And here I thought it was all that gooey L&B's pizza that was making me fat. But PVC plastic? WTF?

http://m.fastcoexist.com/?m=fastcoexist/node/1681211&url=http://www.fastcoexist.com/1681211/pvc-plastic-is-why-youre-fat?utm_source=twitter

I believe it Ros after I gave up PVC I just watched the weight fall off. 

@mperlberg good work trending down on your weight. Better to go slow and acclimate to a new eating pattern and/or quanity, type, etc.

For your post-workout feasts, you might lookup Carb Backloading to make sure you are doing these re-feeds properly with appropriate foods. The take away message is this "... eating junk replenishes your glycogen stores without interfering with your nocturnal hGH cycle."

http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/2164/carb-back-loading-7-reasons-you-need-junk-carbs-at-nigh/

 

 

 

What sort of weight loss goal should a newbie set for themselves? Is the ideal criteria just that if you can pinch something, it should go?  When I started riding in June I weighed about 174-177. I'm down to about 159-160 and have a few spots where I'm still carrying a touch extra. I'm 6'0" w a medium light frame. Does age have any bearing?

Age doesn't.  But lifestyle and work do.

mugwump said:

weight without extraordinary means.  Also, if you can maintain it without getting sick.    

Therein lies the rub...

Mug- I think 160 or even a little under is doable. Thanks

Wanna share some things I found helpful for myself.
Not eating past 9pm
drinking half a liter of water when waking up.
whey protein shakes before and after gym workout or even when not working out help cut the hunger a little.
Doing core workouts on a yoga mat a few times a week is really good also for keeping abdominal fat low.
still trying to break 140lbs as a steady weight but I have faith...

oh also, when snacking, tea is a great complement.

Rick Perner said:

 I've found that during a 6-7 hour work day my heart rate is around 70% for most of my day. I don't remember the calorie counts but they were pretty high too.

Rick what the fuck are you taking on those walks?  Secretariat?

Mark- there's a stress element in there too. I've logistically overextended myself through volume and geography with a route of 13 walks that's virtually impossible to complete on schedule. I do my best and come pretty close to pulling it off while still doing my job well and still providing loving care to the dogs I walk. But I'm always acutely aware that I'm behind or potentially running late for the next dog. So tag on probably 10-20 bpm for that.

I think you might need to recalibrate bro.

"Walking? We talking about Walking?" - Alan Iverson

Number goals...without context...can be a dangerous thing. Especially when we are talking athletes who not too infrequently can flirt with, or have full-blown relationships with disordered eating.

In this world of power-to-weight ratios, it's way too easy to get unhealthy about your food and exercise habits in efforts to attain something totally unrealistic. Don't think for a second because you hear the 6-foot something Andy Shleck is 109lbs (or whatever obscene number is being tossed out there these days) that that is something that is a) real or b) appropriate for you.

JP and I, for example are the same height. But we will NEVER weigh the same and we never should. We have different body types. We have different styles of riding, different strengths. I know, from past experience, when I was racing in Belgium and doing nothing but riding, eating, sleeping, racing, what is theoretically possible for Marc of 12 years ago. And that helps provide me some context when I think about my own weight loss goals.

But I get nervous when new racers, who would be better served by learning the ins-and-outs of bicycle racing and training, are already thinking about weight loss. I GUARANTEE you, you will get your ass kicked by someone who is fatter, slower and has a lower power-weight ratio many times this season and beyond.

I'm not saying don't think about healthy eating habits and strategies, and it's probably a good idea to not walk away from the dinner table feeling like your stomach is going to explode, but for Rick and other newer racers...you've got much more important things to think about this year and beyond.

Thanks Marc, I'm having an extra chocolate muffin this morning thanks to you

Mikes advice is Gold.
 Take advantage of the expedited recovery capabilities these transporters provide post exercise. It makes a meaningful difference in recovery time. And, this "snack" helps keep you from being famished prior lunch or dinner."

In a rare twist, I concur completely with Marc here.  In fact, I have felt that this thread has been a bit off the mark for a while.  Not sure I'd go so far as to label it 'irresponsible' but I have a feeling that it is perhaps heading in that sort of direction.  I know that this was first started as a 'how to get back in shape after the off season' sort of thing but it looks to be a little 'pro' now, no?

Adam,

I think we can all sort of suggest your disclaimer is standard operating procedure here, unless somebody states in their professional opinion on some topic they may have some claim to professional standing in.

Nobody here wants to know how digital advertising is priced, so all my opinions expressed here are of entirely amateur nature.

I find this latest line of conversation interesting. This thread and some people's goals of certain weights I always found interesting. I think it is entirely reasonable and laudable for someone who is overweight to have a weight loss goal. I'm actually shocked that Jeff ever weighed 230 based on how I've come to know him. If he set weight loss goals, and I assume he did, good for him. His diligence and effort paid off. Josh is another person whose weight loss goals and accomplishments is a great achievement.

I think the area where I (and perhaps Marc, Mike & Adam) suggest caution is taking the weight loss target and goals to an extreme. I had no weight loss goals for last season, it was all a question of fitness. In the end, I lost weight and reached a number (147) I haven't seen since my early high school years (a very long time ago). I know that if I train well, I'll drop weight, but more importantly my fitness will improve. I don't stop eating and in fact my appetite and metabolism only increases from all the training. I enjoy eating too much to stop and it is quite necessary to perform well. At this level of competition, and considering my "fighting weight" (147-150), I'd much rather increase my power than drop weight to improve power to weight ratios if that were even a concern of mine. I could probably go lower than 147 if I tried, but I found that even at that weight, I was more susceptible to colds and other ailments that I may not get if I weighed more. I say train hard and eat healthy. If you want to be scientific about it, keep track of your calorie expenditures and intake and adjust as needed to stay in relative balance.

I know I will drop some weight once I start training again and I stop eating all the ice cream I've been eating. But has anyone had Steve's Ice Cream? That is hard to stop. I highly recommend Coffee & Donuts, Bourbon vanilla, and Mexican Chili Chocolate.

Salted carmel!!!!

Whatever, you guys work it out. I've got to leave for an appointment to have all my non vital organs removed and some "treatments for health" from a doctor whose rhymes with "Amari"

Adam said:

In a rare twist, I concur completely with Marc here.  In fact, I have felt that this thread has been a bit off the mark for a while.  Not sure I'd go so far as to label it 'irresponsible' but I have a feeling that it is perhaps heading in that sort of direction.  I know that this was first started as a 'how to get back in shape after the off season' sort of thing but it looks to be a little 'pro' now, no?

In my opinion, this thread isn't really what Kissena is about (probably more of Mengoni/BH Comedy sort of thing), if you get my meaning.  

Also, 90% of the races completed by club members will be in Prospect, Central or Floyd Bennet.  Not a single hill in any of them.

Disclaimer/Waiver: This is my opinion.  I am neither a clinician, dietician, physiotherapist, cycling (or other sports) coach nor professional cyclist.

That is all.

Mike I totally disagree. Diametrically opposite. Racing weight and bicycle weight should never be equated. Once you become a Master's Racer you'll learn.

Now excuse me while I eat a double helping of Chicken Parm, while shopping on Competitive Cyclist for a new set of titanium brake pad holder screws (only 1.1 grams--a 0.0023 gram savings over alu--but $25 apiece).

I think an important distinction to make with all of this stuff is goals/motivation.  Are you trying to lose weight because you're trying to make very specific improvments to your weight-to-power ratio as a cyclist or are you losing weight because you want to be generally healthier and sexier?  It might be both, but I think we as cyclists have a tendency to frame our weight-loss goals in cycling terms even if we might end up sacrificing power (see Marc and Mike's posts), because we don't want to seem neurotic, or vain, or whatever.

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to lose weight, and nobody should be shamed for wanting to do so.  I do think, though, that we should be honest with ourselves about why we want to lose weight and set healthy goals accordingly.

^that's what I'm talking about!!!

I'm going to my cousin's wedding in the south of France this summer, where I'll be hanging out in my trunks with all of my genetically Olympian French family.  I'm already gonna be self-conscious about my shaved legs and horrible cyclist's tan - I don't want a winter paunch on top of that.

HONESTY

Tito,

lol JP how did you know about my Speedo stash?