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Tour de Fort Lee

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That's right, just over the Bridge.  september 30th.  It's a crit.

https://www.bikereg.com/Net/17212
Why is a one-day crit called a "tour"?

Not that that is abnormal - but it always seems odd.
Great. Im interested. 
Nice nice nice

This should be awesome. I totally want to do this. 35+
Just signed up, and looks like I'm the only Kissena for now. 
Right behind you Joe.
I'll be there.

For those who are doing cross this fall, criteriums should be a good form of training.  short race, lots of jumps, a certain amount of bike-handling skills necessary.  If you're not traveling to a cross race on this day, race here.

I'm going to check out the course sometime this week.
i'm looking to do this. The question is, 4/5 or 35+?


35+ Jeff. Give it whirl. I'm sure that you'll like it much better than the 4/5.

You're ready.
We are hoping that Billy can enter the Juniors race, but he had a big crash last weekend and got beat up!
We hope he can go and race.

Any other 35 plussers intersted?  Vlad, wanna double up?
We are hoping that Billy can enter the Juniors race, but he had a big crash last weekend and got beat up!
We hope he can go and race.

Where/How did he crash?
wanted to race masters here (4/5 no thanks) but after getting dropped in white plains and then again after four or five laps at KCCs - I think Im done for the year... hope its a decent race and they do it again next year. good luck guys
rode the course today.  It's a long, narrow rectangle.  There's a dip in the backstraight leading to turn three, and once you come out of it there's a short bump up to turn four.  Out of turn four, you have a straight, somewhat narrow road to the finish.  It's a bit wider than two car widths, but seems narrower than the finish at CP or PP.  Good positioning and cornering should make a difference here.
I agree with JP that a good crit will help for cross...if you are in town, you should consider it!
mugwump - I hate to even ask this question based on how close it is to the GWB but...was there parking ? 

I am leaning towards yes on registering for the 4/5, however I need to do couply type stuff with my better half later in the day (on that side of the river) - so I was thinking of driving out then staying in NJ, vs racing and then riding home to get the car. 
There doesn't seem to be course parking.  But you could park in a lot in Fort Lee and it's about a mile to the course.  look up Martha Washington Way and Main Street and there should be parking on both sides of MWW.  Or you could park at Fort Lee itself.  If you want to try closer, look around the Fort Lee Museum.
I'm pretty sure that you don't have to feed the meters on Sunday either.
Anyone driving out from BK in the morning? I want to race on my tubies but don't want to lug them. If not, anyone riding out from BK? Mueller, where you at?
I was planning to ride out, but my race is earlier.
I'm meeting Jeff Condon at the Brooklyn Bridge tomorrow at 6:55. I'm racing the 4/5 race and he's doing the 35+. Joiners welcome.
If you're driving and have room for another, let me know. I'll stick around to watch you race.
vlad - take the A train with those tubs to 175th st then ride across the bridge
Ass kicker. I hung in there until both quads cramped hard going up the bump with 5 to go. Got gapped and fell off the back. Finished 1 lap down. Race is no joke... I like that! Joe raced well.
Fast race. Thought about throwing in the towel with 3 to go but everyone sat up (lucky break). So instead I moved up to top 10 wheels with 2 to go. Last lap came out of turn four about the same picked a bad wheel and rolled her in nice and easy, top 20ish. Glad I finished, but damn that hurt. 
35+ race was pretty fast as well. I ended up just finishing with the pack which I didn't think I was going to be able to do. Definitely a hard one.
In the I/II, we had a small field.  I think I heard 22 or 28. Considering the size of the field, the course and the time of year,I came in expecting that it would be aggressive early and there would be lots of attacking until the weak wilted and the remainder rode off, with a small group contesting the win.

We started with a parade lap to acquaint ourselves with the course.  This was mandated by the officials.  A good thing, too, as I watched at least one person botch each corner.  I got things going on lap 2, wanting to take the corners on my own and get a better feeling for them.  I led through turn three and then the attacks started coming.    

After a few hot laps and nothing getting away, we were neutralized and stopped.  The guy in teh Gotham jersey wasn't supposed to be in our race.  Weird.  He was third in the cat III race and then jumped into the I/II.  Turns out, he shouldn't have been in the threes.  He was DQ'ed from the threes, and we then re-started with Karl Rahn, getting a not-quite 10 second head start, as he was holding that gap when we were stopped.

Quickly reabsorbed, the attacks continued.  The rise from turn three to four (27' in .06mi) wasn't hard.  What was hard was attacking out of turn four, which is what it felt like just about all race, even when I was just following wheels.

After a little while, Mengoni's Sanchez attacks solo.  No one goes with or after.  We ride calmly and when the gap is over 20 seconds, the attacks begin. After a few attacks, it seems like we've got a good chase group forming off the front--I'm with Bill Elliston, John Durso, and some other hammers.  

Only some of the hammers don't want to pull.  And the guys off the back by several seconds get back on.  This basic scenario repeats itself seemingly forever.  A good-looking attack goes, usually out of turn four, and it strangles itself because the guys at second and third wheel won't ride.  Sanchez's gap grows steadily.

This scenario is killing me.  My first 30 minutes had a normalized power of over 4.44 w/kg.  On a good day, this would be manageable, and I'd probably be able to continue attacking, but today I was on the edge of cracking.  Doesn't help that the times I roll to the front just to keep things going, guys with seeming little intention of actually breaking away attack only to sit up.  And when I try following wheels, I seem to get behind Franklin Burgos, who is letting gaps open, and refusing to help close them.

Somewhere about 40 minutes in I think, as we're losing impetus, Mike Margarite rolls away, and no one goes after.  With seven laps remaining, Sanchez laps us.  Solo.  Margarite stays out there.  Not wanting to burn the remainder of my matches, but anxious to whittle the field, I try on a few occasions to roll off when the pace isn't burning up.  I get gaps, but no one comes with, rather the field chases me down. Burgos, btw, attacks with five to go--and cracks quickly. Coming into the final lap, I'm doubting I have anything left for the sprint.  Sprinting up the rise and into turn four, my left hip-flexor starts to cramp.  I do what I can, pass three guys on the run-in to the finish, but out of the money.  

Normalized power dropped to 4.31 w/kg 40 minutes in, and I finished at 4.23.  BTW, checking in on Strava, I tied three other guys for the second-fastest lap recorded at the race.  Two guys rode 1:48.  Three of us rode 1:49.  Which is strange, as according to my Garmin program, my fastest lap was 1:52.  

I really hope that have it next year.  Good, hard race.  I also love the October date.  More crits in October.

Distance:28.05 miTime:1:07:59Avg Speed:24.8 mphElevation Gain:1,421 ftCalories:731 C

mugwump said:
The rise from turn three to four (27' in .06mi) wasn't hard.  What was hard was attacking out of turn four, which is what it felt like just about all race, even when I was just following wheels.
Distance:28.05 miTime:1:07:59Avg Speed:24.8 mphElevation Gain:1,421 ftCalories:731 C

I couldn't agree with you more. I would take lots of speed into turn 3, pass some guys going up the bump, then wonder why my legs were so drained and why it was so hard to hold a wheel on the flat out of turn 4 every single time. That finishing stretch is the most painful section without a doubt. I zoomed in on the elevation profile and it's a slow rise the entire way.

For comparison, Cat 3 race:

Distance:18.69 mi*
Time:0:47.26
Avg Speed:23.6 mph*
Elevation Gain:753 ft
Calories:543 C

* -1 lap. 24.8 mph average before falling off the back on lap 18/23.

My first 30 minutes had a normalized power of 4.39 w/kg
JP says:

"Doesn't help that the times I roll to the front just to keep things going, guys with seeming little intention of actually breaking away attack only to sit up."

Who made you the "King of Keeping Things Going?" That's okay, good even if you have a teammate in the field who you want to help spring loose from the field, or on a group ride that's getting a little lazy, but it seems like a waste of good energy in a crit where you are racing for yourself.

Sounds like everyone had a good time though. Congrats!

I would like to see more crits in the Summer. You'd be hard pressed to get me to chose any road race over a cross race this time of year! And you know, I love me some crits!
Some killer fotes!!!

http://nyvelocity.com/content/gallery/race-photos/2012/fort-lee-crit-12