May 08, 2014 at 09:18 PM
I have registered....
L&C Cup
May 08, 2014 at 11:50 PM
I missed reg by 12 minutes. I may or may not try for day-of. I've grown to meh PP races.
May 09, 2014 at 12:14 AM
Wait....they have races at other venues?
May 09, 2014 at 02:16 AM
We’ve got a strong team registered for Saturday:
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To review, our primary goals are to:
- get our racers into breaks
- defend the KOM
- successfully lead out Rigby for the finish
As discussed earlier this week this is a good opportunity to get into breaks. Let’s all take stabs at it. Following the green or KOM sprints is a good time to attack. I didn’t get far last time, but if I still have the legs, I will be willing to give it my all to help a Mark I or any other teammate to establish a break immediately following the second KOM sprint. If everyone shows up we can even take stabs on some green jersey points. If you are interested, make yourself known.
Once again I have assigned roles with the expectation that as many as the racers listed who can help will do so. Be ready to be flexible. During the last race we had a strong lead out for the first KOM and none whatsoever for the second. Being attentive and communicating with teammates will help us work collaboratively at critical points. Note that David, Wes and Brendan are only listed for the finishing sprint in order to help keep their legs fresh, but they should feel free to participate as they see fit.
First Half:
Cover breaks: Harry, Bruce, Jeff, Phil, Jim
KOM lead out: Mark, Dan, Thierry, Tim
Second half:
Cover breaks second half of race: Thierry, Tim, Dan, Mark
KOM lead out: Mark I, Jim, Harry, Jeff, Phil
Lead out Rigby for final sprint: Bruce, David, Wes, Dan, Patrick, and anyone with legs
Notes on the finishing lead out:
I nominate David to organize Rigby’s train. Everyone position yourself in front of him on the right side on the downhill. We don’t need to stay to the right once the train gets going, just before the temple so that we can form the train. Listen to David's commands of “steady”, “go”, “pull off”, and maybe even “slow down” to keep the train together. Last time we started too early given the number of riders available in the train. It is okay for us to wait longer to ramp up the speed. This time we should also have a larger train. Don’t forget that having someone sweep Rigby’s wheel would also be helpful.
Looking forward to a fun race Saturday!
May 09, 2014 at 02:33 AM
I'll poke around the first half then try to sweep at the end.
Some thoughts re a train-
1. We've never practiced this
2. Rigby is strong enough and smart enough to successfully freelance a sprint
We might have more success just throwing some flyers off the front and letting other people tire themselves out closing the gaps. Everyone is so jumpy by then that they're bound to chase anything down. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows.
*Not saying I'm not down to help. I just don't want our train attempt to become someone elses lead out
May 09, 2014 at 02:36 AM
I'll be there with a new kit and different bike ( cross bike sold and the van Dessel road bike is in the shop) look for me in a yellow kit with a euro red road bike. Should be fun out there gents!
May 09, 2014 at 10:22 AM
KCC is fielding a strong group of racers in what looks to be a pretty stacked and full 1/2/3 field. And while I feel like someone who is definitely racing (and I'm likely a DNS) should take the reigns and get the discussion going, it's Friday morning and crickets...
So let me try and get the conversation started anyway.
Here's the KCC 1/2/3 start list:
| Jules | Roazen | Brooklyn | NY | 5/05/14 | |
| Ryan | Johnston | Brooklyn | NY |
Kissena Cycling Club
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5/07/14 |
| Michael | Perlberg | Brooklyn | NY |
Kissena Cycling Club
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5/07/14 |
| Andrew | Da Silva | Brooklyn | NY |
Kissena Cycling Club
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5/08/14 |
| Vlad | Preoteasa | Brooklyn | NY | 5/04/14 | |
| Chris 1.21 gigawatts | Yack | malverne | NY | 5/08/14 | |
| David | Stokes | New York | NY | 5/07/14 | |
| J.P. | Partland | New York | NY | 5/06/14 | |
| Eric | Ragot | Brooklyn | NY | 5/06/14 | |
| Dusan | Strika | Parlin | NJ |
Kissena Cycling Team
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To discuss:
- Team objective
- Roll assignment (everyone can't do everything)
- Road captain
- Strikers (early/mid/late race)
- Defenders (early/mid/late race)
- "Protected" (this doesn't mean guys who can sit back and take a free ride--as a team we're not that strong--but these are the guys who have a realistic shot at a top 10 and shouldn't have to respond to the Dioslaki race-opening attack, for example...they should however be ready for the counter!)
- Expectation setting
- Team plan
- Opening gambit
- Middle Madness
- End game
- The "Garrigan Factor"
May 09, 2014 at 12:03 PM
I'm just going to ask garrigan when he plans to win the race and go with him at that point.
Good luck to the rest of you.
Good luck to the rest of you.
May 09, 2014 at 12:17 PM
I'll have attacked beforehand so I'll be waiting to be picked up by the Garrigan-Perlberg Express Train.
May 09, 2014 at 01:33 PM
I'm am going to guess that Ryan is a no show given the stork visited him last night.
May 09, 2014 at 01:35 PM
We'll be racing with a bunch of guys that just got back from Speedweek. Look out for Evan Murphy and just about anyone from Champ-Sys in the break. This is going to be another fast one.
May 09, 2014 at 01:36 PM
Haha, don't worry about me gents. I don't wanna snuff out your ride. Looks like JP has a real shot at keeping the silver jersey if the cookie crumbles properly.
I'll be fix'n to be one of the more active yellow jersey wearers there has been after the 2nd lap.
May 09, 2014 at 01:44 PM
In all seriousness, this is a big, fast field. 98 listed starters (Garrigan isn't on there), so we can assume this will go to 110.
We do have to be on from the start. The right combination will take it, probably from a long way out.
May 09, 2014 at 01:48 PM
Why do I feel like I'm about to land on a beach in Normandy?
May 09, 2014 at 02:03 PM
May 09, 2014 at 02:20 PM
@Mike G., consider getting to the race on the extra early side. On the one hand there probably aren't too many people who want to race who haven't pre-registered. (And it's looking like rain is a real possibility) On the other hand Charlie is pretty strict when it comes to field limits, etc.
May 09, 2014 at 02:25 PM
Getting a few rabbits to go early might not be a bad idea. The race leaders are either unattached or have very little team mates. This means that they are going to be freelancing as they've done in the last 2 races and will be twitchy. We should still try to have at least 2 guys with Brendan at the end.Wes Tillman said:I'll poke around the first half then try to sweep at the end.Some thoughts re a train-1. We've never practiced this2. Rigby is strong enough and smart enough to successfully freelance a sprintWe might have more success just throwing some flyers off the front and letting other people tire themselves out closing the gaps. Everyone is so jumpy by then that they're bound to chase anything down. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows.*Not saying I'm not down to help. I just don't want our train attempt to become someone elses lead out
Full disclosure: My fitness is on the downswing so I will be hiding as much as possible until the end.
May 09, 2014 at 02:43 PM
For the 4s, I think we should control the pace even right before the chute. Not necessarily lead out fast however.
May 09, 2014 at 02:43 PM
I am also not in shape and probably won't be able to help much. Plus, considering our numbers, incognito time may rear it's Fredly head again. Although, rain will keep a decent lot home.
May 09, 2014 at 02:45 PM
yup - I honestly don't think we need much more planing than that.mugwump said:We do have to be on from the start. The right combination will take it, probably from a long way out.
Early help just so we have representation in every early move is very much appreciated.
If it looks like a sprint towards the end and you are ready to sprint, find me, Eric, or JP and let it be known and we'll do what we can do.
May 09, 2014 at 03:14 PM
My participation is merely experimental,i'm just looking to see if i can finish
May 09, 2014 at 04:38 PM
Depending on the weather tomorrow, I might day of reg for the 4's. willing to chase down whatever and keep those gaps closed.
May 09, 2014 at 04:45 PM
@Wes if one of your concerns is that the KCC sprint train, then wash those worries away! There are three easy steps to neutralize those bad odors.
- Get to the front.
- Look around and make eye contact with your guy.
- Get on the front and ride hard.
You don't worry if someone else jumps on your wheel, once you've made eye contact and are in near proximity and understanding with your sprinter, it is the sprinter's responsibility to get to where he needs to be to take advantage of your work.
#PleaseTryProShitwhileYouCanBeforeYouUpgradetoAssKickersCategory
May 09, 2014 at 06:10 PM
I am happy to be working for Brendan and Patrick in leadouts for this race.
Brendan I am going to be your shadow for most of the race. We should be tailgunning this entire race until the last lap. You should not be anywhere near the front of the race (nose out of the wind), except for the last 50-100 yards of the race. Be prepared to have me yelling at you to get behind somebody or even stay on my wheel.
After watching your race video from april 19th, we're going to make this next one SUPER boring. it should be 99.5% wide angle ass shots, and 0.5% wide open road.
May 09, 2014 at 07:46 PM
Gonna be a good one!
May 09, 2014 at 08:18 PM
Awesome. But what happens if Garrigan is up the road with no Kissenas in tow. What does the team do?eragot said:I'll have attacked beforehand so I'll be waiting to be picked up by the Garrigan-Perlberg Express Train.
May 09, 2014 at 08:42 PM
we try to get in a chase group.Marc Bertucco said:Awesome. But what happens if Garrigan is up the road with no Kissenas in tow. What does the team do?eragot said:I'll have attacked beforehand so I'll be waiting to be picked up by the Garrigan-Perlberg Express Train.
May 09, 2014 at 09:42 PM
If I'm up the road without any kissena I'd vote for you guys to do whatever is best for JP. I'm out to have fun and you guys should do the same whatever that means at the time. Giver !!
Or maybe I don't really "get" road racing?
The next one on the 18th is my last one so if I was you guys I'd try to keep up with the points for the overall as it looks like a long summer of races!
May 10, 2014 at 01:04 AM
@Garrigan - I like how the top portion of your POC helmet has faded to match the yellow L&C leader's jersey. Almost as if you planned it.
May 10, 2014 at 02:06 AM
Where in prospect park will registration be located?