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One other comment for the sake a good chuckle; towards the end of the race just before the final KOM I (finally) found "High Viz Vector" and said, "Ok, you attack at the top."  He replied, "At the top?!?" 

God I couldn't help but smile - I'm truly sorry; it was later in the race and everyone was tired - but yes, if you have any doubt about when a good time to attack is, it's when life sucks the most.  If you're hurting, everyone is hurting.

You didn't yell at me, it was Wes!
You didn't yell at me, it was Wes!
What?  Apparently I was even more tired than I thought.  Sorry guys.
All Asians look like alike...I can say that, I have Asian friends. Haha. Good job all around on the race. Wish I was there too.
Bah - cut me some slack.  We've got upwards of 40 new guys this year and I'm bad with names & faces to start with.  Plus I was up late sniffing swamp gas and fuel with Phil...

It took me 18 months before I could tell Jim Nelson and Stearnsy apart... and I'm still not sure which one is Marc vs Ragot...  Trust me on this; it's ME not YOU :)
Do it for me... for pity's sake...

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Hardest working guy in the peleton today jules! Thanks for shutting everything down and then dropping back to baby sit me up the hill! Thanks to everyone for helping with the sprinys. As always jim executed the final lead out duties flawlessly.
And good job Jeff!!!
Du Rien Andy - it was fun.  And thank you for making good on the effort; always makes it sweeter when I claw my way back and hear you got it :)

That was Tad?! Wow, I thought he was some Fred just cruising along doing his own thing after getting dropped from the field.

Funnily enough, last year, I congratulated him for a top 10 or something in the Cat 2 Battenkill race. He was all like, "it wasn't that hard...easy to train when you are unemployed." I guess dude's got a job now. Which is good.
That wasn't tad it was this guy who used to work at bicycle habitat with Chris bloome and Dave. His name is escaping me.
Ok Ragot said he was in the race without a number as well.
Yeah he had no number. He and Ragot, however, did exchange shoves.

Oh, and Mike gave a great "get your hands on the fucking bars" to Scott Savory.
I spoke with Pollo this afternoon (in NYC Velo after he replaced the bb bearings associated with my campy crankset, for which I am very grateful) and I asked him what happened with Cesar (who was DQ'ed for attaching in the joggers lane TWICE).

His response: 'Estupido'

He said something about sending him back to the Dominican Republic if it happened again, though I didn't quite understand that part.




Chris Zaverdas won the sprint in the 4's...if this kid is back racing...he is somebody to follow.  At least until he upgrades.

http://results.prtiming.com/?page_id=70#/results::1371330338988
Re Tad (or maybe not Tad, per Andrew), his spit payload (full loogie) was launched at a target training dude when confronted by that dude about his crazed riding.  This was while he was also being pulled by the moto.  Pretty aggro.  Didn't get the feeling he was lost in self reflection, wondering if maybe he had done something wrong.
dstokes said:
I spoke with Pollo this afternoon (in NYC Velo after he replaced the bb bearings associated with my campy crankset, for which I am very grateful) and I asked him what happened with Cesar (who was DQ'ed for attaching in the joggers lane TWICE).

His response: 'Estupido'

He said something about sending him back to the Dominican Republic if it happened again, though I didn't quite understand that part.




Yeah, send your son, the dude who places top 20 in National Calendar Crits, back to the DR because he can't follow a simple rule in local park race. That makes sense.
It destroys my faith in humanity when someone with a pink rhinoceros on his jerseys has no sense of humor...
dstokes said:
I spoke with Pollo this afternoon (in NYC Velo after he replaced the bb bearings associated with my campy crankset, for which I am very grateful) and I asked him what happened with Cesar (who was DQ'ed for attaching in the joggers lane TWICE).

His response: 'Estupido'

He said something about sending him back to the Dominican Republic if it happened again, though I didn't quite understand that part.




The one I saw was incredible.  He attacked on the left sweeper just before the downhill from about 50 riders back.  He passed the entire field in the jogger's lane and then swung right down the hill.

I don't know what he was doing.  for a guy who places top 20 in NCC races, he was riding pretty sucky, or so it seemed.  He would attack, not get to the break fast and then exit the break at hte back.

vis a vis the pink rhinos: has anyone reached out to Dave Bachman on the matter?

With Savory's dumb stuff--Keith believes he caused the crash at the end of the race--I'd suggest something is wrong with him, but then he do so much dumb stuff, it's hard to separate.
Pics are up all u narcissist....

http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615

Aly drilled a MONSTER leadout on the 2nd kom.   All I had to do was roll through near the top to grab those points. I am now convinced that if we do the same thing next week...with a sweeper on my wheel, we can take that kooky looking polka-dot jersey.  I should have asked for a sweeper on the 1st sprint....we could be in possession of the dots right now.  Currently I'm 1 point behind this guy....who tangentially pulled over and "Yacked" shortly after this pic....true story....and pun intended.

http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Cat-4-LucarelliCastaldiCupR615/30003369_NCsJW3#!i=2576950956&k=N5pRgc6

Random reminder:

WEAR YOUR HELMETS. Harry had no idea he hit his head in his crash this morning. But we took a look at his helmet and it was DESTROYED. One look on the inside and you could easily see multiple chunks of helmet being held together by the exterior plastic shell.
My name is Yack and I make em puke...ba-dumb-bing !  Whoo I got a million of em !
Good fun today in the 4s.  I thought we really accomplished what we set out to do and really worked together as a team.

For me I trolled the front for most of the race to keep check on anything that looked good or seize an opportunity. Twice early on I got into breaks with a two other guys after the hill but they only lasted a quarter lap or so.  On the 2nd KOM I trailed Yaks and another guy who were being led out by Aloysha at a great clip. As Yaks went for it I was on his wheel making sure no one came around. At the top of the hill he reached back to hi five me after responding I decided to keep going. 

I didn't realize the gap I had and as I made the turn two Foundation guys and another (blue and pink kit; Cycle Life?) passed by with some speed. I hopped on and we immediately started working together in rotating pace line. With the hill acceleration I was feeling gassed and after a few pulls and had to skip a few. At one point I felt like I wasn't going to hold on but by the bell lap and onto the hill I was able to recover fully and felt stronger. 

I kept trying to take peeks and while the pack wasn't immediately behind us I thought I could see them but it was hard to tell how far. We were definitely putting in an all out effort afraid of the ensuing pack. When we got to the temple I felt we had it and I decided to let the Foundation guys take the lead as they had two guys. One Foundation guy was leading followed by Cycle Life then Foundation and me. The two Foundation guys then switched spots I think to let their sprinter get the lead out. They made their move around the parking lot and the lead out guy sat up after the hill. Foundation pulled away but I was neck and neck with Cycle Life and moved ahead before the line for second place. I'm pretty psyched with the result. 

Thanks to everyone in the pack who were keeping check on any would be chasers. And thanks to our mighty road captain, Jules who did an amazing job keeping things in order, bringing back breaks on the sprint laps and instigating ones of his own. Also thanks to everyone who worked to dry out the puddle last night so we could all race. Sorry I couldn't make it. 

Congrads to Aly who got second in the sprint to take 6th. And to Andy for keeping in green and Yaks for moving up in dots. Both of those were the result of calculated team work. 

Looking forward to the next one. 

Congratulations Jeff, Alyosha, and all.
Congrats everyone - from my vantage point at the bottom of the hill, Kissena was at the pointy end controlling things the entire 4 race. Was awesome to see Jeff C in that 4-man break. Ryan and Rene looked strong in the 1/2/3 break, too - a bigger selection and had a significant gap. Hope Harry is OK. What happened? Last - the 1/2/3s may recall screaming down the hill on lap 2 or 3 and finding a cop car on the course near Park Circle exit, forcing the group to slow and narrow. Ridiculous. He pulled up and was just sitting there. I see the moto, and yell at him to get off the road. Then I blew my whistle to get his attention again and yelled - get off the course - you are endangering the field. He sat there and smirked at me, then slowly rolled away after you had passed. A-hole.
Strong work guys! lets do it again next time and put a stamp on this thing.
alyoshas said:
Strong work guys! lets do it again next time and put a stamp on this thing.
I agree.

Jeff White had a good idea of how you can achieve world domination next time out. I'm sure he'll share in plenty of time to execute it before the next L&C race.
Damnation, that's proper racing gentlemen! Congrats Jeff and Aly --and all! 
Photos from the Midnight Rescue!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/92879490@N04/sets/72157634170750728/
Man, Victors photos really capture the story of my race. Taken care of all day by my dudes, losing the second KOM to Stalin, getting pissed off about that and looking for a move to make up for it, countering JPs well timed attack, and me and Rene in the winning break. Awesome times!

The boys taking care of me (I love these): 
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576924591&k=8fXbVCP

http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576925171&k=3hP694m

Stalin glued to me all day
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576917454&k=mn8dXqC

http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576919708&k=pGbhXmk

The valiant effort by the boys to protect the KOM
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576919708&k=pGbhXmk

JPs well timed attack
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576922801&k=M9Dvshz

Moving up to counter it as it appeared to be coming back
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576924591&k=8fXbVCP

The counter
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576910850&k=2gS6FKT

The winning break that coalesced out of that move
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576928384&k=ws8BK2r

The lead out for Rene 
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576935198&k=spq9RGT

The final sprint (dying in the background after the lead out, just making sure the field wasn't coming as I limped in for 7th)
http://www.oneimagingphotography.com/2013RaceSeasonSeason/LucarelliCastaldiCupRace615/Pro123-LucarelliCastaldiRace/30002851_cTQV5M#!i=2576935201&k=wwx6d9F

Its funny how expectations can change - If you had told me at the start of this year I'd have two Top 10s in the first three L&C cup races and wear the KOM dots I'd have been giddy. Now I'm like "dang it, Rene and I should really be doing better than 6 and 7 out of a 7 man break, and I should really have handled the second KOM better."

Such is life...awesome times, AWESOME team racing. 
By the way, some of you newer guys who are following Jules's sage advice on attacking and countering - the above is a textbook illustration.

I'm not sure I've ever been involved in a race where we were better as a unit. JPs attack was perfect. While he didn't make the winning break, the winning break that had two Kissenas in it happened, quite literally, because of his move. 

Also, as Jules was saying, I attacked before JP got brought back. Going up the hill it was closing down. I went, the fact that I had the fancy pants polka dot kit on drew some fast guys out, and we blew by JP and his companions. That was the race. 

Then, in the break, we had the luxury of being the only team with two guys, so we were able to have Rene sit on more, and me do all the work so he could save for the sprint. It didn't work out the way we wanted, but that happens, and hey, the competition was fierce. The point is that we executed and I can't really say we should have done much differently.