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Training to Race: Faster, Stronger, Awesomer

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When you open a ride, you should see a tab somewhere In the middle named "best efforts power curve". From there you can see your max power for specific time periods on that particular ride (mapped against your all-time best efforts). Not sure if that's what your after.
do I need the premium subscription for that jazz?

@Yaks yes I think you do - but it's like $60 per year.
Soo....I can still use Garmin Connect by uploading my files manually.  That made me smile.  As far as what premium service I should use, what's the what?  I just ponied  $6 for a month of Strava.  Does the Strava premium do anything more or better than Garmin Connect?  thanking you...yack
@twoyacks - get Golden Cheetah http://goldencheetah.org/

It is free and better than Strava at power analysis etc. Strava is fun but it doesn't compare to Golden Cheetah or other things like Training Peaks (premium) or WKO for power. Here are some guides I recently found well after I'd been using it for a month or two, it's not essential you read them to get started but there are a few things that I would've like to have known at the outset.

http://www.cyclingmusings.com/2011/02/golden-cheetah-quick-start-guide.html
http://www.cyclingmusings.com/2011/11/golden-cheeta-quickstart-guide-part-ii.html

http://www.thetallcyclist.com/2013/01/golden-cheetah-basic-setup-care-and-feeding/

Download golden cheetah. Free. Very powerful.
I have the CHEETAH ! (and no idea what to do with it)
Chris, join the Kissena club on Strava and I'll show you what to do

http://app.strava.com/clubs/kissena-cycling-club
Interesting bit on CX training "secrets'

http://www.cxmagazine.com/sneak-peek-issue-20s-national-champion-training-secrets?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+CyclocrossMagazine+(Cyclocross+Magazine)&utm_content=cyclocross&utm_term=cyclocross,+cycling,+bike+racing,+veldrijden,+cyclo-cross

Jules said:
Common thread with all these athletes? They have good recovery periods! Interesting to hear that the coach thinks 1 recovery day per race day. For most of us, especially those on the KCC Cyclocross sub-division team Awesome, that means we're not doing work on the bike again until Wednesday. Adam Myerson this past year wrote/spoke about how at one point in the season, he was surprised he was able to do a workout on a Tuesday after a double race weekend.

The other point I found interesting is the importance of training/practicing at race pace on your cross bike. That's one of many areas I need to work on for next year. Easy to go hard on the trainer or on the road, but harder, logistically to go hard on a tape-less/barrier-less course that is made up in your head on some random piece of grass near your apartment.
"wednesday worlds" is serious shit in the Republic of Boulder.  

I think if people would go out and do a hard group road ride on their CX bikes, like an hour in a park of a four-up TTT, they could get in the same kind of intensity.  
mugwump said:
"wednesday worlds" is serious shit in the Republic of Boulder.  

I think if people would go out and do a hard group road ride on their CX bikes, like an hour in a park of a four-up TTT, they could get in the same kind of intensity.  
I feel like somewhere in New England that have weeknight training. Our problem of course is, the Parks Department and cops.
Heart Rates! 15-20% off... get 'em at your nearest Grand Tour

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/05/news/sutherland-journal-the-fog-and-dropping-heart-rate-of-the-giros-second-week_287994
You know how after a few days off the bike and plenty of food and drink you accumulate more chub around the waist? Well I have now named that extra girth "Stored Watts". As in, I'm storing watts for when I get back on the bike. At the very least this makes me feel better.
yikes...doing 20 minute indoor intervals at 250-260 watts just shells me.  
twoyacks said:
yikes...doing 20 minute indoor intervals at 250-260 watts just shells me.  
It'll pay off in the long run though
that or my right knee will fall off...

i did my first indoor interval session with a powermeter last week.  it was horrifying. 

i went in there expecting to hit the same 2m, 1m and 30s power numbers that i would normally hit during an outdoor session.  i failed spectacularly and then spent the next few hours obsessing about how i must be tired or ill or a combination of both.

but then a quick search on the forum for "indoor trainer power" revealed that, apparently, impaired indoor performance is quite common.  after reading up on why that may be, i am now more enlightened.
I have not read up on it but...from what I am seeing I would revise your estimates down 10%. My 20 minute power from Sunday was 275 and I've been doing indoor 20 minute intervals at 250. The indoor ones hurt way more. I would recommend more stretching if u r doing a lot of indoor stuff. Your knees are locked in a fixed position when indoors and I find it harder on the knees

A big factor on the indoor power meter stuff, IMHO, is ventilation and body cooling. Start with cold bottles, lots of fans in a cool room. It will make a big difference. 


Ahh the convection connection.  I hear pouring cool water bottles over his head won Floyd the Tour !  Oh wait...that was Allen Lim who said that...the guy who helped him juice and then helped Lance juice for his final tours....but that is neither here nor there....stay cool indoors...yes?  But it is nice to see your power go up by double digit percentages when you ride outside....the same improvement you might see after a visit to  Dr. Lim for a "consultation".  Wooo full circle !!!
Say what you will about Lim and his connection to Lance, but his rice cakes are legit.

So, I'm finding that I finally need a more precise way to train but I don't have the scratch for any kind of power meter.  If I go with a HR monitor, how effective will that be in terms of monitoring my training efforts?  At this point I just want to be able to make my efforts consistent, have a sense of what my limits are and keep track of my improvement / decline.  I know that being able to measure watts, etc. is more informative in terms of measuring up to other riders, but is HR alone still a worthwhile tool?
If you are truly ready to take your performance to the next level............
Yes Tito. HR is a reasonable way to monitor your training effort. Perhaps not so reliable to track your progress, unless you are comparing lap times at a given HR. But once you figure out your HR at threshold, then you can adjust your workout relative to that. But not so good for short efforts because your HR takes a while to respond (and is also sensitive to hydration, fatigue, and mood).
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/06/eight-weeks-of-simulated-altitude-training-part-2/
...with a bit of duct tape and a caulking gun we can make our January Computrainer sessions PAY FOR THEMSELVES!
Interesting http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/06/news/to-peak-or-not-to-peak-and-why-our-bodies-can-fool-us_290785
excellent article
good one!
I recommend watching this clip every now and then...just to refresh your grey matter as to what a real competitor looks like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTn1v5TGK_w