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Looks like I can't make it to Providence this weekend after all.  I'm happy to transfer the registration for a one-time fee of zero (0) dollars.  Any takers?  

Currently registered Cat4/5 men both days - but none of the categories have closed, so I'm guessing any category would be fine.

A former Chicagoland teammate of mine and I have a funny pattern of emails during cross season that goes something like this:

Me: Dude, you have to come out here for Holy Week, New England CX ROCKS!
Him: Cross sucks here. Biggest joke in the country.

Try and watch just 2 minutes of this cat 3 CX race footage and then be thankful that life kerplunked you here in this region of the country. I love Chicago for so many things, including great crit racing...but dear lord we have it good out here during cross season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvPVHohMeGo&feature=youtu.be
Lots of people riding around on a field together?

one thing Chicago has going for it is lots of races really close to the city. I think you can race upwards of 20 times within an hour of Chicago proper. 
oh my, those cables

What kills me is that I did some epic cross races on Sunday mornings on Chicago's lakefront. One race in particular, Lake Michigan waves were literally crashing ON TOP of me as I motored down a straightaway. Afterwords, I cleaned up, went home, ate some deep dish and watched the Bears on TV. That was a good day.
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The only thing to be scared of is missing a handup
@Gwynna: My memory of Marty 'cross does not include an uphill start. As I recall, there is a forest of old telephone poles to one side of the course, where we were staged for the start. This lead onto course proper which wound around for quite a while before coming to the muddy turn at the bottom of a steep run-up. So while there are hills that will suck your will to live, you will have a chance to get your heart rate up before you get there. 

Of course if folks are warming up properly, they should be good to go and praying for a difficult start so they can blow by all those who did "the fake warm-up" (i.e. rolling around easy in the parking lot discussing the great deal you got on brake pads with your friends).

Big races like Gloucester and Providence generally have the CycleOps trainers set up underneath a tent so that you can both properly warm-up and not miss your call up.
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I actually just picked up a cross bike while on tour, and as I was eyeing the calendar, I noticed that I will be back just in time for the clubs super cross race. Was thinking about making my first race, the last race of the season. Ha. Is this a terrible idea? Cross looks like a ton of fun, and I was thinking its time I get my feet wet now that I have a bike. Besides the working on mounts and dismounts, what other training should I be doing to get myself ready for a cross race?
I suggest the following training regimen:

Monday: this is the day for recovery so put your feet up, watch youtube of epic CX races in Euroland.  Try in vain to get officemates to appreciate the sport.
Tuesday: intervals.  Grab a guitar case and a 50 of cheap beer; head to the bottom of a crowded set of esclators and try to run up the down escalator as fast as you can with the case, drinking everytime you get kicked in the shin.  Four sets, on the last set keep running when you get to the top because the cops are likely on their way.
Wednesday: recovery again, ice your shins and duct tape the guitar case.  Chocolate ice cream is a good pain reliever.  Apply liberally.
Thursday: technique day.  Take your CX bike to the park and gather as much foliage as you can carry.  Stuff the twigs & leaves into your shorts, shoes and the inside front (not back) of your jersey.  Now ride AS HARD AS YOU F-ING CAN from one side of the park to the other and back in a straight line; no roads.  Do this thrice.  Fourth time do it running with your bike under your arm.
Saturday & Sunday are for juggling with bowling pins, drinking a pint every five minutes.  Don't worry about the bruising, because come race day the mud & beer suds will obscure it.
Aly did Supercross as his first cx race last year, on a borrowed bike and carbon soled road shoes no less. Come on out, you will have a blast.
I actually just picked up a cross bike while on tour, and as I was eyeing the calendar, I noticed that I will be back just in time for the clubs super cross race. Was thinking about making my first race, the last race of the season. Ha. Is this a terrible idea? Cross looks like a ton of fun, and I was thinking its time I get my feet wet now that I have a bike. Besides the working on mounts and dismounts, what other training should I be doing to get myself ready for a cross race?

From the Morning Training Thread about CX training:

Well, if you've read my advice about training for CX, I'd switch over to that training to get ready - Standing starts (1 min from foot on ground), 30s/30s, 10s/20s.

You can do all of them in a session, but you'll be wasted if you do enough of them. I'd focus on starts on Tuesday, and then a mix of the other intervals on Thursday.

Wednesday becomes an endurance or recovery day. Start off with 6-8 starts and for the other intervals, use 6-8 as a guide as well. You can always do more sets as you get used to them. I'd get used to the harder efforts for a week or two and then move into a mode where you add in a day of TT efforts and take away the intervals. Lots of rest and one day of hard stuff. Just generalized, but still it should help.

A sample week of build:

Tues - short intervals

Wed - TT efforts

Thurs - easy

Friday - Easy

Sat - Race

Sun - Endurance ride or group ride

Mon - Easy

Tues - Repeat...



Ride and Race on the Weekends.

hey rick - can you contact me about setting up for whirlybird?? send me an e-mail with contact info so we can talk -  DSanossian@yahoo.com
Who has two thumbs and would rather be CXing?  This guy :(
Holy Week: or How I learned to stop worrying and love the Cyclocross.

So this is a post on my general impressions of Holy Week; the two weekends of back to back CX racing: Gloucester and then Providence.

Family Men (and Women) listen hard.

Racing is tough to wrangle with a family; lots of early mornings, and out of town road races are a pain; crowded nervous staging areas, uncertain feed zone timing and access, then a finish where your loved ones (mostly) have no idea what group you'll be in, let alone what to expect as a good/bad/indifferent result.  Then you climb in your car and stare dazed at your feet for three hours while you try and recover from a 2+ hour effort.

Cross is the opposite; an all-access race where your loved ones can cheer for you all over the course or play in the infield and cheer/cowbell random racers while watching people fall in the mud.

Gloucester is the first race of the Holy Week; an insanely picturesque seaside town with a fantastic PLAYGROUND in the middle of the course.  The playground is good for all kid ages with jungle gyms, a pirate ship, slide, a lighthouse to explore, wood chip surface, swings and of course picnic benches.  All within 20 yards of the indoor bathrooms and all in the MIDDLE of one of the most awesome cross venues I've ever seen.

We all agreed (family and racers alike) that this was the most awesomest CX race ever.  Eloy was not exaggerating when he rated it 11 out of 10 on the awesome scale.

Until Providence.

Now I'm not going to ask you to pretend (or believe) that I'm unbiased and that the venue of MY GREATEST RACE EXPLOIT EVER is truly the best course ever; so you can ask Patrick, Joaquin or Marc.  Or my wife, or my KIDS who got even better than a playground.

Providence is set in a park in the heart of town, but it's a Prospect scale Park, ie: HUGE.  It has a Zoo, an indoor carousel, train rides, a pirate ship ride, a freaking HORSE FARM WITH RIDES as well as the usual amenities like, oh, I don't know WOOD FIRED OVEN PIZZA ON THE RACEGROUNDS or perhaps the Vegan truck that carried everything from soft serve to some kind of mushroom sandwich thing (Herbed goat cheese balsamic mushroom hash - yeah, I know - it isn't *all* vegan) that Lisa is still talking about, or the fact that they have a Team Tent row (with power) on the grassy section right after the hole shot.

They had singlespeed races the day before, the CX madison, Myerson ran a clinic ON THE RACECOURSE the day before... and they have a fondo on Sunday, and a women's clinic on the Friday, and a kids course with TAPE AND EVERYTHING... and a (shudder) bouncy castle obstacle course... and they had a Trials demo twice a day with some dude doing impossible things on a bike with no seat...

And we were all (mostly) able to stay within an 8 minute soft-pedal to the race course.

Of course, last but definitely NOT least; you can watch a very serious deep field of pros hammer the ever-loving shit out of one another.  With the mens & women's field combined there were probably close to 10 current or former national champions each day.

And it's only a 3 hour drive from New York.  Closer than Battenkill.

Oh, and they had some kind of indy-fabriactors Ball on the Friday night.

I know the labor day holiday is the traditional thing, but next year we're really going to try and make this our holiday week; bookend with races, maybe even do Night Weasals Cometh on the Wed night...

I cannot recommend this weekend of racing enough for the families or for the serious crossers.

Next year we're going to try and make a week of it; perhaps with Night Weasels on the Wed night in the middle.

In closing, if you regularly find yourself driving 3 hours to do road races, you are NUTSO CRAZYTOWN CLOWNSHOES if you don't do one or both of these races.

Fantastic Race Course
Watch deep pro fields (men and women)
Amazing Amenities
Family Friendly
Awesome Expos
Clinics at/on the racecourse
(podium girls!)
Close to all the amenities - food, CVS, etc.
Don't just take my word for it...

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/10/video/behind-the-barriers-directors-cut-fail-safe-custom-gear_305293
Take a look... always interesting. 

Jules moves up over 1000 places! 


Love this post.  Think I'm gonna print it and hang it over the mirror :P
I've got room for whirlybird Saturday and am staying in a local hotel Friday night if someone wants to drive down to Bensalem together. Note that I registered for both the 4/5 race at 9 and the 2/3/4 race at 1:15 so I won't be leaving the race until that afternoon.

Email me directly: livetoridebikes@gmail.com
(reloads page, checks Cyclocross thread... no Hotlist... slams laptop shut again, heads out in search of scotch...)
mperlberg said:
Take a look... always interesting. 

Jules moves up over 1000 places! 


Shit just got real.  Time to reglue the tires.

mugwump said:
mperlberg said:
Take a look... always interesting. 

Jules moves up over 1000 places! 


Shit just got real.  Time to reglue the tires.
Yes it did. Are you going to let a couple of Cat 4 "almost-rookies" overtake you in the standings? That's not the "Jb" I know.


The Hotlist: Episode Three

Are you ready? Can you handle a weekend of adventures that had more dramatic swings that had the crossers of KCC alternating between extreme runs of nausea AND euphoria within seconds, minutes and hours of each other? Six Flags ain’t got the imagination to create a ’coaster that could even come close to replicating what we went through this weekend. Epic podiums up and down the Eastern Seaboard (at least the part of it that counts in cross), stolen/returned bikes, emergency room visits and busted up faces.

 

If Hotlist were lazy and still in the fourth grade, he’d publish this week’s report with all kinds of ties due to all the crazy podium swapping performances, but since he’s not so much into “share-sies” (or dotting his i’s with hearts and flowers) at the top of his list, Hotlist has to go a little deeper, poke around with a sharp pointed object he bought from a 97-year-old Army base dentist to get this one right. Time to take a big whiff of happy gas folks, and chill out if your gums start to bleed. Let’s get started.

 

1.     Eric Ragot. Again, really? Is there no stopping this lover of questionably reliable German people movers? In the shadow of “Divine Providence,” Ragot drove south instead to play on the beach, fully on notice that he had to deliver big results at small races if he wants to continue to wear the crown. And deliver he did. In very small field, he nearly pulled off KCC’s second win of the year, but a bobble (someone should tell him to check out our Mentor’s cross clinics, maybe he could work on his skills some more) created a gap he couldn’t close and forced him to settle for second. Still a very good result.


2.     Todd McLoughlin. Again, really? Lest you think that Hotlist is just cut and pasting from week to week, competition for number 2, to rule the kingdom alongside Ragot, was fierce. Fellow Cat 3 crusher, Michael Perlberg came through on Sunday to equal Todd’s third place from Saturday on the same course! But was it equal? Dig a little deeper and we see that Todd’s third place earned him 318 crossresults.com points versus the 343 points Perlberg’s scored for his third place.


3.     Michael Perlberg. With 5 races in his rear view mirror this season, the Prez has already done as many races as he completed ALL LAST SEASON. It’s very likely that were it not for a mechanical on Saturday, dude would own two podium places (and the number two spot on the Hotlist) from the weekend, but he didn’t and that is cross. Still, no sad trombones for this dude. He’s on the podium.


4.     Joaquin De Baca. Two podiums in two days. Against, hands down, the most competitive Cat 4/5 field in the country. His teammate and partner in crime was right there all day long and turned in virtually identical results on the flip-flop. But looking at the numbers (because Hotlist’s secret observer from the sidelines reports that both De Baca and Roazen looked equally strong—albeit different stylistically) Joaquin’s two results are just 1.9 pts stronger than the average of Jules’ finishes.


5.     Jules Roazen. Unlike certain other folks on the Hotlist who are punking out this season racing “One and Done” in the “B-Cup Series,” Roazen has front-loaded his racing calendar with a healthy schedule of “Full-on-Porn-Star” racing in the Verge/Shimano series, and he’s delivered like Ron Jeremy. Out of 4 starts, his worst finish was a 7th place…and that was racing with only his front brake connected.


6.     Patrick Grehan. That’s right you Master’s racing old farts. Another Cat 4 is on top of the heap because the competition he faced was fierce and the competition you faced was…well, Hotlist will get to you later. Back to Grehan. Coming off of a confidence-inspiring win in a local 40+ Cat 4 race the previous week, Patrick was out to prove that he could compete with the big boys. And he did just that. 13th on the first day (earning him 401 crossresults.com points, keep this pointage in the back of your head, doubters of the List) and despite his name getting lost in the official results, Hotlist knows that he earned his 9th  (out of 117 racers) on day two.


7.     William Doyle-Capitman. Coasting into this week, WDC hangs onto the number 7 spot with his strong showing at Town Hall. But if he doesn’t suit up again this weekend, he’s off the list. Because you know what’s NOT HOT? NOT RACING. Also, leaving us for San Francisco definitely not hot. KCC is going to miss that guy.


8.     Jim Feehan. Placing 7th out of positively teeny 18-rider field in the 50+ category earned Feehan an uncharacteristically high 436 points. This makes Hotlist wonder, “What happened?” Hotlist expects more from one of KCC’s most experienced cross racers. Still, Jim is clearly the best 50+ age-grouper on the club and he’s out there racing so for those reasons he holds onto 8th this week.


9.     David Stokes. Has the Stokes Strong Streak come to an end? Racing with Ragot in the 40+ open category at Independence, David placed 21st out of 23 finishers. It’s a tough category to race in, for sure, but David is better than this result. And so Hotlist wonders, maybe the beach run mentally beat the tall man down a notch or two?


10. Dan Strika. Back to his old ways, Dan did the double, racing both the 50+ and 40+ events in single day. His results were less than grand, but you’ve got to be a pretty insane individual to try and race two cross races in a single day. And for this reason alone, Strika strikes gold with the last spot on this week’s Hotlist.

 

Coming up this weekend the only game in town is Whirlybird and Hotlist is pumped and you should be too. You get to watch KCC riders beat up on the competition AND each other in some rare cross-category smack down. Can KCC standout Cat 4s topple our Cat 3s who have owned the Hotlist podium for the past few weeks? McLoughlin (if he's recovered from his encounter with a Klingon Bat'leth and races) and Perlberg vs De Baca and Grehan all in the 2/3/4 race! Battle of the Jims in the 45+: Nelson v Feehan! Can Ragot sneak into the top 10 at a race with more that includes some genuinely scary competition? Will Roazen unload 20 seconds of 900 watt crushitude to grab the Cat 4 hole-shot, take the elusive win, and put an exclamation point on his Cat 3 upgrade request? This is going to be good folks, stay tuned!


PS: Hotlist has no idea why Number 7, WDC's entry is a diff't font...don't read anything into that graphic change...but I'm too busy to try and fix that now.

Anyone know what happened to Maurice Ghammano of Van Dessel? It occurred to me that I haven't seen him racing this year. He's like their third best dude...
Someone mentioned to me that cyclocross in Colorado involves riding around in the dust all season.


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Anyone know what happened to Maurice Ghammano of Van Dessel? It occurred to me that I haven't seen him racing this year. He's like their third best dude...
As the world's second most interesting man, he has many demands on his time.