Sep 11, 2013 at 03:31 AM
i am looking forward to seeing this....
Professional Dopers
Sep 11, 2013 at 12:48 PM
Difference is this is FUN, not all consuming...Jules said:Says dude on amateur club forum thread DEDICATED to griping about professional doping...Jeff Owens said:do something more important. Focusing on the resentment and anger isn't healthy.
Sep 11, 2013 at 12:49 PM
She's not consumed. They just made a movie about the biggest (non family) event in her life and they asked her to be there for the opening. That's pretty cool; I'd have gone too.
The T-Shirt man, the T-Shirt! Tell me she's not having fun...
Sep 11, 2013 at 01:29 PM
I listened to the press conference last night. There was something Vaughters said that I think can explain why Betsy sounds the way she does. Basically, he told the crowd that he talked trash to Armstrong, Armstrong then made a comment about it, and suddenly Vaughters had sponsors callling him up and giving him a hard time.
My guess is that Betsy received hate mail and hate calls in addition to all the hate that was posted about her when she was quoted online anywhere saying something negative about Armstrong. All the deranged LA lovers were out to make her life hard just for daring to disagree with their hero.
Sep 11, 2013 at 02:05 PM
@mugwump I think it's pretty well documented:
VM's: Stephanie McIlvain, the Oakley representative for Armstrong.[9] In one of them, she stated that she hopes someone "breaks a baseball bat over your [Betsy's] head", among other threats.[10]
Armstrong ran the Andreu's into the ground — made sure Frankie didn't get a contract, the list goes on and on.
@y'all I don't think it's fair to call her crazy, his minions spun her as BJ addicted crazy woman to cast doubt on her testimony. Plus armstrong has already apologized for calling her a (not fat) crazy bitch.
Sep 11, 2013 at 02:45 PM
Who the fuck is Betsy?
Sep 11, 2013 at 02:50 PM
Judge supports Lance Armstrong's right to lie
As a writer, I've been asked to sign contracts by publishers where I assert that what I'm sharing is the truth and that I agree to pay all costs if the publisher is sued.
I'm guessing Armstrong/Jenkins did not have this in their contracts.
Sep 11, 2013 at 03:07 PM
I don't think that is the basis of the ruling. The plaintiffs were consumers and they can't claim to be beneficiaries of any contract provision between the publisher and the authors. The publishers were the defendants in this case. If the publisher was the plaintiff then it would be a different ruling, or your guess would be correct. There still may be an indemnity provision in the contract and the publishers may now go after LA to recover the cost of defending this lawsuit.mugwump said:http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/cycling/2013/09/10/lance-armstrong-books-judge-rules-first-amendment/2795771/Judge supports Lance Armstrong's right to lie
As a writer, I've been asked to sign contracts by publishers where I assert that what I'm sharing is the truth and that I agree to pay all costs if the publisher is sued.I'm guessing Armstrong/Jenkins did not have this in their contracts.
Sep 11, 2013 at 03:16 PM
@craig,
I'm not writing that it is. I'm suggesting that my guess is that once again, Armstrong got special treatment. If the publishers haven't sued by now, I don't think they will.
Sep 11, 2013 at 04:20 PM
Did these people sue someone when they found out Santa Claus didn't come down their chimney? Who can they sue for unicorn fabrication?
If you bought those Dickstrong books, DVD's, bracelets, and TV trays you deserve what you got. I still have my Motley Crue albums. I have to live with that. Embrace it.
If you bought those Dickstrong books, DVD's, bracelets, and TV trays you deserve what you got. I still have my Motley Crue albums. I have to live with that. Embrace it.
Sep 11, 2013 at 05:01 PM
Sad though...he can write all the lies he wants and collect under the umbrella of free speech...but call him a doper and face a libel lawsuit with stiff financial penalties...Maybe with the $$$ he just saved he can buy himself a decent pair of shades and some shampoo for his wingman's mullet. Some spin classes may do Lance good...as he looks like a pudgy Fred.
Sep 11, 2013 at 05:10 PM
son of a bitch...he is on a ti bike !!!! NOOOooooooooOOOOoooooooooOOOOOOOOoō000000000000000 !!!!!
These worlds were never to mingle....The balance in the universe has been disrupted.
I feel disgusted.....
Sep 11, 2013 at 06:08 PM
GREAT SCOTT! SOMEBODY LIED IN THEIR AUTOBIOGRAPHY! STOP THE PRESSES! (somebody should write a book... oh wait, they DID)
Sue Mortimer, sue, Sue SUE!
Sep 11, 2013 at 06:50 PM
Not only is he a liar, but he's trying to copy our look. Stop thief!twoyacks said:son of a bitch...he is on a ti bike !!!! NOOOooooooooOOOOoooooooooOOOOOOOOoō000000000000000 !!!!!These worlds were never to mingle....The balance in the universe has been disrupted.I feel disgusted.....
Sep 11, 2013 at 06:56 PM
Wow, he does look bigger. Don't harsh on that helmet though dude...
#familymen don't like concussions
Sep 11, 2013 at 06:58 PM
Sep 11, 2013 at 07:06 PM
I don't think the publishers will sue. What are their damages? The books sold well and people can't return them now, so they weren't really harmed by the lies. One could argue they were indirect beneficiaries of the lies, which is what the plaintiffs in the CA case seemed to be arguing.mugwump said:@craig,I'm not writing that it is. I'm suggesting that my guess is that once again, Armstrong got special treatment. If the publishers haven't sued by now, I don't think they will.
I suspect that the publishers invoked the indemnity clause as it pertains to the defense of this lawsuit though. You don't have to sue under an indemnity provision. It is a contract right and one would only have to sue if the other party fails to honor that contract term. In this case LA likely paid for the lawyers and managed the defense. So what I'm saying is, it is unlikely that LA was treated favorably in the context of the publishing deal. He may have gotten a large advance, but that is simple economics of the deal based on how many copies the publisher thinks it can sell.
Sep 11, 2013 at 07:52 PM
"Not only is he a liar, but he's trying to copy our look. Stop thief!"
By that do you mean the bib-straps-showing-through-the-jersey look?
Sep 11, 2013 at 11:09 PM
Sep 12, 2013 at 12:31 AM
Anyone see his doc on Wikileaks? I heard varying accounts.
Sep 14, 2013 at 09:51 PM
Unrelated; check out our sweet shout-out from Daniel Coyle on twitter 
Sep 15, 2013 at 03:47 AM
Where did that come from? I have yet to hear back from him after I pointed out his dishonest hyperbole.Jules said:Unrelated; check out our sweet shout-out from Daniel Coyle on twitter
Sep 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM
Sep 16, 2013 at 11:58 AM
Cue Clown Show gifs in 3...2...1...
Sep 16, 2013 at 02:20 PM
http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/09/news/horner-misses-drug-test-after-vuelta-win-hotel-mixup-blamed_303013
(crosspost)
I *do* think the WADA snafu is quite illustrative of a fundamental part of the problem; the watchers aren't that good or don't really want to catch the villains and the risk/reward for the cheaters still makes it a rational choice.
And how does the Winner of a Grand Tour get to pick the single hour in which he can be tested?
Sep 16, 2013 at 04:01 PM
It's been awhile since I read the rules, but as I remember them, each athlete has to designate an hour of every day that he will be available at a specific address. This way the testing crew will always know that they can find the athlete at a particular address during that time. The athlete is subject to testing at any other time too, but he doesn't have to give the testing crew GPS tracking ability. A recent example of this is when Lindsey Vonn (downhill ski racer - dating Tiger Woods) was tracked down and tested by USADA while at Lincoln Center during a fashion awards gala.Jules said:And how does the Winner of a Grand Tour get to pick the single hour in which he can be tested?
Sep 16, 2013 at 04:01 PM
Nice! Apparently there is a gene that keeps T/E levels low in urine.
Prevalence of the gene below (per article)
Sep 16, 2013 at 04:36 PM
Ahem, I already covered this AND used a simpsons reference, TYVM.Jules said:Nice! Apparently there is a gene that keeps T/E levels low in urine.Prevalence of the gene below (per article)
http://kissenacycling.vanillaforums.com/discussion/comment/46821/#Comment_46821
Sep 16, 2013 at 05:26 PM
Uh, this seems really odd from a genetics perspective - precisely how does the result for the "mixed" population work? I'm pretty sure that mixing 4 races that have prevalence below 70% shouldn't generate a population with 78% prevalence without something very weird going on. If each population had a different set of genes that generated low T/E, you could see a hybrid-vigor effect on mixing I guess. But that feels unlikely.
Glad to know my hapa child will be able to dope, though!
Sep 16, 2013 at 05:37 PM
You totally did @Yang!