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Poor Lance. As if he didn't have enough trouble with his conspiracy. Now his better half - funding of cancer research - is also in trouble. Read about it here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/us/more-scientists-quit-texas-cancer-research-institute.html?hpw

The gist of it is . . .
At least seven more scientists have resigned in protest from Texas’ embattled $3 billion cancer-fighting program, claiming that the agency in charge of it is charting a “politically driven” path that puts commercial interests before science.

The Cancer Prevention and Research Institute of Texas, created with the backing of Gov. Rick Perry and the cyclist Lance Armstrong, a cancer survivor, has awarded nearly $700 million in grants since 2009; only the National Institutes of Health offers a bigger pot of cancer-research money.

Scrutiny of how the state agency selects projects has intensified since May, when its chief scientific officer, Dr. Alfred G. Gilman, a Nobel laureate, resigned in protest after it approved a $20 million commercialization project without scientific review.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/sports/global/cyclings-new-path-to-a-clean-sport-must-continue.html?pagewanted=all
Having just read that Barry article I found myself becoming more irritated as the piece went on.  I think this piece (and most of the others from the other dopers who have now been outed, and let there be no confusion, they were outed and did not confess) lacks perspective, self analysis and any real attempted understanding of the world at large.  Weak.

"Many cyclists, who came from families living below the poverty line, saw doping as a way to survive and to make a living that exceeded what they could make on the farm or one that, at the very least, beat unemployment benefits."  Rally Barry?  Really.  There is so much wrong with this shit that I don't know where to start.  What the fuck is he talking about, hobbits on the Shire???

"The off-season, when we can let our bodies rest and recover, is vanishing. Our time off the bike is limited to two weeks to a month" so what you are saying is that you get the same amount of holiday as every other working schmuck in the US and most countries?

"Those of us who doped and lied and those who were accomplices and witnesses remained silent for a long time in a misguided attempt to protect our jobs"  Yeah, we know.  You lied and cheated to get/keep your job.  How can you possibly say that in a context where we are supposed to sympathise?

Could go on highlighting what is totally absurd about this but will simply finish by saying that this guy, and all the others, are total fucking lying cheats who had nothing else but there own interests at heart.

Sorry Jules, I know you kind of have a bit of a man crush on Barry.
Adam,
     Read Barry's affadavit and you'll be even angrier.  

     He knew what he was getting into.  He could have left it, but he didn't.  

     I take it he's doing some serious damage control behind the scenes as well as this.  The Times' guy in Canada, Ian Austen, was thanked in Le Metier's forward as well as a friend of mine.  I'm guessing he knows lots of people feel snookered and he's afraid that he won't be able to get a job on a pro team unless he comes up with something appropriately contrite.
Adam,

I don't take any offense; he's made his own bed.  Further, the kids whose whole farm makes less than 10k/year are not in his league - he went to an upper crust private school in Canada and had other options.

He is definitely doing damage control, but this third person stuff doesn't cut it - as I wrote him, "write about your regret not that you regret" and he'll have a chance... but the idea that he's suddenly a "reformer" doesn't carry any water right now.

As for the "total lying cheats" bit; from what I can tell 95% plus precent of the pro peloton falls into that category going back to the black & white film days.  The only thing that has changed is the methods of cheating and the renewed public desire to see "clean" athletes compete.  Frankly I'm less upset about it that I am surprised at the tide turning.

If you want to really rile me up, lets talk about middle school kids taking adderol (sp?) for history class and taking internet-bought steriods for football... or local Goblins winning by absurd margins.


I actually kind of wonder whether I should have used PEDs in college to study longer, code longer, and focus on my tests and amateur journalism career better. The juice was rampant in my engineering program, and I declined offers from study mates on two occasions. I wonder why that doesn't seem particularly wrong to me, but taking banned PEDs in sport does.

As for what this thread is really about, I don't give much of a shit what the athletes say. I want to hear from the sport's governing bodies, which is where the true villains reside.
@ Jeff I think you really hit the heart of it.  Are these guys "cheating" if the rules are in name only, and never enforced - or actually actively subverted?

If the defacto rules are "anything goes" which they certainly were for a very long time (remember the 50 hematocrit in Pantani's time was just a guideline at first) can we really pillory these guys as the root of the issue?  (I realize that isn't what Adam said)

This all hits too close to home for me; this weekend after I missed my connecting flight I rented a car and shared the trip with a guy who did mortgage origination (basically they guy who signed off on a lot of those jumbo "no paperwork" mortgages) and his story was pretty simple, "I knew this loan was never going to be paid back, but if we didn't originate it, there were a thousand others who would."

To be clear, I *in no way condone* either act (doping or issuing 'liar loans') but I think it points to a group behavior that is bigger than individual liars & cheats and is more relevant than "this guy is a douche, that guy isn't"
LA should be given 10 tours b/c he was so good at doping. Like Jules said, there's been doping and cheating in the sport since its inception. He was the tiger woods meets michael jordan of doping, so that's gotta count for something. Just cuz these other guys got caught and finally were forced to "apologize" when they had no other options, only means they suck. If you're not cheating, you're not trying, and it's only cheating if you get caught. That's why 'Merikka rawks, y'all. Out.
Ashenden on complicit governing bodies:

http://m.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/sports-chiefs-share-blame-for-vicious-cycle-of-denial-20121015-27mzr.html
"cycle of denial", oy vey
Jules, by claiming that 95% of the peloton doped, you're helping justify Barry et al's actions.  The dopers caught don't know how many of their competitors are actually doping--they have convinced themselves of it to explain why they did it, too.  And by us buying into it without question, we're enabling the cheats to get and keep their jobs.

With the alleged exception of David Millar, I bet few non-dopers were boasting that they were racing clean.  I can only imagine that a non-doping domestique would just do his job and say very little.  

There are always monstrous people.  It's the decent people accomodating them who actually allow for the bad shit to happen.  If just one postal rider had secretly documented what was going on and shipped it off to David Walsh or Paul Kimmage or WADA, this moment would have happened years ago.  If Barry had been the guy, he could have come back to the US and probably raced a long time, and gotten another shot at europe with a team like SpiderTech.

Same goes for the mortgage guy--and we're all paying for his excuse.
@ Wump I don't think I'm justifying anything, just putting it in context.  If the number were 10% does it change things?  It sure seems pretty clear just looking at TDF podiums that everyone in the running for Grand Tour victories was dirty.  Frankly I'm inclined to believe 90% sooner than I am 10%

As for documenting & shipping; I beg to differ.  Whistle blower outcomes in all industries are notoriously bad for the whistle blowers, regardless of the overall outcome.

As for the mortgage guy; the issue isn't *his* excuse in a vacuum.  The system that encouraged that kind of risk was bigger than any one person or industry.  One has to assume there were *some* that said "no" and yet the music still played...
Nice INRNG summary of the "level playing field myth"

http://inrng.com/2012/10/level-playing-field-doping-myth/#more-11391
Here's some news.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/omega-pharma-quickstep-terminates-leipheimer-contract
So good:

 @StevilKinevil

Doping is where @Nike drew the line, but if you wanna torture and kill some dogs, renewal of your contract is a guarantee. #justsuckit

And tee hee: http://deadspin.com/5952466/nike-dumps-lance-armstrong-in-the-smarmiest-way-possible
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20121016/articles/121019643&tc=yahoo

Levi Talks
Looky here; the giant jackass is on the NYT's front page (the article is terribly composed)

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/sports/cycling/inquiry-into-kayle-leogrande-led-to-lance-armstrongs-eventual-fall.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0&hp

He thought he was going to get to Tour level.  Heh.  Now he gets his name associated with LA.  Douche.


I also like the fact he's come back and started a new team, only to have one of his mates test positive:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011/07/news/monster-medias-joshua-webster-accepts-doping-suspension_184207

But I'm sure he's all clean now, just one bad sheep.


Unfortunately, his personal webpage seems to have been removed.  I miss the "I left cycling for two years to focus on my family and tattooing".  Oh yeah?  For exactly 2 years?  Weird!

In 2007, Leogrande was on Rock Racing and was killing it in hilly road races.  Wasn't Frankie Andreu running the team then?

I think this mea culpa from a former editor of Bicycling takes the cake:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/39875782/

Here's my favorite part.  After all the doubt the editor had, all the suspicion, all the dislike he had of Armstrong, he writes this "A friend of mine was diagnosed with throat cancer in 2004 and when I called to wish him well, I told him that he should take hope from Armstrong's story."

This is amazing:

"The penalty would negate his 91st place finish in one of the three Tulsa Tough criteriums. He was listed as a DNF in the other two. The history of competitive cycling will also be forever changed as his 29th place finish at the Chevron Manhattan Beach Grand Prix on June 26 will now be stricken from the record books."
Just when I was wondering why nobody ever wore a wire...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gazzetta-reveals-police-taps-of-dr-ferrari-and-michele-scarponi
I can't keep up!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cycling-australia-vice-president-hodge-steps-down-admits-doping
Gesink saying out loud what we're all saying

http://pages.citebite.com/k6p4p3o8ixlj
"David Millar @millarmind

Dear Rabobank, you were part of the problem. How dare you walk away from your young clean guys who are part of the solution. Sickening."


Sic 'em, Millar!

Kristen Armstrong

http://milemarkers.runnersworld.com/2012/10/how-the-light-gets-in/
That article with Gesink has changed substantially since I first read it this morning, when he was quoted as simply saying something along the lines of 'the doping allegations have nothing to do with us, they were from the previous generation'. I wonder if the author revised the article, or whether Gesink revised his comments.

LL Sanchez appears to have ties to Ferrari.  He appears to be the last guy in a string of dopers on the team that include Leipheimer, Rasmussen, and Menchov.  

Maybe just their headliners were dopers, but the parade of first-string dopers stretches back a long ways.
I think I'll make a blood bag of wine too:

http://tomzirbel.blogspot.com/2012/10/weighing-in.html
Lance who? Pat McQuaid has just turned Harry Potter into Voldemort...the one of which we do not speak. Lance and Harry? There are parallels; tough home life, absent father, under dog with undeniable natural gifts and never quit demeanor. Voldemorts death will be considered humane by comparison as Lance is going to be tied to a bumper and dragged to a slow death of public opinion. The lawsuits will pile up. The clawback on money will be merciless. The only people made whole will be Lance's lawyers who made the cheddar on the way up and even more on the way down.
yack fu
Lance is going to jail for perjury.
Oh man, Julich too...
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exclusive-bobby-julich-doping-confession