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And its possibly about to get weird:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/health/gut-bacteria-from-thin-humans-can-slim-mice-down.html?src=me&ref=general


Chia seed Kombucha. I'm tellin' ya'll.
Jules said:
@Jules - I heartily disagree. As an ardent believer in the theory of evolution, the chances seem vanishingly small that there wasn't intense selection pressure from our species's diet over the eons of pre-agricultural evolution. And the chances seem nearly as small that we have somehow eradicated those adaptations from our genomes in the last few millenia.
You're off your tree.  Even Darwin's finches were showing massive beak change in just a couple of generations.  As for the pressure itself, it's just too big a leap to understand what was optimized.  

The strongest arguments I've seen are that rapid adipose energy storage & retrieval are the shinizzle, evolutionarilly speaking, not watts/kg.
Jules,

Get back on the tree with Whitey.  In terms of the punctuated equilibrium theory of evolution, we haven't see the kind of massive die-offs that would result in evolutionary changes.  And when things like plagues and wars came in recorded history, we neither had the massive die-offs that a single male with a mutation could change humankind, nor do we have the culture that such polygamy would be permissable. 

Yes, there ahve been mutations.  They've been happening all along.  That they would have affected the entire human race, or even a major branch of it seems highly unlikely.  Perhaps it happened to a small isolated tribe somewhere, but that's about it.
Also, isn't beek shape kind of like hair color or freckles? I'm thinking it's a pretty isolated trait. 
Hmmm


http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/myths-surround-breakfast-and-weight/?partner=rss&emc=rss
I think the real question here is how much one eats the previous night or how hungry one is in the morning.
I don't know where I read this but spending over 12 hours without ingesting any nutrients can often promote a healthy diet.
Personally, I find that when I do eat a lot at night- I just have a coffee in the morning and often don't eat until 10 or 11am.
Here is a little tidbit from a HuffPo article that Stearnsy commented on. I found this to be the funniest part of the article about Whole Foods.

The first thing I see is the great wall of kombucha -- 42 different kinds of rotten tea. Fun fact: the word kombucha is Japanese for 'I gizzed in your tea.' Anyone who's ever swallowed the glob of mucus at the end of the bottle knows exactly what I'm talking about.
Kombucha is delicious. Whitey agrees with me.
the ultimate worst texture is kombucha with chia seeds. sparkling boogerwater.
the ultimate worst texture is kombucha with chia seeds. sparkling boogerwater.
It's an acquired taste. I didn't like it the first time because the texture is indeed a shock. But then when I read about all the benefits of chia seeds (Omega 3's, fiber, minerals, filling you up between meals) I tried them again and ended up finding them quite satisfying. The grape one particularly is fantastic.
This thread reminds me of a laughing fit I had years ago thanks to this review site:

http://www.noapologiespress.com/presents/asiandrink/

Please be warned, there is nothing politically correct and definitely some NSF language therein... of course, gems like this abound:

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@Jules- Must be saucy.  It's blocked from access at work.
Same here, what is this smut you are trying to show us???
Kimchi, non-korean bros, kimchi will cure all that ails you.
one of my favorite things about NYC is the quality kimchi.  the two places i've lived have both had cornerstores selling amazing, small-batch kimchi.  back home in massachusetts, the only kimchi you get is mass-produced awfulness that is super expensive and tastes like sauerkraut.  and it's vegetarian!  don't these people know that real kimchi simply must have dessicated shrimp and delicious fish sauce in it? cmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn.
I personally don't like it but the reaaaally funky stuff is with oysters.  I love oysters and I love kimchi, and i even love eating oysters with kimchi, but ferment them together in a jar and gross out city.
Keeping the kimchi thread going here...my friend Lauryn Chun the force behind MILKimchi makes it with lots of crustaceans (shrimp paste and dried oysters), and it is arguably the best kimchi out there currently. You can get it at Whole Foods and many other natural foods or high quality food retailers.  
Oh and kombucha is GROSS!
Dan, oysters are not crustaceans. I am highly allergic to crustaceans but can eat my weight in oysters. I'll have to find out if she makes some without the shrimp. The big kimchi maker in my house is a vegetarian and I feel now that I've been missing out (though homemade is always the shit). A big forkful on top of a couple eggs for breakfast starts me right.
Oh and kombucha is GROSS!
Perhaps you are just not enlightened enough to appreciate it, Dan.

Namaste.

There should be a discussion thread called 'gaining weight', I'm having a hard time putting on the weight and keeping it on! I NEED FAT DAMN IT! ...time to hit the gym hombres.
alyoshas said:
There should be a discussion thread called 'gaining weight', I'm having a hard time putting on the weight and keeping it on! I NEED FAT DAMN IT! ...time to hit the gym hombres.
Have you tried carbo loading with waffles? ;-)
alyoshas said:
There should be a discussion thread called 'gaining weight', I'm having a hard time putting on the weight and keeping it on! I NEED FAT DAMN IT! ...time to hit the gym hombres.
There are two possible Simpsons reference ways to reply to this:

1. Homer sees a sign for the gym and wonders outloud, pronouncing the word 'gym' incorrectly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghxO90gtkm4

2. Homer wants to become morbidly obese in order to gain worker's comp and work from home.  He consults Dr. Nick on how to become morbidly obese quickly.
http://download.lardlad.com/sounds/season7/kingsize3.mp3


Or you can come on my Food Ride that I plan to resurrect sometime this Autumn.
yes to food ride and the waffles will be money in the bank no doubt! hah...screw climbing anyway. 20minutes up bear mountain doesn't require you to be contador's weight!
@alyosha - while I'm more than happy to share my eating habits, I'm not quite sure the team would be happy if I actively and openly encouraged a climber of your caliber to gain ANY amount of weight. I'd like to remain part of the Stonecutters (aka No Homers Club). So...uh...bad Alyosha! Don't eat delicious pastries from Dessert Club on 10th between 2nd and 3rd! Don't enjoy the flaky croissant goodness at Patisserie Claude on west 4th! Stay away from the many seasonal pies from 4 and Twenty Blackbirds in Gowanus!
what caliber you speak of? it's bullocks...miam miam miam miam miam miam. I've heard of patisserie claude in the past, ill have to check it out. i'm a fan of kayser in terms of vienoiseries and such. we should totally go for a a foodtastic ride through the city at some point!
Mmmm...donuts..
I made this yesterday - 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgcaCYdpOys&feature=player_detailpage#t=15


Meals like this will 100% help me drop 10lbs by December. 
OM-NOM!
Dan, oysters are not crustaceans. I am highly allergic to crustaceans but can eat my weight in oysters. I'll have to find out if she makes some without the shrimp. The big kimchi maker in my house is a vegetarian and I feel now that I've been missing out (though homemade is always the shit). A big forkful on top of a couple eggs for breakfast starts me right.
if it is umami you seek in your vegetarian kimchi, then consider these ingredients as substitutes for the shramp
Thanks Brendan, nice list. Most of those are in the house and get used for other things. Not sure how they would fare in kimchi though the dried mushrooms and carraway seeds are intriguing.
I am officially heavier than I've ever been and stronger.  Go figure.  Gonna go have an extra bowl of cereal now.
The time has come for me to make an actual contribution to this thread.  Well, not really.  I have no idea if this will help you lose weight.  But I am not obese and I eat it nearly every morning with lots of whole milk yogurt.

GRANOLA RECIPE! Sorry that measurements are in weight units; it's easier to pour containers into a bowl on a scale and hit 'tare' than it is to use several little cups and dip them into containers of ingredients.

Oven: 300F.  Total bake time:  until crispy but not burned, ~50 minutes.  Will need to flip the granola with a spatula (and in so doing, fling it all over the stovetop).

Wet ingredients: 
  • 6 oz raisins (Larger is better, less likely to burn. Hydrating in wet ingredients will make them less likely to burn. honestly, I omit them.)
  • 1.5 oz brown sugar (Light or dark, but don't make the same mistake Anakin did)
  • 1.5 oz honey or maple syrup
  • 2.5 oz oil
  • 5.5 oz H2O (If you are unsure of what this is, PM Mr. Stokes)
Dry ingredients:
  • 12 oz oats (rolled, not quick cooking)
  • 2.5 oz wheat germ
  • 2 oz ground flax seed
  • 2 oz almond meal (optional)
  • 9 oz nuts (raw, unsalted; you will be salting and cooking them. I do almonds & cashews)
  • 5 oz seeds (raw, unsalted; you will be salting and cooking them. I do sunflower)
  • ~.15 oz salt
  • .25 oz cinnamon powder
Procedure:

  1. Put dry ingredients in bowl, mixing festively.  
  2. Put wet ingredients in separate bowl, beating abusively until subdued and wholly mixed.  
  3. Pour wet onto dry.  Mix, integrating with all deliberate speed.  
  4. Clump tenderly with hands, transfer lovingly onto greased baking sheet (or silpat). 
  5. Bake ~30 mins @ 300, then flip the granola using a spatula.  
  6. ~20 mins more or until visibly browned but not burned.  
  7. Continue process of checking every ~20 mins and flipping/rotating until all clumps and chunks do not feel damp but are not burned.
Pro tip: If you experience deep brown (approaching burned!) chunks before all chunks feel dry, sob briefly and sincerely.  When you have recovered, turn the oven off and leave the door slightly ajar so that heat escapes but air inside is still hot (or try putting the oven on ~170-200).  Check yourself, and the granola, every ten minutes or so until it is done.

Variations: Paula Deen edition.  Substitute butter for all ingredients listed above.  Omit baking.  Spoon into mouth on strip of bacon.