knows what's really dangerous, and what's really lame and not worth your effort.
Also, this isn't actually relevant right now, and for Cat 3s and below, technically not a rule, but I want to get in the habit of professional racing behavior, which includes keeping our kits matched on any given race. Tomorrow, we'll be wearing the "standard" jersey.
p.s. if you can't afford the anniversary jersey, when it's being called for, I'm sure we, as a club, can work something out so you have a matching jersey to wear on race day.
Since Lenny spoke up first and mentioned want to sit in and waiting for the sprint, lets start there. As far as sprinters go, we've got Rene and Malcolmson as well. Rene's got a good turn of speed with a leadout, and Malcolmson has been freelancing his final sprints pretty well too, but might be better tomorrow for the last leadout guy, since he often goes long anyway. Rene would probably benefit from also being second to last leadout guy in that it will force him to think about position and get used to the jostling in the final kilometers that will ultimately benefit him when he has to freelance a finale. Lets make sure our sprinters are talking to each other out there before and during the race.
I don't think I know Daniel Hubbard at all...so I can't really suggest a role for him. Joaquin has at times been the strongest guy on the club...not sure where he's at these days. Last time I raced with him in the spring he looked easy-breezy spinning near the back of the peloton.
Keith and I have some latent Riverton anger at being dropped so early on last week. So I'm thinking we should be the early, go bat-shit crazy dudes. This might result in me being dropped and not being able to finish the race, but better I do stuff early, than cruise around the back of the pack just trying to finish a race. This might be a good role for Joaquin too, if he's still spinning up to race speed, nothing like jumping after some hard early moves to shock the system into shape.
Stokes is rock-solid, and motivated. He'll be a good one to crank out some diesel power if a dangerous break slips away without Kissena represented; and if it comes down to a sprint and we need a good sprint-train leadout he's a valuable part of the train.
That leaves a solid squad of break away artists to do their thing Joe, Vlad, Ryan and JP. You guys have the watts and JP has the experience (and watts too), please stay near him. He knows what's really dangerous, and what's really lame and not worth your effort.
Also, this isn't actually relevant right now, and for Cat 3s and below, technically not a rule, but I want to get in the habit of professional racing behavior, which includes keeping our kits matched on any given race. Tomorrow, we'll be wearing the "standard" jersey.
p.s. if you can't afford the anniversary jersey, when it's being called for, I'm sure we, as a club, can work something out so you have a matching jersey to wear on race day.
Jun 15, 2012 at 07:34 PM
1/2/3's,I wouldn't want JP to do that necessarily. I want him in a move that sticks out there for at least a lap or two and requires a tough field chase to bring back. I plan to be at the front early. I won't necessarily be able to grab that wheel, and will probably get gapped, but, and take note, having a Kissena hammering and 1/2 way across, ultimately serves the same goal, namely it will ignite the field to "finish the job." Closing down dangerous moves doesn't require that you are on that rear wheel like glue, you know what I'm saying here?I should add that I'm happy to attack from the line. Just want somebody ready to follow Dioslaki. Ryan, Joe, Joaquin, Keith?
Jun 15, 2012 at 08:59 PM
I will be the KOM marshall by the way, the frog with the cow bell.....
Jun 15, 2012 at 09:00 PM
Ah, I see Sergey registered late. Never mind.
Jun 15, 2012 at 09:03 PM
Thank you Thierry.
Jun 15, 2012 at 09:27 PM
Might we want combine for a breakaway with W-Wheels or Axis or another three heavy team who won't want a field sprint against United/Mingonie?
Jun 15, 2012 at 09:48 PM
Combines are always good and if you know guys who are willing, let them know we are too. And don't worry about keeping it hush-hush. Mengoni's coming with 8 guys, 4 maybe 5 who would be good in a breakaway (although be careful, if you are unlucky to get Marte Jr or Sr, or Vazquez, you can count on 0 work in the group, they will sit for the sprint), New Jersey's Rafael Urzedowski is always a threat (JP and I know what he looks like), ex-Kissena Al Borouh on BH has been quiet in the years since he's left the team, but strong as an ox, Stan's No TUbe's Michael Margarite, Chabanov is just one of two Foundations...none of these guys have any love of the bunch sprint.
Jun 15, 2012 at 09:58 PM
Augusto Sanchez (Mengoni) and Jermaine Burrowes (United) are starting their summer domination run and will shred anyone in the P/1/2/3 break. If you see them up there, get in that move or bring it back... and if you're there with them at the end, be prepared for some craftiness.
Jun 15, 2012 at 10:08 PM
I think I'm gonna sit in and do nothing.
Partially bc today's "moderate" ride with Keith was actually borderline threshold, the day after a hammerfest....and included me taken out by a salmoning, red light running, electric bike delivery asshole. If they don't stop it didn't happen, right? Yes, my bike is fine.
Partially bc today's "moderate" ride with Keith was actually borderline threshold, the day after a hammerfest....and included me taken out by a salmoning, red light running, electric bike delivery asshole. If they don't stop it didn't happen, right? Yes, my bike is fine.
Jun 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM
Not for nothing but...what are Ragot, Perlberg and William DC doing this weekend?
Jun 16, 2012 at 12:34 AM
Not for nothing but...what are Ragot, Perlberg and William DC doing this weekend?
Sleepover at Mikey's parents.
https://www.bikereg.com/Net/15044
Jun 16, 2012 at 12:40 AM
Tuggus
Jun 16, 2012 at 01:07 AM
I'm out...daughter has a track meet at my old high school in South Huntington at 9:00 a.m. family 1st...good luck Dan. One more race of smash-mouth sprinting and you can follow wheels for the rest of the series...yacks