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SPEED TEAM (Time Trials)

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Vlad and I had a good time at the upper freehold race. The course is full of rolling hills and several sharp turns. The locals seemed to know the course really well (2010 NJ state champs were held here) and their knowledge was an advantage. We got there in time to drive the course which was helpful, but having a feel for how fast one could take the turns - especially one at the bottom of a 35+ mph descent was crucial.

I had a good race. I was within 10 seconds of my target time and held steady pacing across the 11 miles even with the hills. (Not steady wattage - I just mean not blowing up on the hills and not being able to push it on flats and downhills) In the end I felt like I could have pushed it harder in the last two miles but the last few miles were technical making it difficult to properly time the final push. Even though I passed the two riders in front of me and nearly caught the third, I was 7th in my field. I was 1:06 out of 1st place. It was frustrating not to get a higher finish given that there was only a dozen or so in my field, but given that we were so close in time felt encouraging. I have to figure out how to shave off another 2 seconds per minute...

Vlad  sported his new high end dimpled skinsuit and Froome-dog KASK helmet. The CS skinsuit is see through at points and you get to see his tattoos below the Kissena logos. He has some pics he can post. I'll let him tell his own story but unfortunately for him his KASK visor started to fog up and he had to take it off and hold it by his bar extensions for part of the race.  

ThIs meant I had the minor victory of beating him in a TT by about 30 sec. I'll have to hope for continued mechanical mishaps for this to ever happen again as his Peak coaching workouts show that he should be able to crush me. 

We we are both planning on heading out to more of these NJ TTs this year - it's a lot more fun with teammates - hope to have some of you join us for upcoming races. 
Not so hot, at least for me. I think Patrick had a decent one.

https://www.bikereg.com/Results/rr/6095/upper-freehold-itt



The rear-zip speedsuit is nuts! I needed help getting in and out, pinned up I can't stress this enough - make sure you've gone to the bathroom before kitting up. My Kask Bambino visor fogged up about 10 min into the effort. Dealing with that effectively broke my rhythm and took me out of the event mentally. I need to figure something out with that.

My fitness on the road did not transfer at all to this. My body is super sore today, especially my quads. None of the racing or training I've done so far have even come close to shocking my body this way. It amazes me that the TT position and effort could be that much different. 11 miles! I wake up in the morning and piss 11 miles, but this was 11 miles of total fucking bullshit.

It wasn't terrible, but it wasn't great. I'm looking forward to getting more of these in and improving.




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Vlad, Patrick, all you TT dogs. At the risk of repeating myself, I'm going to share the advice I once got from a high ranking USA Cycling Coach and Former Jelly Belly DS Barney King. I'm paraphrasing, but...

If you want to get good at TTs you need to spend ONCE A WEEK doing workouts on your TT bike/in your TT position.

You may already be doing this of course. But I thought it's worth tossing out that info again anyway.

PS HOT looking TT rigs!
Ohmygosh! Vlad that picture of you in a tatoo-showing skinsuit deserves only one name:

WAR MACHINE
<eom>
This stuff kicks ass Vlad.


Use it on your portholes too. 
Puppy Dog Grehan and I did the Rt 29 Series #1 event today.





http://www.sergiogphotography.com/rte29tt1_2015
BADASS!

You guys look FAST! Results?
I had a good race (for me) finishing second in the car 4 group with a time of 23:45 - 18 seconds off the winning time.

I started off a little fast - pumped up by the music coming from my iPod shuffle clipped into my helmet. Nothing like a little White Zombie to get you moving in the morning. I was going cross eyed for the last few minutes but managed to avoid the potholes. 

Listening to to other guys talk about their avg power of 350-375 is discouraging, but then again, if I can stay close with a paltry 285w, that's not too bad. 

Vlad ad kicked my ass by 45 seconds. The 123 field was fast. Some 23 year old neo-pro killed everyone by a couple of minutes and was spotted motor pacing shortly after the race. 

Wow. That photographer was remarkably consistent with his or her composition.
You guys are my heroes. 

Patrick, if those guys can average 375 watts for 20+ minutes, and just doing local ITTs, then they are under-achieving. Adam Myerson's FTP is 330 watts.

Seriously though, good job keeping so close despite the wattage differences!

Patrick, if those guys can average 375 watts for 20+ minutes, and just doing local ITTs, then they are under-achieving. Adam Myerson's FTP is 330 watts.

Seriously though, good job keeping so close despite the wattage differences!
Normalize for weight. Come on Marc, what are you new here?

:P


Anyone want to get down this Saturday? This is as close to local as it gets for a TT.

https://www.bikereg.com/2015-silver-mine-time-trial
To piggyback on Vlad's post, I've been looking forward to this TT for a while and you should consider it. The race is a challenging 14 mile course around 7 lakes drive in Harriman. It starts with a 2 mile climb and has several shorter climbs along the way. Should make pacing a real challenge. A bonus feature: The roads are well paved. 

Come me on out and try an cannibal style TT and avoid the wheel eating potholes in Prospect Park!

Vlad, Patrick and Dale, how did it go?
Dale, Vlad and I took on the rolling hills at 7 lakes drive for a fun TT with 130 other racers. I sported my new Kissena TT skinsuit, booties and POC Cerebral helmet. At least I looked fast. That skinsuit is the tightest fitting piece of kit I have ever worn. 

As for the race I had good outing... for me. I hit each hill well above threshold and recovered on the descents (getting ready for CX!). I was pleased with both my power and time (35 min) although surprisingly it was only good enough for 6th in the 4s. I was about 90 seconds out of 1st. Oh well. 

Dale had a good day doing the non-TT category coming in 1 min behind me. Impressive on a road bike. After the race he rode his bike back to Brooklyn from Harriman. His is going to be a monster during CX season. 

Vlad's legs did not cooperate today. A good showing, but not what he is usually capable of. Probably still recovering from his move and racing hard at Floyd on Tuesday.  

Overall we had fun and represented Kissena. Nice hanging out with both during the drive and prepping for the race. Looking for a few more TTs before CX season starts. 

C'mon Vlad, smile in front of the camera.

What's the rule for the non tt bike category regarding wheels?
C'mon Vlad, smile in front of the camera.
Non!



What's the rule for the non tt bike category regarding wheels?
In this race they allowed aero wheels in the non TT categories  - just not discs 
C'mon Vlad, smile in front of the camera.
Terminators don't smile
@Marc No disc wheels or tri-spokes. But with spoked wheels - you can ride any depth.
Thanks to Vlad for pushing me last week to do this.  I did some good training this week and was starting to feel my oats so I thought I would give it a try.  And thanks to Patrick for the last minute ride up, the trainer, and the helmet.  You were generously accommodating.   
I think I had a pretty solid ride, no blowup toward the end or anything like that. I think I must miss racing because I spent the whole TT thinking how fun it was, and that is definitely not a thought I've had in a TT before.  Oddly I was never quite sure what to do with my arms on a rode bike during a TT--I was all over the place.
It's funny Marc, you bring up the question of what's legal in the Non TT.  We debated whether the aero helmet was ok or not and finally after seeing at least one other road bike guy with one, I went with it.  No official at the start mentioned it. When I finished the race, I rolled up to the guy who had passed me on his aero road bike, with dish wheels, skin suit, and aero road helmet, (not sure if he had shoe covers,) and said nice job, and his response was "You can't wear aero helmets in the non-TT category, so someone might complain and you can get DQed"  I said "ok" and rolled back to the finish, where Patrick came in looking strong with a solid 6th place time.  
Vlad rolled in a few minutes later looking sharper than he said he felt and got himself a podium spot.
Two 6ths and a 3rd place ain't bad-Nice Day.  
 


great, Dale!
 Oddly I was never quite sure what to do with my arms on a rode bike during a TT--I was all over the place.

It's funny Marc, you bring up the question of what's legal in the Non TT.  We debated whether the aero helmet was ok or not and finally after seeing at least one other road bike guy with one, I went with it.
 


When I practice and/or race a TT on a road bike, I either stay in the drops, or rest the palms of my hands on the tops of my levers, with my forearms flat  on the bars. It approximates the position (for my back anyways) as if I had clip on aero bars.

I'm glad you didn't get dq'ed. At the Green Mountain SR TT bikes and clip ons are NOT allowed, but helmets and any wheels, including discs are.

The official rule is anything that is allowed in a mass start race. Which believe it or not includes disc wheels. There's a New England fixture/legend 60+ dude who rides both the road and cross with a wheel cover that effectively turns his rear wheel into a disc wheel.
The Nittany stage race, this past weekend, had very clear Merckx style Time Trial rules.

https://www.bikereg.com/inc/content/images/files/6546/Special equipment rules for ITT.pdf

When I use to official, once did a TT at FBF, this were the basic rules we enforced (which was a non issue, as no one was even close)
Not exactly a TT, but yesterday I competed as part of a team in an Olympic triathlon in Ceour d'Alene Idaho with my brother in law and his girlfriend. I clamped on a pair of tri bars to my road bike for the bike leg of the tri which consisted of a hilly 40K/25mile course. 

The triathlon had a. Pretty cool atmosphere and it was interesting to learn the rules re: transitions etc. They made announcements about bar ends at least three times. Haven't heard that in a road race in a long time. By the way, the riding out here in Idaho is beautiful

I felt pretty good about metering out my effort - blowing by guys on their TT bikes with aero wheels and helmets on my road bike with aluminum wheels and POC road helmet. I ended up with something like third best time, but my favorite part was found a cyclocross dismount into a full run in the transition section. 

#lookingforwardtoCXseason