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crazy.
crazy stupid.
Crazy and Sad , I like the authors perspective 
It only gets crazier the deeper you read it.
Will this change local racing? 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/prescription-steroids-get-a-quiet-exemption-1461365753
I like the note that USAC is not broadcasting it, but now is in one of the country's leading newspaper.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I hope this doesn't have a major effect, as I would guess, most Masters or Amateurs that would use it but don't need it, are probably on it already, regardless of any rules.

This article makes me sad for racing. USAC/USADA is just saying ok to doping, because it realizes it doesn't want to fight all of the arbitration cases that will come from their rules.

What have we come to that it is ok to dope because you're not winning? this is a sad state of affairs.
"An athlete must prove to USADA that he or she is unlikely to actually win one of these amateur races"

I'm fine with it.
So as long as you only dope to make top 10, but not win it's OK in your book?

I believe they call that the Ullrich defense.
In the spirit of not letting anything go....ever...so I can slap a testosterone patch on right in front of a race promoter....but I can't enter a race after a promoter posts an incorrect start time???  

So what exactly happens when "therapeutic use" morphs into "performance enhancing use" and some old cocker wins one of these races???  David Anthony anyone???

I got the first half of this missive covered
"An athlete must prove to USADA that he or she is unlikely to actually win one of these amateur races, in addition to proving a medical need for an illicit chemical."
but I can't enter a race after a promoter posts an incorrect start time???  

I agree it sucked. But you couldn't enter a race after it had started.

Everyone doing the same distance is, well, basic.

when "therapeutic use" morphs into "performance enhancing use" and some old cocker wins one of these races??? 

Guessing TUE gets removed

I promised Charlie I would ride an extra lap after the race...
I just got a LinkedIn invitation from this guy, presumably because I mentioned cycling in my hobbies. Sure, I'll add the CEO of "Innovative Men's Clinic" (and former Poli-Sci major) to my network. Why not?
I just got a LinkedIn invitation from this guy, presumably because I mentioned cycling in my hobbies. Sure, I'll add the CEO of "Innovative Men's Clinic" (and former Poli-Sci major) to my network. Why not?
Do us all a favor and see if he'll link up with Travis Tygart.  
So as long as you only dope to make top 10, but not win it's OK in your book?

I believe they call that the Ullrich defense.
I've raced in plenty of fields where 95% of the participants are there to... participate. None have any chance of effecting the race or winning (other than crashing people out inadvertently)

In the spirit of sportsmanship if Ernest Gagnon wants a TUE for anything I'm happy to oblige.

If some joker *really* wants a TUE to dope and win... he doesn't need a TUE - he can just dope and win. Nobody is testing anything, ever.
Femke Van den Driessche is getting sued by Wilier for having a motor in her bike - but there's a shop in the Netherlands that sells them that way... pedal assist anyone?
http://pedalmag.com/wilier-triestina-to-sue-femke-van-den-driessche-over-bike-with-electric-motor-at-cx-worlds/
https://rouleur.cc/journal/bicycles/femke-van-den-driessche-motor-doping



jfogden said:
Femke Van den Driessche is getting sued by Wilier for having a motor in her bike - but there's a shop in the Netherlands that sells them that way... pedal assist anyone?
http://pedalmag.com/wilier-triestina-to-sue-femke-van-den-driessche-over-bike-with-electric-motor-at-cx-worlds/
https://rouleur.cc/journal/bicycles/femke-van-den-driessche-motor-doping



That girl is getting hung out to DRY. It's an utter disgrace.
Jules said:
That girl is getting hung out to DRY. It's an utter disgrace.
She's the fall girl for something seriously fishy in the Low Countries. Not to belittle her, but a 19YO is not the mastermind of a scheme to put motors in bicycles to compete at the top level of the sport. This is far bigger than just her, but they're letting her take the entire blame for their actions.
How many victories have been mechanically aided over the years???  Never know...but I'm betting there were plenty...especially in the years when nobody knew what was up.  I propose there has been somebody out there who has been very quietly installing motors in the bikes of top pro's for years.  Why top pros & why the small customer base?  2 reasons, money & exclusivity.   Top pros can afford to pay.   Exclusivity ensures that 1. the guy with the motor wins 2. the secret remains secret.
Armstrong paid for an exclusive with Ferrari....You think if Ulrich had access to Ferrari all those years he finished 2nd he wouldn't have won?  The efficacy of any competitive advantage is hindered when your competition has access to the same advantage.
Motor assistance has likely been around for a long...loooong time

Yacks that image of a steam compressor inches from your family jewels is courting disaster.
I think we need a Motorized Doping thread.

le sigh.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/24/opinion/sunday/men-testosterone-hormones.html?_r=0

"The results are disturbing. Men with boosted testosterone significantly overpriced assets compared with men who got the placebo, and they were slower to incorporate data about falling values into their trading decisions. In other words, they created a trading bubble that was slow to pop. (Fortunately, Dr. Nadler didn’t have these men participate in a real stock market, out of concern for what a single dose of this drug could do.)"

wonder if we're seeing the effects elsewhere.
mugwump said:

wonder if we're seeing the effects elsewhere.
Policing? 
Help stop local dopers from taking prize money when they return to small races - racers where there is ZERO change they'll ever be tested. Not to mention the well documented lifetime benefits of doping...

Sign and share the bo-jangles out of this petition!

https://www.change.org/p/lifetime-bans-from-small-prizes-under-100/
GFNY caught another.

https://gfny.com/positive-doping-control-at-gfny-nyc-epo/
mugwump said:
There you go. Sign & share baby - gotta make this thing go viral.
Not exactly "local" but... http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/one-20-amateur-racers-admit-doping-328512#WIAs6gwTJJaHCJRt.01
Jules said:
lol the pictures in this article...
the guy is all kitted up holding a syringe
someone needs to Photoshop a Cheshire cat grin on this one


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/former-rock-racing-rider-leogrande-banned-for-second-doping-case/
twoyacks said:
"found positive for the anti-estrogen drug raloxifene, four Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators (SARM), ostarine, RAD140, LGD4033 and andarine, ibutamoren (a growth hormone-like factor), and GW1516 sulfone (the 'exercise in a pill' drug)."

WTF that's just disgusting, putting all that stuff in your body?