I read that Canyon can't keep up with demand for their bikes which lead to multiple complaints.

does anyone know if giant is planning a) to have any SRAM-equipped bikes in 2017 or b) giant is planning on having disc-brake equipped road-race (not "endurance") bikes in 2017?

c) no idea, but you can usually get just the framesets from Giant if that matters. Because of the current pricing of Shimano (cheap) its doubtful they will use Sram besides the decent chance they decide to make an e-tap model.

b) Yes, I heard they were going to release at least some of the TCRs with discs. 
http://road.cc/content/tech-news/181799-giant-launch-disc-versions-tcr-advanced-sl-and-pro-bikes

let's just do this, Brendan!! get it now.

Sram Hydro eTap should be available by November.  Will work with both Hydro R and Hydro D brakes.  the timetable suggests they're planning/hoping on snagging some of  the road and CX disc market for the 2017 model year.  

I love all the hydraulic options...the hoods look like unicorns...and its a deal breaker.  If they can shrink the hoods (etap doesn't need much room in there)...I would love some etap, hyrdaulic rim brakes for the road

the etap hydro stuff is in fact smaller. but i think the look of mechanical is great.

too....bul....bul....bulbous for me

yacks you're just anti-unicorn, see above shirt.  your opinion on horns must therefore be taken with a grain of salt.

i wonder how much they'll be able to shrink the hoods?  the largest thing inside them is, i think, a hydraulic fluid reservoir, which cannot be shrunk (hydraulics only work because the fluid doesn't shrink under pressure)

i'm just so used to sram...i like all the clicking and thudding and clanking and slamming

I too enjoy the clicking, thudding, clanking & slamming of SRAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs3XxEIG0d8

twoyacks said:

too....bul....bul....bulbous for me

@twoyacks I think you need to look at them in comparison not to tiny Trump-sized hands but bigger manly hands. The upper protrusion will not seem so big. That actually looks smaller than old Shimano 7800.

Also, considering Yacks gave up MTB just as hydraulic discs were coming into wide usage, maybe he has some constitutional aversion to hydraulic fluid. Are you afraid of non-compressible fluids? Did you have a traumatic experience bleeding air out of your system?

There may be only one hope for you, Red Hook Crit. NO BRAKES, NO HYDRAULIC FLUID!

the dragonhorn rhinoceros hoods give another hand position that i like.  it's like being in the drops while being on the hoods.  you can also angle your hoods downwards more severely without feeling like you're risking coming off on bumpy terrain (ever hit a giant pothole unexpectedly going downhill while on your hoods?  does not feel very secure...)

Dan Reiners said:

twoyacks said:

too....bul....bul....bulbous for me

@twoyacks I think you need to look at them in comparison not to tiny Trump-sized hands but bigger manly hands. The upper protrusion will not seem so big. That actually looks smaller than old Shimano 7800.

Also, considering Yacks gave up MTB just as hydraulic discs were coming into wide usage, maybe he has some constitutional aversion to hydraulic fluid. Are you afraid of non-compressible fluids? Did you have a traumatic experience bleeding air out of your system?

There may be only one hope for you, Red Hook Crit. NO BRAKES, NO HYDRAULIC FLUID!

Dan Reiners said:

twoyacks said:

too....bul....bul....bulbous for me

@twoyacks I think you need to look at them in comparison not to tiny Trump-sized hands but bigger manly hands. The upper protrusion will not seem so big. That actually looks smaller than old Shimano 7800.

Also, considering Yacks gave up MTB just as hydraulic discs were coming into wide usage, maybe he has some constitutional aversion to hydraulic fluid. Are you afraid of non-compressible fluids? Did you have a traumatic experience bleeding air out of your system?

There may be only one hope for you, Red Hook Crit. NO BRAKES, NO HYDRAULIC FLUID!

Oh I had a "traumatic experience" but it occurred going downhill, clipping a branch, severing a hydraulic line, getting sprayed with fluid while trying to stop my bike and trying desperately not to crap my bibs...so yeah...I have an "aversion" to hydraulic fluid...so suck it hipster...suck it hard

i see the problem with that bicycle.  you've got way too much stack in the headset.  if you'd slammed your stem the bars would be about 3" lower and you probably wouldn't have caught them on anything.  

A dry, but valuable read.

https://silca.cc/blogs/journal/part-3-tire-pressure-and-comfort

mugwump said:

A dry, but valuable read.

https://silca.cc/blogs/journal/part-3-tire-pressure-and-comfort

"Think about that, between these 3 $10,000 models, the difference in ride quality is equal to the difference you will get if you pumped to the 'same pressure' each day and is likely a fraction of what you would get if you pumped to the 'same pressure' on somebody else's pump."

So basically lateral stiffness and vertical compliance is right up there with wine.

I have this to say....I came off a flexy titanium frame & ran 23 mm tires at 120 psi....Now on a stiff aluminum frame running 25 mm tires at 80 psi.  The new setup is just as smooth as the old.  The aluminum bike sprints and descends way better....me's thinks this is because the stiff frame keeps the wheels pointed in the same direction.   Now the only place the aluminum bike beats me down is when I hit a pothole I didn't see.  When I'm seated and hit something big = it hurts
I used to intentionally ride over that manhole cover on the hill in Prospect on my ti bike cause it would just melt under me...The first time I did that on the aluminum frame I damn near got thrown off the bike....that's all I got

Jules said:

So basically lateral stiffness and vertical compliance is right up there with wine.

Are you ready to take the tire pressure challenge?

there's no way that last guy's name is actually Joe Kielbasa

really wish there so many price point holes in giant's disc brake lineup for 2017   https://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-us/news/article/giant.unveils.all.new.tcr.disc.range/20171/

the options have MSRPs of $2450, $4700, or $8250.  i just wish there was some choice other than spending x, 2x, or 4x . . . seems like the non-disc lineup has many more price points 

i believe this is the cycling equivalent of Truck Nutz

New Garmin 820. Deeply reviewed.

http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html

Or u could save $330 and just get this
http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=CATEYECCGL50&ref=PLA&omid=103&utm_source=GooglePLA&utm_medium=CSE&utm_item=CATEYECCGL50&CAWELAID=230005120001015188&catargetid=230005120001253734&cadevice=c&gclid=Cj0KEQjwzZe8BRDguN3cmOr4_dgBEiQAijjVFlnCwvEpuhVxTlHAP1M9vvKTCrdybVDe_HZNEUgbA8EaAgFm8P8HAQ

Sure, but that's like saying you can save money by buying a corolla instead of the jet.

Great car, but it wont fly, they are not the same thing.

You are right Eloy...you should consider upgrading to the Cateye Velo cc-1000 then...
records all sorts of metrics


and the speed sensor doubles as a disc brake...or the disc brake doubles as a speed sensor

Agree with Yacks. Garmin's are a barely readable, badly designed piece of bloat-wear. I have the 520, and it's the most unsatisfying equipment purchase since my GEL 280's.

Dan Reiners said:

i believe this is the cycling equivalent of Truck Nutz

Dude, are these real?!