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There are 1 million good reasons for why the course would be off-limits.expected consequences from expected use is not one of them.

Not only do they have a BS reason for shutting it down, they have no backup plan.

Time to take off the pull-ups and put on some big boy pants.
I agree with the basic premise of both @Jules and @Marc arguments.

USAC needed a backup plan. It is brutally obvious now.

More important, USAC needed to properly educate the town, and find and create opportunities to market the event with the City of Austin.

The fact that the city of Austin was willing to call the police and turn back some of the top athletes in the country, talks volumes about the lack of understanding and pride on the scope and importance of this event. 

We can blame Austin, but ultimately this is USAC doing, with their now typical lazy process and absolute lack of planning.

Being a member of USAC is the only way I can race some events that I love. But I am embarrassed to be a member of this organization. It is not the first time this year.


http://www.austinheritagetreefoundation.com/Tree_Alerts.html
Better late than never, live coverage of CX Nationals can be found here:
http://live.behindthebarriers.tv/2015-nationals

The elite women are on the course now.  Elite men go off at 5:25 PM.


Great watching. So much good stuff. For one, Ex Kissena BrittLee Bowman nabbed 14th in a stacked field.

Seems like Keith was down there snapping pics, and Mysterious Myles was down there, doing, I don't know what, spectating, working, course re-designing? I would like a full report please.
Ex-Kissena Mattio Montesano is doing a survey of the costs of the extra day for people at CX Nationals

read about it here
http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/01/news/cyclocross/commentary-nationals-disaster_358091

See the survey here
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1VTKgGoKOKDwaSWh9Em-3xXCkwTpfXSwDtesH8SnCc4U/viewform

pass it along to those who were at Natz
In case Eloy was wondering what KfC thinks about disc brakes...

"Compton has ridden Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 all season, but in Austin, she paired her Dura-Ace drivetrain with the Shimano R785 hydraulic braking system. Compton's mechanic and husband, Mark Legg-Compton told us, 'The disc [brake] bikes had better mud clearance. The braking wasn't the reason for the switch. After her pre-ride on the canti bike she opted for the disc [bike]. Trek allows the riders to decide what they want to race, and fortunately for us we have both disc and canti options. Overall Katie prefers the canti bikes, as they're lighter, accelerate better and they handle better.'"

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/01/gallery/pro-bike-gallery-katie-comptons-nationals-winning-trek-boone_358154
Thanks for that post. What I wonder most is what drives choice for riders that have both available (only a few can afford to choose)

Breakdown of the Elite top 5 yesterday.

1 Jeremy Powers -- Disc
2 Jonathan Page -- Disc
3 Zach McDonald -- Cantilever
4 Daniel Summerhill -- Disc
5 Dan Timmerman -- Cantilever

1 Katherine Compton -- Disc
2 Kaitlin Antonneau -- Disc
3 Rachel Lloyd -- Disc
4 Georgia Gould -- Disc
5 Crystal Anthony -- Disc

In all likelihood, eventually, if manufacturers push it, all cross bikes will be discs.
Bite your tongue, Eloy. They can have my cantilevers when they pry the levers from my cold dead hands. Je suis canti!

This is an interesting commentary in that Micah Rice realizes that he should be a better communicator and finally gets around to explaining the contingency plans that were in place.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/01/news/cyclocross/commentary-nationals-disaster_358091
"it's a giant fuckup but nothing could have been done better"

Why isn't that clown fired?
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twitter comments from Pete Webber, who I believe designed the course,

https://twitter.com/webber_pete?cn=cmVjb3NfbmV0d29ya19kaWdlc3RfYWI=&refsrc=email
mugwump said:
twitter comments from Pete Webber, who I believe designed the course,

Yes, which is interesting to me because everyone wants to say how great a job "Austin" did at making a nationals course (tree issue notwithstanding), but the fact of the matter is if anything, "Boulder" did a good job of designing the course. Plus, he's the same guy who did last year's nationals course as well. I mean, I'm glad that they are not letting some rookie Cat 4 from Austin design the Nationals course, but it is a little disingenuous to give "Austin" credit for something they actually did not do.

Will Webber be hired for 2016 in Ashville? 2017 in Hartford?

Again, I do appreciate the fact that a pro course designer is making the twists and turns, it does take something away from the uniqueness from year to year of CX nats by having the same course designer, no? I mean, it's necessarily always going to be different because of diff't venues...but still...
Tim Hopkins of NC Grand Prix is doing Asheville course. Last 2 rounds of NC Series being held at Biltmore Nationals course this weekend as dry run. Had planned on going myself and taking GoPro footage of course but my brother bailed on me. 56 degrees forecasted in A4:2?-""2 6+3 Saturday/54 on Sunday.
Above forecast is for Asheville. I neglected to releasse caps key.
I'm watching the rebroadcast of the elite men's race from Austin and see non other than the wild hair and frenetic energy of our own Myles As Jonathan Page's pit guy. Cool

It doesn't get more front row than that
Perhaps I stand corrected on Asheville course design. Just saw tweet from Pete Webber looking for loaner CX bike in NC this weekend. Or maybe he just wants to see course for title defense?
Or maybe he just wants to ride a bike.
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In case you want to be a bit upset for no good reason, for a little while:

Hot Laps turned into Hot Raps with Craig Etheridge 
https://www.facebook.com/Cyclocross/posts/10152959883927092

I've already spent way too much time on Etheridge gate on FB and twitter. But, it's kind of a hoot in a non-offensive way; primarily because he is so clearly wrong on so many levels, and yet supporters of his point of view are equally unrelenting.

One thing I learned in my years as nurse, trying to speak logically to some upset patients and families, is that sometimes, "you just can't talk to or reason with crazy."
Honestly, a lot of what Etheridge is saying resonates with me. Guys race the elites all year long against the top competition then show up at nationals and swipe all the single-speed medals? Super douchy. It's an open race, though, and there's no rule against being an asshole.
@Jeffrey

Please explain. Because I am sure I do not understand. How is it douchy? or being an asshole?

Etheridge is a UCI/Elite level athlete, just like everyone that beat him.


Etheridge's point is that he and the majority of the SS competitors participate in SS events all year round and keep the event going. It's a dick move to race in the Elite field, never show any support for the SS event during the season or do anything to help it thrive, then show up at Nats and take the medals. That behavior doesn't scale, as we say in tech.
So you're calling Katie Compton a dick?

Seriously.

For years, she avoided all UCI racing.  She'd avoid all the UCI races all season, show up at nationals.  Win them.  Then get on the world team.

She did this because she made a priority of paralympic cycling, and the UCI points would disqualify her.  All the same, she didn't support women's racing all CX season, yet no one called her out on it.
I would not call Katie Compton a dick nor do I consider her past UCI race avoidance a dick move considering the circumstances.

But as Eloy and Marc suggested, it's sort of a who-really-cares scenario. Screw the SS dorks. Take the medals. Them's the rules. That's sports.
Isn't that what happens at every nationals? No one got mad when a certain pro raced all season in Europe, returned home and crushed the domestic pro's. 

That's what happens in NZ most of the time and everyone loves it because it shows that the event is taken seriously and it raises awareness with "star athletes" riding. 

Sounds to me like he's being a big baby.
I would not call Katie Compton a dick nor do I consider her past UCI race avoidance a dick move considering the circumstances.

The circumstances for Lindine, etc, in single speed are essentially the same.  They had a priority of UCI races, because that was their job and helped with their goals.  
Thanks @Jeffrey, I agree this wouldn't scale well, but scale is not currently a problem for SSCX.

It is an obvious expectation for a National Championship race to bring better competitors. Justin Lindine, Ian Keugh, and Adam Myerson racing SSCX is showing support and helping the discipline and scene grow. 

This issue may be worth discussing, not because how much SSCX matters, but because it perhaps suggests a gross misunderstanding of what sport means.

Sport absolutely matters.