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White Plains Downtown Criterium

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I know this is a long way off, but another crit in the NYC metro area is worth supporting in my book. If we could make Orchard Beach and this one stick, that would more than make up for the loss of Tour de Parc. Plus, it's a great sub for day 2 of Nittany CX.

Course description: "Classic four corner, .5 mile criterium course closed to all traffic. Same course as 1988 U.S. National Criterium Championships and 2007 Empire State Games." (JP, you rode both, right?)

https://www.bikereg.com/Net/16353
I saw this one the other day. Looks good. I'm penciling this one in.


Also tentatively in.
Sadly I will not be able to join you for this. I am getting married the day before. I doubt I am going to make it for a 9AM race the next day.
Weak, Reiners.  Weak.
Heck I am still trying to figure out how to do a CX race in the morning of my wedding. Unfortunatly the drive from Nittany to VT is too far to make it for the ceremony in time.
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Heck I am still trying to figure out how to do a CX race in the morning of my wedding. Unfortunatly the drive from Nittany to VT is too far to make it for the ceremony in time.
What, no CX in New England ? 
Heck I am still trying to figure out how to do a CX race in the morning of my wedding. Unfortunatly the drive from Nittany to VT is too far to make it for the ceremony in time. 
What, no CX in New England ? 

What, you're not getting married in a CX race?
Sadly she's said I cannot wear a muddy skinsuit to the wedding, so no CX race for the wedding. 
Can someone rename this the Dan thread ? 

I did hear Dan is having beer handups at the wedding. Or was it champagne ? 
did I kill it ? 

On topic - a crit in White Plains sounds awesome. There are plenty of riders up there but not much racing. I have also heard rumors of a crit in Fort Lee in Sept - it may be quite the month for racing!
BUMP

I think I'll still have some sprint form left in the tank for this before shutting her down for the season.
Are people taking the train up or driving?
I'm planning to do this one. 
I'm registering for the 3/4 race and planning to drive up in the morning. I believe Vlad may be taking a spot in my car, but I should have space for another person and bike if anyone needs it. I won't be staying for the Pro 1/2/3 race though.
I'm relatively close to white plains, so I'm planning on riding up.
@Jeff Condon
Would love to hitch a ride, though I might ride masters - is there time for that? Call me and let me know any details
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Reg'd for 3/4. No reason to think I can't place/win this race.
For those who want to ride from Harlem, I think I'll be riding out of here around 9:20am, heading for The Bronx, then Van Cortlandt Park to pick up the trail that runs north, take that to elmsford, hang a right and get there.

I'm registered for the i/ii/iii.  Anyone joining me?  Vlad?
I'll be there with you JP, unless somehow 68 people reg before me tomorrow morning.
Fast race. Mattie got 8th in the 3/4. I finished in the pack around 25th. Had decent position for most of the race but lost it in the last lap (when it counts). Need to work on that. Really well run race and great course. Definitly recommend it, good fun.
Did you see the results board? I had to split before it was posted. Fun, fast race. No crashes, the wide corners kept it from being too squirrely. The little rises helped eject the out of form riders. I slightly feathered my brakes coming into the turn 4 final corner sprint, otherwise I probably could have picked up a spot or 3. Would race again, perfect weather.
Yeah I saw the results board before I left. Also found out that a third of the starting pack dropped out.

JP / Vlad how was the 1,2,3 race?

Jason, Masters?


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Ugh. I agree with the all above - especially the part about the rises, no room to rest on that course. Masters was fast, near to single file and I got spit out the back during the initial weeding-out, about 15 minutes in. Oh I Should have paid more attention in August! 

Great race, they said they would hold it again next year and more Kissenas should attend. This takes the place of Tour de Parc - a good, easy to get to 'just outside of town' race - tougher, but fast & fun. 

JP and Vlad seemed to have survived the initial weeding out and were riding well but I could't stay.
I was really looking forward to this race.  While the short laps aren't quite to my liking, it's technical enough that skills make a difference, and hilly enough that fitness does as well.  Good for breakaways; lapping the course seems possible, but a break can linger 5-10 seconds ahead for laps on end because with four turns in a half-mile, it's hard for the field to make a concerted chase unless they're really motivated.  

Friday, the kids were sick.  Yesterday, I was feeling it.  Today, no fever but something was definitely off.  Sore throat, runny nose (stay off the claritin-D), aching back, would have been nice to go back to sleep, but that wasn't in the cards, so an easy roll to the race would hopefully turn me around.  Didn't.  

Vlad and I lined up.  fifty-some-odd starters. 68 laps. Among the likely finishers, it was hard to see any team with more than two riders.  One was AXA/Stan's, with John Loehner and Karl Rahn.  Neither was going to be too spunky; they had just finished the masters race.

We start.  Quickly Eneas Freyre, an ex-Kissena whose m.o. is attack as much as possible to get a break for as long as possible, gets off the front.  He's the kind of guy who could lap the field if the field issn't paying attention and he's on a good day.  Kind of wanted to be up there, but he went too early.  A few times on his possibly 15-20-lap break, I tried rolling off the front to see if I could get a gap and possibly bring a group up to him.  While the field was strung out, gaps were opening, and the weak were getting shelled, my moves weren't strong enough and the field was paying just enough attention.

Eneas came back.  more attacks, but nobody is totally committed nor is the field going to let them get away easily.  

With a little over 20 to go, a move of four gets away.  I'm not in position when it goes, so I let the gap grow a bit hoping I can cross.  I attack up the finishing rise on the left just after Zack Koop goes right.  He went first, and I was chasing.  Made up ground through corners 1,2, and 3, down to about a second or two, and I figured I could catch him between 3 and 4.  Maybe it was the wind,maybe it was the legs, but I couldn't close between 3 and 4 and can't close on the hill.  I stay maybe three seconds behind him for what seemed to be several laps, then I'm joined by a spanish guy, and then by a few others, but they're not really going for it.  Koop comes back.  The break is down to three.  I'm thinking I want to go between 3 and 4 either between three to go and two to go, or two and one, but when I'm ready, there's no space.  On the bell lap, there's a crash coming out of turn four, a few riders ahead of me.  I slam on the brakes, skid into a loading zone while skidding my rear wheel into the curb.  Stay up,wheel is fine, and the race is gone.  Don't know what happened other than the break stayed away, probably only by a little.

Never saw Vlad the whole race.  Post-race, he said, and I hope I'm getting it right, that he lacked the confidence to go to the front and dive for the corners, so he stayed back and tried to better learn how to take them fast.  

BTW, rode the Empire State Games on this course, not the 1988 nationals.  In 1988, local boy Mike McCarthy got third in a three-up break with mtb'er John Tomac winning.
Yo dudes.

This was a good one. One of the best crits I've raced all year and one for the calendar. This one was more urban-y when compared to Harlem, Binghampton, etc.. It featured mostly wide roads varying from business/industry backdrops to townie chic shoppy. Very spectator friendly. All of this in a 0.5 mile four turn loop!

That's right. 0.5 miles! Right turns too! WTF?! My head is still spinning.

There's something about red-lining and seeing a lap card that read 63 that fucked with my head in a whole new way (and that's saying a lot because bike racing has been fucking with my head quite a bit this year).

I lined up with JP. Field was about 50ish deep. I settled in and tail gunned the whole race. Chris Loehner told me to be patient so I hung out. That wasn't easy because surges were brutal and I had to dig really deep to stay with it.

JP was up front and riding strong most of the race. At points we drifted close to each other in the middle. Nearing the end, with fewer than 10 to go, the field thinned out significantly and I was ready to make a move, as was JP I think, but things didn't work out the way we wanted. There was a pretty crazy crash coming out of turn 3 on the last lap that slowed things down a bit for me, but I finished with the field towards the back. JP was up a bit further but out of the money.

We did 68 laps. That's 272 turns. We averaged 26.5 miles for the 1:19 it took to do them in. There were a couple of rises that kept people honest and made things interesting. This played out like a clinic. While not extremely taxing, this was a technical race in that it required sharp focus and great fitness to accelerate and turn so quickly and so often. This race created the spikiest power chart I've ever made. It was almost too fast for my Garmin (note the poor satellite tracking and compound lap data). Moving up was pretty hard on a course this short, especially early on when people still had their strength.

Awesome race. Highly recommended.
My garmin was having issues, too!  I wonder if it was the buildings. Sometimes, I'd get a lap on the line, sometimes several meters before it, sometimes not at all.

Looking at pictures, it seems that the break was just about caught, reshuffled, and in the final few laps Eneas attacked solo to win.

Here are SKN's images
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.430477286988602.92847.216689561700710&type=1
mugwump said:
Never saw Vlad the whole race.  Post-race, he said, and I hope I'm getting it right, that he lacked the confidence to go to the front and dive for the corners, so he stayed back and tried to better learn how to take them fast.

That's exactly right. I'm still learning to how to race, and at this level, I'm just not skilled enough to mix it up on the front in a race like this. I'll take the shots when I get them, but I won't do so when I feel like it's dangerous. I'll get there. In the meantime, I'm really happy to be here and be able to compete in a field and race as awesome as this.
perhaps best photo of the bunch

edited this thread title to represent the new info and date

Eric and I chatted with the promoter today. He tricked us into talking by having boxes of Captain Lawrence stacked up on his table. Sadly, they weren't giving any away! They will have free beer for racers after the races at some bar. 

Here are the race details:

https://www.bikereg.com/Net/18566

I'll be there for the 123 race. 
I'll probably do the 40+