Kissena Forum Archive

Jul 26, 2013 at 01:52 PM

we have a car sorted for tomorrow's trip out to hunter. it'll be a ~7am start from brooklyn ready for an 11am race.

we have a spare spot and so if someone wants to come put in some decent miles in a setting that isn't 9W, let me know.

Jul 27, 2013 at 02:26 AM

Give 'em the business guys!

Thierry Bonnaire

Jul 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM

Any results??

Jul 28, 2013 at 12:46 AM

i'll post an actual report a some point, but here's what i know:

probably my hardest ever day on the bike, physically and mentally.
i survived a few splits and was in fact moving up really well on the two climbs of the first lap.
on the second lap, my HR became weirdly detached from my power output (i.e power was almost manageable but my HR was through the roof), which led to...
at one point, with my HR at max, being a little bit sick in my mouth.
and that's where i was dropped; consequently...
I fell to pieces, and the HR-power detachment thing became worse e.g with my HR at close to 160, i was struggling -- i mean really struggling -- to put out 150 watts. at that HR my power is usually closer to 275.
I finally got it together and TT'd my way to the end. not sure where i finished, somewhere in the middle maybe.
harry was looking good, but suffered a pretty bad mechanical when his derailleur hanger snapped.
i'm over 5lbs lighter now than i was yesterday.
i'm now drinking a cold beer.

really enjoyed it though and i can now rest easy that i finished hunter after spring's puncture disaster.

p.s. if anyone could suggest what was going on with the HR/power thing, i'd love to know. stating that i am weak is an entirely valid answer. it happened about 45 miles in, and i don't think that i was that fatigued, and i don't think i was bonking, but i could be very wrong.

Thierry Bonnaire

Jul 28, 2013 at 01:33 AM

Dehydration??
Anyway great effort Mark!

Jul 28, 2013 at 02:43 AM

@Mark that sounds like a rough day in the saddle. Good on you for not quitting though. Results show you hung on to the bitter DFL end http://velocityresults.com/results/458/hunter-mountain-summer-classic-hunter-ny

As for what happened, it would be very hard to guess with just the anecdote of the day. Could be dehydration, could be bonk, could be you just blew your engine and didn't recover, could be you are getting sick, could be you were insufficiently trained for a longer race...could just be a bad day in the saddle - they happen to everyone.

You really need to look at these efforts over longer periods (weeks, months) to look for trends to make sense of any one day's effort - ie was it an outlier or "expected performance"

Marc Bertucco

Jul 28, 2013 at 03:01 AM

Well, you are dehydrated. Losing 5lbs proves that. I'm also betting your pee is the color of maple syrup right about now. I'd chase that beer with a lot of water. (not to be a nag, but alcohol is terrible for hydration. TERRIBLE.) It's going to take you a few days of steady re-hydration to get back to normal. Also, make sure you are eating extremely well. You are probably low on sodium and potassium as well.

As far as your HR vs power numbers. That simply means you were done. This is your body's way of saying, "No, I don't think so. Shut it down buddy."

You don't say what your numbers were during the TT to the end, but it sounds like your body recovered so you were able to crank out some power again.

Low HR with high perceived rate of exertion is also a classic sign of being sick.

I would recommend you take Sunday completely off. Monday EASY spin for 45-70 minutes, then see how you are feeling in the following days. If you are still unable to ride/train at your normal levels, you might need a few more days of taking it easy. If you are still having trouble? Time for a visit to a doctor.

dstokes

Jul 28, 2013 at 03:02 AM

My explanation is a buildup of lactate in the blood stream. This gives you acidosis, which is blood that is too acidic and I think that the affinity of oxygen for hemoglobin is negatively affected. Hence, oxygen delivery too your muscles is compromised. Also, you fell like sh*t. After a while, your blood chemistry normalizes and you can return to something like normal performance. This is distinct from bonk (need glucose) or heat stroke (too hot) where the affects may be irreversible in the short term.

Marc Bertucco

Jul 28, 2013 at 03:08 AM

I think Stokes is on point...the clue here is when you said "being a little sick in my mouth" and then being able to recover enough to TT home.

Jul 28, 2013 at 02:11 PM

thanks guys. it was definitely a learning experience. perversely enough i am keen to do another long road race soon so that i can see if there is a trend. it's not something i experienced at RVM, battenkill, or on any long/hard group ride before, so i am hoping it's an outlier. like jules said, a bad day on the bike perhaps mixed in with something else.

my first DFL all season. wonderful. shows how out of it i was that i had no idea where i was in the field. i had another moment of ditziness when i went to claim my wheels after the race. i searched everywhere for them and was getting really angry that they'd been lost; i was about to start harassing an official for their mistake when i remembered i didn't put them in the van in the first place (it was full). at that point i knew it was it was time to go home.

Adam

Jul 28, 2013 at 07:35 PM

Occam's Razor here I think.

Mark-Well done on completing the race. A DFL is order's of magnitude better than DNF. Wouldn't over think the problems. This race is massive (80 miles in total). You got to 50 and that was it. Have you EVER done a 50 mile road race before? If so, were there any hills?

Point I'm making is that there is probably a bit of a disconnect between racing on a diet of Floyd and Prospect, then hitting up an 80 mile out-of-towner with climbing and wondering why after 2 hours you imploded. This is nothing personal, just food for thought for NYC racers who can perform for 75 minutes in the park and then find that longer distances, which are not flat, are a different beast.

twoyacks

Jul 28, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Those NYC flat landers should hit the triangle ride more often....bunch of fancy lads!

Jul 29, 2013 at 01:10 AM

i am both laughing at and agreeing with your statement, yacks.

https://www.bikereg.com/Net/19139

Aug 29, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Anyone interested in doing the fall version?

I think I still have some more road racing in my legs for this season.

Aug 29, 2013 at 12:53 AM

What's a road race?

Adam

Aug 29, 2013 at 01:42 PM

Would consider it if you're offering a ride Jeff.

Aug 29, 2013 at 02:04 PM

@adam I can definitely offer a ride from Bkln or there abouts. Where can you meet me?

Adam

Aug 31, 2013 at 07:51 PM

Brooklyn would work. What field you in nowadays?

Sep 02, 2013 at 03:29 PM

Cat 3. I'm thinking of doing the 3/4 race.

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Sep 08, 2013 at 03:01 AM

Our podium today.

dstokes

Sep 08, 2013 at 03:09 AM

Ill be sorry to near whatever story accompanies that picture. Hope it doesn't hurt too much. get better!

Sep 08, 2013 at 04:39 AM

2nd lap after the final climb on the fastest descent of the course. I hit a pot hole and dramatically flat. I moved to the right as best i could and tried to slow down but we were going too fast. I go over the handlebars and land on my left side. Broken clavicle and five broken ribs. Frame looks okay but my Zipps are pretty messed up (yes Yaks they and possibly my shifters. New orange helmet also cracked a bit, so that was short lived. Pain killers working well now but tomorrow is going to be bad they tell me. An abundance of thanks to Adam who was so incredibly helpful throughout. I'm not sure what I would have done without him. I owe you big, mate. Also thanks to those who helped get my wife in touch with Adam and keeping her apprised of the situation, including team physician Dr. Lisa Roazen. I guess this is a good a time as any to end my road season.

Sep 08, 2013 at 04:49 AM

Ouch. Feel better soon... Hate to read this