Professional Dopers - Forum Archive

Sep 28, 2012 at 06:29 PM

http://gizmodo.com/5947311/top-of-the-first-antarctic-explorers-packing-list-lots-and-lots-of-cocaine

"... to cure exhaustion, they had on hand pills called Forced March—a mixture of coke and caffeine that they'd take hourly to just keep moving their legs through the punishing cold. Your heart might explode, but at least you won't collapse from exhaustion..."

Jeff Owens

Sep 28, 2012 at 09:53 PM

Interesting, but thumbs down to the author for bad jokes and for twice referring to the "Arctic" when talking about Antarctica.

neilx

Oct 10, 2012 at 04:36 PM

The USADA...they're such teases... I mean witch hunters!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444799904578048352672452328.html?mod=djemalertNEWS

mugwump

Oct 10, 2012 at 05:04 PM

Can we start a Professional Dopers thread? I don't want to get my David Anthonys confused with my Lance Armstrongs.

neilx

Oct 10, 2012 at 05:10 PM

Good idea

Jules

Oct 10, 2012 at 06:06 PM

Full reasoned decision:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/109619079/Reasoned-Decision

vlad

Oct 10, 2012 at 06:21 PM

Oh wow, the truth is so great.

Jules

Oct 10, 2012 at 07:24 PM

Supporting documents

http://cyclinginvestigation.usada.org/

mugwump

Oct 10, 2012 at 07:30 PM

If "Schumi" (aka Ferrari) had told Lance to ride in Afghanistan, I'm sure he would have done it.

Jules

Oct 10, 2012 at 07:30 PM

Wow. The affidavits are amazing.

Jules

Oct 10, 2012 at 09:34 PM

<a href="http://www.wordle.net/show/wrdl/5843136/USADA_Reasoned_Decision" 
          title="Wordle: USADA Reasoned Decision"><img
          src="http://www.wordle.net/thumb/wrdl/5843136/USADA_Reasoned_Decision"
          alt="Wordle: USADA Reasoned Decision"
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Jules

Oct 10, 2012 at 09:39 PM

FUck it. Can't figure out how to embed it.

http://www.wordle.net/show/wrdl/5843136/USADA_Reasoned_Decision

jfogden

Oct 10, 2012 at 09:50 PM

the whole gang is outed

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usada-lance-armstrong-paid-ferrari-more-than-dollar-1-million

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/usadas-reasoned-decision-on-lance-armstrong-follows-the-money-trail

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/six-former-armstrong-usps-teammates-receive-bans-from-usada

the one that'll break hearts

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/george-hincapie-confesses-to-doping

even micheal barry

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/michael-barry-confesses-to-doping

mugwump

Oct 10, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Barry is the big surprise for me. He was rarely more than C-team material at Postal. I always figured as with his "inside the postal bus" story that he was always on the outside looking in. I figured he was curious but not interested in joining the brotherhood of the needle.

I'm most of the way through the summary. It's depressing how Zabriskie and Barry and Vande Velde seemed to fold so easily. George and Levi otoh, were Ferrari clients.

mugwump

Oct 11, 2012 at 12:00 AM

So does this mean that the Swiss judgement against Landis will be reversed?

Jeff Owens

Oct 11, 2012 at 12:47 AM

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

But wait, they get 6 months of off-season suspension and keep all their winnings and moneys? Or is it backdated? Sounds pretty sweet!

And USAC is saying they haven't suspended anyone. Gah, USADA screwing this up already?

Jules

Oct 11, 2012 at 01:53 AM

@ Wump I agree I'd always thought that willingness to dope was the gate-key to riding on the Armstrong Tour train and that Barry was unwilling and therefore never at a high enough level to do it. Very surprised to hear he was a stalwart EPO consumer.

Jules

Oct 11, 2012 at 02:17 AM

I'm really starting to like Myerson

http://www.cycle-smart.com/blog/2010/05/20/pretty-boy-floyd

David Gardiner

Oct 11, 2012 at 01:16 PM

Inner ring has the whole document

http://inrng.com/2012/10/usada-armstrong-report/

Ryan J

Oct 11, 2012 at 02:45 PM

David Zabriskie has a dry but apparent sense of humor. In his interview with USADA he described a funny and, at the same time, revealing anecdote of life on the U.S. Postal Service team bus. Zabriskie recounted being at the front of the bus singing to Johan Bruyneel about EPO use to the tune of Jimi Hendrix’s song Purple Haze. Johan laughed along as Zabriskie sang:

EPO all in my veins
Lately things just don’t seem the same
Actin’ funny, but I don’t know why
‘Scuse me while I pass this guy

Jules

Oct 11, 2012 at 03:14 PM

This is a huge piece of history for cycling. I fear that without a truth & reconciliation amnesty it will go down as the "Armstrong Festina" ie: a story about one crooked team.

The reality is the whole peloton (I generalize) was in on this game and there are still plenty of supect players out there doing a "What? How?!? I am SHOCKED, so very SHOCKED..."

All our favorites should be in the crosshairs (Voigt, Fabian, etc) and they are curiously silent.

To Myles point, "Who *is* the "unnamed Canadian mountain biker" that Barry shared a case of EPO with?

Are his initials RH?

Jeff Owens

Oct 11, 2012 at 03:39 PM

This is better reading than that USADA thing.
https://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/Zabriskie+David+Affidavit.pdf
Too bad many of the names are redacted.

The USADA document is written poorly. It uses over the top
language to vaguely describe the evidence they have, and come to
conclusions, but it doesn't actually present the evidence clearly.
They should have let the evidence speak for itself, since it's pretty strong.

Plus, they keep bragging that it's over 1000 pages long, but some of
the appendices that are being included in this count are the books
Lance wrote in their entirety! Just filler material that doesn't
strengthen the case.

Jules

Oct 11, 2012 at 03:47 PM

This is the link to all the affidavits

http://cyclinginvestigation.usada.org/

Adam

Oct 11, 2012 at 03:47 PM

http://www.usada.org/sanctions/

How cute. Lance Armstrong and Dave Anthony are on the same page on the internet. I bet DA loves that!

mugwump

Oct 11, 2012 at 07:16 PM

Jules said:

This is a huge piece of history for cycling. I fear that without a truth & reconciliation amnesty it will go down as the "Armstrong Festina" ie: a story about one crooked team.

The reality is the whole peloton (I generalize) was in on this game and there are still plenty of supect players out there doing a "What? How?!? I am SHOCKED, so very SHOCKED..."

All our favorites should be in the crosshairs (Voigt, Fabian, etc) and they are curiously silent.

To Myles point, "Who *is* the "unnamed Canadian mountain biker" that Barry shared a case of EPO with?

Are his initials RH?

Last first. RH is possible, but I'm wondering if it was RG, as I he was a Trek-sponsored MTB'er, tried riding for USPS on the road, and a doper. (roland green)

Yes, we should wonder about Jens, Fabian, etc. With any rider currently on Leopard-Radio Shack, I wonder if they're waiting until Bruyneel and his cadre are sacked before speaking out. As for the others, some of their statements are a bit hard to swallow--Levi was with Bruyneel from 2006-2011, teammates with Armstrong 2009-10, and has always been very much a "good soldier."

jfogden

Oct 12, 2012 at 07:03 PM

mugwump said:
Yes, we should wonder about Jens, Fabian, etc. With any rider currently on Leopard-Radio Shack, I wonder if they're waiting until Bruyneel and his cadre are sacked before speaking out.

Well JP, you got your wish -partially. No words from Jens yet but since he's a good quote, Im sure the press will get to him soon. Im sort of curious to see if any heads roll over at the UCI. The Hincapie GF will certainly be interesting now...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-cancellara-critical-of-bruyneel-and-armstrong

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/radioshack-nissan-cut-ties-with-bruyneel

jfogden

Oct 12, 2012 at 07:49 PM

a viewpoint the bike reporters have ignored up to now

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443294904578050583935567250.html?google_editors_picks=true

Jeff Owens

Oct 12, 2012 at 08:22 PM

I like this from INRNG, about Bruyneel possibly spilling his guts as well, if things start to collapse even further:

"Tyler Hamilton writes “whenever I watch the likeable gangsters on Sopranos I think of Johan” and this is amusing but like The Sopranos there’s a dark side and you wonder if Bruyneel is tempted to reveal where some of the bodies are buried when it comes to his time managing Contador or to give his side to why payments were made to the UCI’s anti-doping effort."

Tasty!

mugwump

Oct 12, 2012 at 09:11 PM

jfogden said:

a viewpoint the bike reporters have ignored up to now

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443294904578050583935567250.html?google_editors_picks=true

I think they've got some facts seriously wrong in the story. Wives/girlfriends typically only show up to hand with the team on rest days at stage races, and I'm sure the videos were from then. But the idea that they're involved is absolutely true. The Zabriskie quote I can't find in the affadavit, mine has several pages missing. Teh real gold is Hincapie leaning on Andreu over Betsy, undermining the good guy image.

harry bolick

Oct 12, 2012 at 09:45 PM

12oct12

news front the front:

10oct12 Greenville News: 'Hincapie admits using banned substances' ...from 1996-2005.

www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012310110021&nclick_check=1

seems that per JP &logic that peleton repleat w/dope. Q? or not really is still sqme w/more sophisticated designer drugs &techniques...i suspect yes. many parallels w/Agricultural &marketing technology.

i ride organically ie. walnut, tunafish, &chocolate milk(slowly) hope you do too!
-h;>

ps whos going to join me @Hincapie Fondo?