Full fat Fage yogurt with the same protein/honey components are my regular stand-in for ice cream.

On chamois cream -I love Assos, and although I think the danger of parabens are probably overstated, I gave Chamois Butt'r a shot and it feels right. 

So good to have high-quality stuff on both ends!

Speaking of diet books/philosophies in general, Lyle says:

"Whether it’s insulin, dietary fat, the protein:carbohydrate or insulin:glucagon ratio, partitioning or whatever other bullshit, they will make it sound like caloric intake is not the key aspect in whether or not someone gains weight.

Got home, cooked up the Halibut hastily marinated in a tarragon/orange/coconut oil concoction, seared it, roasted it keeping it topped-off with marinade and a little butter. Steamed some kale. Sliced an avocado. Supped.

I joke not that the bites of tender fish and creamy avocado together tasted like a mighty delicious, savory donut. I am talking pronounced donut flavor. 

this reminds me of the amazing descriptions of food items by andy zalstman of The Bugle.  most of that podcast is devoted to terrible jokes not worth hearing or repeating.  but the satirical food menus are lovely

Happy hunting

@Scott - I agree with a whole mess of what you've said. Lunch emphasis, insulin consideration, week-based systems, opportunistic fasting, only indulging in indulgent foods. Small quibble with eating breakfast before working out, depending on the workout. Again, small quibble.

I'll bet your system works quite well for weight loss/management. But as my buddy (and our teammate!) Jules often says, pretty much any restrictive diet tends to lead to weight loss. The "no-white-or-brown-food" diet will lead to weight loss, and probably can be construed to be quite healthy.

My own view on the matter is that the kind of diet you laid out is a pretty darn good one. You're satisfying your caloric needs, you're shitting right, and you won't catch the scurvy. But crucially, you're doing all these things without manipulating your blood chemistry in such a way that you experience swings in your "sensations" that trigger harmful eating impulses. (Which I'm sure your lovely wife/control group can confirm!)

As a guy who has lost a fuck-ton of weight and still struggles to burn it all the way down to the nub, it's my experience that it's the sugar, flour, and other processed ingredients that make food work like drugs. My own experience jibes with some of the stuff I've read (Taubes, Pollen, Cordain, et al): that meat and dairy are uniquely high-quality nutrition sources that incur maximal satiety while inducing little subsequent hunger reaction. Not to mention the theoretically beneficial microfauna that typically come from dairy products such as yogurt and kefir. So I'm not sure that these are the most beneficial things to restrict, in pure nutritional terms.

I look forward to Norm getting in on this discussion. And I look forward to riding with Scott in person!

Spam however does not have nutritional information as the composition of circus animals they use changes depending on the batch. So I can't really say on that one; for me its a toss up whether scrapple or spam is better... 

Jeff, agree with the points. I like eating more fruit, veg and legumes etc for calories that meat I suppose; also high quality meats are pretty expensive (non industrial farmed stuff). But I hear you- the people that you list are all paleo advocates and both being vegan or paleo can be severely abused; vegan eating processed and junk food and paleo eating lots of low quality meat. At the end of the day humans is that we can eat a ton of different food and thrive, so different things can work. I am glad you put Pollin in there as well, good reads, and his advice "Eat Food. Not too Much. Mostly Plants". Forks over Knives is also pretty good. I too used to be a fat kid and have always struggles with it; though you wouldn't know now. 

Suffice it to say, Adam, that you've been owned.

I am not overly sure how you were going to chide me for my comment, the part about reducing intake of crappy foods or that protein is not bad for you?

If it were about the protein content of chicken/beef being 30-40% by mass, please, expaciate.  I'm keen to hear it.

Some of the above posts seem to be mashing together concepts of protein bioavailability, essential vs. non essential amino acids and calorie intake from protein as a fraction of total.  I found a nice (peer reviewed and well referenced) review on this which is very explanatory in this regard.  For those of you who are unfamiliar with the concept of a review, it is written by an "expert" (take that with a pinch of salt) on any given subject.  Reviews almost exclusively do not contain any original research but are a synopsis of current understanding in that particular field.  They are best used to direct you to actual research which use the scientific process to address a specific hypothesis.  Their further benefit is to compile many studies to draw an overriding conclusion.  A word of warning though; reviews should and often do cite very broad sets of research.  However, what research is included in the discussion and what conclusions are drawn are purely the subjective choice of the authors.  Of course, this is supposedly tempered somewhat by the peer review process, but you get what I mean.  In any case, I thought the attached review on protein was very good.  Easy to understand and focusing on some good questions.

Also, Jeff, will be about in Brooklyn later tonight (not my choice, always seem to end up in Williamsburg???) if you are around for beer.  In fact, invitation open to all.  Owens!!!!!!!

1. eat the donut while you ride.  

2. ride with JP.

3. give him a donut.

4. he'll ride fast.

5. keep up.

6. you'll lose weight.

OR

7. you eat the doughnut, he bonks and you win.