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Joachim actually makes sense.  He's ridiculing the process as well.
I don't know if this is posted elsewhere but Kimmage will be in NYC next week. It should be exciting.

http://future_of_professional_cycling.eventbrite.com/#
http://reader.roopstigo.com/view/roopster/story/618/#/chapter/2/
Hot dignity that article was good.
He's going to jail.

There is just too much hair on that there frog.

Between perjury, tax evasion and his financial dealings with Livestrong...

Something is going to give.
If the IRS can get al Capone...they can get Juan pelota
Exactly
“Dude,” he said, as I stood staring at his dresser. “I swear to God, if someone tells me right now there’s some miracle body cream out there that would make me feel 100 percent and prevent me from getting hurt but that could also cause cancer or liver damage down the line, I’d use it in a heartbeat. I would.”

http://nyti.ms/TOB1sC

So unfortunate the article didn't touch on any of this.
From last night's event with Kimmage at Bicycle Habitat...Two former Irish champions, one slightly more well known that the other ;-) He was a nice guy, interesting too.

As a friend said on Facebook, with the height / size difference, he's probably going to publicly accuse me of taking HGH, lol.
I interviewed Kimmage in early 2009.  Interestingly, his tune hasn't changed too much.  

http://jralong.blogspot.com/2012/11/in-honor-of-paul-kimmage.html

Funny thing is the guy still loves cycling too much.  His book and much of his obsession is about his disgust with how the proverbial sausages are made, not with the sport.  He's an optimist.
From last night's event with Kimmage at Bicycle Habitat...Two former Irish champions, one slightly more well known that the other ;-) He was a nice guy, interesting too.

As a friend said on Facebook, with the height / size difference, he's probably going to publicly accuse me of taking HGH, lol.
That is awesome.  Pure, homegrown, 100% natural awesome.
(Quoting from VeloNews below) it looks like the UCI investigation will be interesting, to say the least...

The points in brief:

1. Are the allegations in the USADA’s Reasoned Decision well founded?
2. Did the UCI know what Armstrong and his team were doing? If not, should it have known?
3. Are the UCI’s anti-doping policies inadequate or not enforced sufficiently?
4. Did the UCI have evidence of doping and did it fail to act?
5. Did the UCI fail to detect doping when Armstrong returned in 2009?
6. Did Armstrong or his team pay the UCI and if so, was it appropriate?
7. Did the UCI discourage people from speaking out?
8. Did the UCI adequately cooperate with USADA’s investigation?
9. Should dopers be able to work within cycling in the future?
10. Did the UCI face a conflict of interest in promoting cycling and investigating Armstrong?
11. Are the current controls adequate and compliant with the World Anti-Doping Code (WADC)?


Oh goodie.  Moar.

http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Blooded-Kindle-Single-ebook/dp/B00A0DQ4MK
Strong op-ed by the great Inga Thompson.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/12/analysis/opinion-thompson-says-cleaning-house-is-the-only-way-forward_267849
EPO Doping Offers No Benefit to Athletes, Only Possible Harm
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/775767?src=mpnews?src=stfb

Did a doper commision this?
i just read Tyler Hamilton's "The Secret Race" in about a day

mostly enjoyable and a great insight into being part of (a) the Postal machine, (b) the pro-cycling-in-the-EPO-years machine.

it does a good job of making you feel what it was like to deal with the pressure of that culture.
I would prefer to read a book about 'that culture' written by someone who had no vested interest in convincing me to empathise with those who 'had to deal with the pressure'.

Adam said:
I would prefer to read a book about 'that culture' written by someone who had no vested interest in convincing me to empathise with those who 'had to deal with the pressure'.

I'm not sure there's any such person.
They most definitely won't be found here:
http://www.dopeology.org/statistics/products/
They most definitely won't be found here:
Impressive find, sir M.
@Jules Right? It's eyeopening to see the aggregate of offenses these major teams have.
Heroin and cocaine—party in the Festina bus!

Clearly tina isn't all bad for you if it helps set the hour record.

Mo' Armstrong history lessons from the MSM - not sure if this is a re-post or just old hat
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/cycling/wires/12/11/2080.ap.cyc.armstrong.doping.0184/index.html?sct=obinsite

"It's the UCI's job, it's WADA's job, it's USADA's job to come up with a test so riders can't cheat. If they find the guys who cheated then those guys have to go, it's that simple," Horner said.

"Maybe USADA have found the guys who have cheated but.... for me, you won the race (if) you passed the test. Lance won seven Tours de France and that's what I saw and the moments I enjoyed and that the way it's going to stay."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/exclusive-interview-chris-horner-on-his-career-armstrong-and-pro-cycling

I love the Redneck but this interview is depressing.  It's like listening to a Flat Earther.

I'm not sure how sucking up to Lance helps him at this point.  Lance is out of RadioShack, out of Trek, and he's not coming back.  Unless...Horner figures he can succeed lance at LiveStrong.  but he'll probably get stuck in the for-profit content mill and then he won't be able to pay his mortgage or child support.
Wump, I agree.  It is a bit of a mystery, unless Horner has investments that are still tied to Lance.  With a net worth of north of 100 mm you can bet LA still holds a lot of influence.  Those who followed him financially are doubtless still very dependent on his goodwill.
I started reading the articl zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. I'm not sure who is more boring Levi or Chris. 
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/all-surviving-tour-de-france-finishers-to-be-invited-to-final-stage-in-2013

Oh this should be rich...
http://www.torontolife.com/daily/informer/from-print-edition-informer/2012/12/17/needle-and-the-damage-done/

He didn't lose capacity when he stopped. Makes me wonder if the doping and racing while juiced raised his ceiling.
"The drugs made me feel sluggish at first, but eventually I got used to them. I assumed they helped me physically, but I didn’t expect the mental toll. If you’re not sleeping and feel paranoid and guilty all the time, it affects your performance massively. It was only once I stopped that I realized the gains
were minimal."

So he went from not finishing races clean to finishing grand tours doped.  That's minimal.

He talks of the mental toll.  Funny how that never comes up in either Inside The Postal Bus or Le Metier.  His wife even ladles praise on Armstrong in the Bus.  

"Your wife, Dede Demet, is a former Olympic cyclist. She defended you publicly when a teammate accused you of doping in 2010. Was she in on the lie?
She knew..."  According to David Zabriskie, she went to some lengths to justify his doping.