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Training to Race: Faster, Stronger, Awesomer

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Gross
Me + Computrainer

Oh you want to get Biblical? If that whale swallowed me instead of Job, the whale would have been all, "Wow, that guy is salty. And I'm a saltwater creature."

My skin sweat gets so viscous you could lube a chain with it (though that would only work for a few minutes until all the water evaporated and the chain instantaneously rusted itself into nothingness).

The salt eagle on my back after a long ride is larger and more intricate than the hood of a 1978 Pontiac Firebird Trans-Am.


I think you mean Jonah.

I should let Marc sing the praises of his NaCl, but I'll note that artisanal salt makers from hipsterville are relocating to Marc's block in order to harvest his bounty.
#sweatybrag

the humblebrag of the endurance athletic nerds.

Also Jeff we now know who skipped Sunday school.
I'm surprised nobody compared themselves to Lot's wife after the notorious GOD turned her into a pillar of salt.
I'm surprised nobody compared themselves to Lot's wife after the notorious GOD turned her into a pillar of salt.
I would engage in such comparisons, but I'm too busy fighting off cattle and other cloven-footed beasts who would like to use me as their field salt licks.


I'm surprised nobody compared themselves to Lot's wife after the notorious GOD turned her into a pillar of salt.
Check out JP's comparing Marc to Lot's wife earlier.

I still think this is the grossest smack talk ever.

Lets talk about something better like what people are queuing up for their trainer riding this winter? Does somebody have a training plan that was developed for yak herders to increase endurance and sprinting ability that takes only 10 minutes a week?
Nobody is herding me biatch...



Going to try and steer this thread back to where it belongs...

Now that racing is pretty much done for all of us until at least the first weekend of March, it's pretty important to approach your winter training blocks with care and thoughtfulness. Whether you believe in base-building or sweet-spot training or something else entirely, winter training remains your best opportunity to build a strong foundation for a successful spring/summer racing season.

As the weather gets less and less friendly, it becomes harder and harder to put the time in, but it really is important for racers to put in quality training time these next 12 weeks. Indoors, outdoors, with a group or solo. Get on those bikes, and you'll see a difference when you start pinning on race numbers again.
twoyacks said:
Nobody is herding me biatch...


Winter training plan, pulling a cart helps with endurance and sprinting ability. The rope through the nose looks a little annoying though.



is that an unshaven yak?
Training Terms and Equipment Needed

RPE, LTHR, FTP

RPE - Rate of Percieved Exertion.  
On a scale of 1 - 10, 1 being easy and 10 the hardest you can go, a perceived scale of how hard you're riding.
Use this because you absolutely never bothered to buy any equipment to scale your progress, or because you've been drinking and don't want to crash your commuter.

Test:  Ride a lot, and you'll know from experience, cadence, how easily you can talk and breath.


LTHR - Lactate Threshold Heart Rate, Anaerobic Threshold, Functional Threshold
The maximum average heart rate you can hold for an hour

Test:  Several different ways to test, but often, 30 minute ride, 10 minute solid warmup with a 20 minute all out.  Average HR during that 20 minutes is your LTHR.  Should redo the test every 3 months or so.

I use the Garmin soft strap premium Heart Rate Monitor.  It's a strap that goes around my midsection, and has a plastic Garmin HR unit that clicks into it.  Quite a few cyclists use it, though you could get a watch that does the same thing.
It's ANT+ so connects to my Garmin 500 bike computer and I can see my HR.
Red Beard is sure to have them in stock, so you can check with them about price and availability with our KCC discount.

Here's one test:
http://www.joefrielsblog.com/2011/04/determining-your-lthr.html


FTP:  Functional Threshold Power.
The is the maximum (average) power you can hold for 1 hour.

Test: Using your power meter, a 10 minute warmup, 20 minute all out, cool down, multiply your power in that 20 minutes by .95.

Equipment:  Power Meter.  This can be on your crank, the crank itself, on a wheel, Pedals, etc.  We are sponsored by Stages, currently, which attaches to the crank arm.


Differences:  
RPE is something I do actually use in the winter when riding outside because it's dark and I can't see anything on my Garmin.

HR - this is a good way to train in the off season, so you don't go too hard, and fascinating to see on hills.  No, you won't need a paramedic, but just don't panic, it really is beating 181.  Your Heart Rate is unique to you, though, so while you are training in YOUR zones, and the zones will change as you get more fit, or fat, you're training against yourself.  It can change with age, exhaustion, rest, and stress etc.  

Power - Train during the season.  While, again, your FTP is unique to you, it is a number that you can see and compare to other riders and races.  If the winner of your race averages 280 watts during the race, and you average 230 and never get to 280, well, you have more training to do.
If you average 300 watts, higher than everyone else, and come in last, you need to work on tactics and confidence.

Heart Rate was THE way to train before power meters, and it still is.  It's a solid way to set zones and set your training schedule.  But with Power Meters so accessible now, get one.  And get an HR monitor.  And don't drink while using your commuter bike.
Thanks Bruce! Very helpful.
Bruce is a hero.  No, he's a role model.
Mr Yang, you make a grown man blush.
Please, Mr Yang is my dad's name, call me Mr Yang the 2nd Jr. Esquire.
How's bout I call you my Zwift whoopin boy hoss ?????????????


As you start your training schedules, I think consistency is going to be more important than meeting the specific goals of any given workout.
If your workout is supposed to be an hour and a half, with 3 hard efforts, and you wake up to 17 degrees and pitch black outside, getting on the trainer for a zone 2 30 minute workout is better than missing the workout.

It's January, it's going to be cold, motivation may be low.  Workouts at this time are designed to get your legs moving, give you a base foundation of miles that you can work from, get your body used to riding, wake you up.  They're also designed to get you used to following a schedule.  Set good habits now, and they will carry you through the spring.

Can't get on the bike, then find and bookmark a youtube core workout, yoga session, pilates, and use that time for strength training and stretching.  

As you get used to the schedule, you can start hitting your goals more often.  Get used to following the schedule, first, and it's fine if you don't reach the goals every time.

If you're on the trainer, I'd suggest rounding your rides off by 15 minute increments, so instead of a 20 minute ride, go 30, 45 or an hour, etc.  That will give you motivation to add a little extra time, and also allow you to compare similar efforts later.
Hey Bruce!

http://velonews.competitor.com/2016/01/news/searvogel-breaks-75065-mile-record-for-annual-cycling-mileage_392110
Damnit!  I just figured out what setting Goals was all about. . . 
200 mile/day average. I don't even know how to think about that.
200 miles/day. That is a very lonely person with a titanium taint.
Jules said:
There is no way that this guy has a significant other.
That's what I thought, too, but she's on his team!
(or at least they wear the same jersey)

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/sports/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2016/1/4/arkansas_cyclist_bre.html

12 hours a day in the saddle.

https://www.strava.com/athletes/350859

He's only ridden 1k so far this year.  I guess he's taking it easy now.
Bruce van-Schalkwyk said:
That's what I thought, too, but she's on his team!
(or at least they wear the same jersey)

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/sports/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2016/1/4/arkansas_cyclist_bre.html

12 hours a day in the saddle.

https://www.strava.com/athletes/350859

He's only ridden 1k so far this year.  I guess he's taking it easy now.
He looks a bit too beefy for someone who rides 200 miles a day especially in 12 hours. My BS meter is going over scale right this minute.
He looks a bit too beefy for someone who rides 200 miles a day especially in 12 hours. My BS meter is going over scale right this minute.
Since it isn't a sanctioned record, USADA doesn't have the authority to test him.

#chemistry
mugwump said:
He looks a bit too beefy for someone who rides 200 miles a day especially in 12 hours. My BS meter is going over scale right this minute.
Since it isn't a sanctioned record, USADA doesn't have the authority to test him.

#chemistry
or #moped
mugwump said:

Since it isn't a sanctioned record, USADA doesn't have the authority to test him.

#chemistry
I wrote too quickly.  Should have researched.  It was sanctioned by the UMCA.

Here's his site: http://www.tarzanrides.com/

And UMCA's: http://ultracycling.com/

here's what their rules state about doping
"Any  racer  under  suspension  by  another  sporting  sanctioning/governing  body,  the  World  Anti Doping Agency or a  national  antidoping  agency,  is  not  be  eligible to earn  pointsinthe  WCUCduring  their  period  of  suspension."

I think it's known as the "Alberto Blanco rule" Nothing about testing, nothing about whether or not they take a position on doping.
He is based in Tampa, and he rode mostly in Flatwoods park. Evidence would point to his record not requiring a whole lot of climbing. I would say he doesn't need a classic climber's build to get over the massive elevation changes there.

 
How many people here crosstrain outside of cycling? I'm aware it is beneficial forike racing fitness (and general health), but boy I got into riding to avoid the other nonsense. Am I stupid to not incorporate this stuff into my routine?